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The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America * 6
    #22366984 - 10/12/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Indigenous Peoples' Day

The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America first arose in 1977 from the International Conference on Discrimination Against Indigenous Populations in the Americas, sponsored by the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland. At the First Continental Conference on 500 Years of Indian Resistance in Quito, Ecuador, in July 1990, representatives of Indian groups throughout the Americas agreed that they would mark 1992, the 500th anniversary of the first of the voyages of Christopher Columbus, as a day to promote "continental unity" and "liberation."

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In 1992, the group convinced the city council of Berkeley, California, to declare October 12, a "Day of Solidarity with Indigenous People", and 1992 the "Year of Indigenous People", and to implement related programs in schools, libraries, and museums. The city symbolically renamed Columbus Day to "Indigenous Peoples' Day" beginning in 1992 to protest the historical conquest of North America by Europeans, and to call attention to the demise of Native American people and culture through disease, warfare, massacre, and forced assimilation. Performances were scheduled that day for Get Lost (Again) Columbus, an opera by a Native-American composer. Berkeley has celebrated Indigenous Peoples' Day ever since. Beginning in 1993, Berkeley has held an annual pow wow and festival on the day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Peoples'_Day






What do you think of the idea of re-remembering Christopher's brutal dismembering of Native American people? Is the attempt to disempower the memory of Columbus relatable to the removal of the Confederate flag from institution?


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16992280 - another thread on topic


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: WScott] * 1
    #22366995 - 10/12/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: WScott] * 1
    #22367046 - 10/12/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Being Native American I'm all for it. Fuck that piece of shit.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Soluminia]
    #22367053 - 10/12/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You don't have to be NA to be all for the change. There's no Nixon day either.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22367090 - 10/12/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

screw columbus. the vikings were here before him anyway, and before that the indigenous people whose ancestors crossed over through alaska of course.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: 404]
    #22367158 - 10/12/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Columbusing - when you declare to have discovered something that was already known to be a thing.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22367242 - 10/12/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So the acknowledgement and celebration of conquest isn't politically correct today?  :facepalm:


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: qman]
    #22367256 - 10/12/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Theres no Hitler day in Germany either.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22367268 - 10/12/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

When are these people going to shame the US for winning WW2?  I mean they had to kill millions to win, fucking salvages.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: WScott]
    #22367300 - 10/12/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

From what I've heard about Columbus' conquest, it doesn't sound like anything worthy of celebration.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22367315 - 10/12/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

qman, I linked an informative brief web comic by The Oatmeal. Reads up on that.

Columbus is far from a rolemodel, he was a mass murderer and slaver.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Soluminia]
    #22367357 - 10/12/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Being Native American I'm all for it. Fuck that piece of shit.





and this does not stick in your craw? a single day to make peace with the indians

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"Day of Solidarity with Indigenous People"




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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22367360 - 10/12/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and this does not stick in your craw? a single day to make peace with the indians





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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22367409 - 10/12/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nation Native Day.

I fully support that.

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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Patlal]
    #22367444 - 10/12/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I see no problem with designating a day like that. OTOH, you can't blame Columbus for everything that happened afterward.

BTW, his real name was cristobal colon which was "translated" into christopher Columbus. Who ever heard of a Spaniard named Christopher?


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22367453 - 10/12/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Stonehenge, Columbus is PERSONALLY responsible for the death, enslavement and maiming of several hundred native americans.

PERSONALLY.

Read that web comic I linked.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22367458 - 10/12/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman, I linked an informative brief web comic by The Oatmeal. Reads up on that.

Columbus is far from a rolemodel, he was a mass murderer and slaver.



Things were alot different back then i mean colombus was a real go getter he helped europeans get a strong foothold in the americas by doing what needed to be done. Go back and read some of the shit that actually happened n ull have a much deeper understanding for why he did what he did. colomus was atually a really great man. He was one of mankinds greatest expolorers an extremely brave and skilled sailor . He was extremely loyal to his people and family. he was actually pretty nice to the natives that didnt try to cut his head off. Hes a very important part of human history and deserves to be remembered.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22367462 - 10/12/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I see no problem with designating a day like that. OTOH, you can't blame Columbus for everything that happened afterward.

BTW, his real name was cristobal colon which was "translated" into christopher Columbus. Who ever heard of a Spaniard named Christopher?



how do u know he was spanish?


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22367502 - 10/12/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman, I linked an informative brief web comic by The Oatmeal. Reads up on that.

Columbus is far from a rolemodel, he was a mass murderer and slaver.




It's a celebration of conquest and a new beginning, not the scrutiny of how it was accomplished. 

It's easy to sit here in 2015 and judge history, taking over a occupied territory is never pretty.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: qman]
    #22367519 - 10/12/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Umm I wonder.. Why not consider the native Americans an equal trading partner, recognizing their right to their homeland and setting up diplomatic ties?

You're saying "robbing a people of their land is never pretty" You. Don't. Have. To.

If I visit people in their home I dont enslave and kill them. It doesnt occur to me.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22367545 - 10/12/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Didn't the dutch do a lot of enslaving and conquesting? Hmmmmm?

If the natives here had attacked the settlers from the beginning they could have kept them away for a long time. Simply driving away the game and destroying their crops at night will do the job. Plus shooting arrows at hunting parties, a few flaming arrows shot at the huts at night, etc.

The natives were too divided to present a united front against the invaders. Sort of like the situation today. :wink:


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22367627 - 10/12/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Theres no Hitler day in Germany either.




There would be if Hitler won the war instead of having his nation completely destroyed.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Supachopped719]
    #22367845 - 10/12/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

One of the many things Columbus brought back with him was the first documented case of syphilis in Europe.

If that doesn't scream "Hey I just raped countless women!"

I don't know what does.

A true American hero.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #22367854 - 10/12/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good old cultural exchange


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: WScott]
    #22368330 - 10/12/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't care which holiday is which holiday; if we're trying to make reparations it could be called "The Natives Have The Biggest Dicks Day" for all I care, I just need to know if stores are going to be open or closed.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: abltsandwich]
    #22368424 - 10/12/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: SARAtonin]
    #22368431 - 10/12/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck that shit.

Columbus Day is about eating lasagna, eggplant parmigiana, chicken parmigiana, veal parmigiana, breaded and fried steak, Utica Greens, and getting drunk.

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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22368432 - 10/12/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Oatmeal sums up rather well why Columbus really aught not be celebrated





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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Asante]
    #22369626 - 10/12/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Theres no Hitler day in Germany either.




That is because he lost.  If he won, there would be.  And if the American Indians were able to repel the European invaders into the sea they would celebrate that too. 

I'm not justifying Columbus day though, its disgusting as most remembrances are.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: DieCommie]
    #22369692 - 10/12/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Its a big holiday in spain and everyone gets the day off.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22369716 - 10/12/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Its a big holiday in spain and everyone gets the day off.



Columbus Day or hitler day?


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Supachopped719]
    #22369809 - 10/12/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Its a big holiday in spain and everyone gets the day off.



Columbus Day or hitler day?




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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #22371830 - 10/13/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Celebrating conquest without scrutiny is absolutely a bad idea. It's unacceptable, even if it happened five hundred years ago.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: qman]
    #22371847 - 10/13/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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When are these people going to shame the US for winning WW2?  I mean they had to kill millions to win, fucking salvages.





Jesus dude get a fucking passport half the world hates you for dropping two atom bombs and fucking up the world forever.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: WScott]
    #22371884 - 10/13/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Obviously you should not celebrate Columbus day. Definitely needs to be changed to something else.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22372115 - 10/13/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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When are these people going to shame the US for winning WW2?  I mean they had to kill millions to win, fucking salvages.





Jesus dude get a fucking passport half the world hates you for dropping two atom bombs and fucking up the world forever.



ur welcome jackass. we gave your country a bunch of nukes as well and you guys happily accepted. would you rather have had russia or germany invent the bomb first? youra fucking idiot and should be ashamed of yourself.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22372192 - 10/13/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
When are these people going to shame the US for winning WW2?  I mean they had to kill millions to win, fucking salvages.





Jesus dude get a fucking passport half the world hates you for dropping two atom bombs and fucking up the world forever.




People are usually jealous of the winners, war is no exception.


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    #22372217 - 10/13/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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When are these people going to shame the US for winning WW2?  I mean they had to kill millions to win, fucking salvages.





Jesus dude get a fucking passport half the world hates you for dropping two atom bombs and fucking up the world forever.





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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: WScott]
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    #22372821 - 10/13/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Before Columbus: How Africans Brought Civilization to America




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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: qman]
    #22373196 - 10/13/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck Columbus and his stupid boats. Dutch Empire for ever, Michiel de Ruyterdag to replace Columbus day worldwide!

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    #22373215 - 10/13/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

tl;dr


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: WScott]
    #22373262 - 10/13/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I want Viking Day damnit!


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: lowbrow]
    #22373273 - 10/13/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Every day is Scot's Day here! :scottish:


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: qman]
    #22373412 - 10/13/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I wouldn't put much stock into anything written by Garikai Chengu.  He's a race baiting hater.




So you're saying none of that ever happened because you don't like the author of the article?


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Ran-D]
    #22373493 - 10/13/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I wouldn't put much stock into anything written by Garikai Chengu.  He's a race baiting hater.




So you're saying none of that ever happened because you don't like the author of the article?




He's full of shit and I don't think anyone falls for his warped view of history.

"Americans had its foundation built by Africans...Africans helped civilize America well before Europeans "discovered" America"

:huxleyfacepalm:    This guy is delusional.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: qman]
    #22373505 - 10/13/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Aren't we all some kind of weird African ape anyway, Qman?


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22373516 - 10/13/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Aren't we all some kind of weird African ape anyway, Qman?




We all share a common ancestor. :cookiemonster:


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    #22373521 - 10/13/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Aren't we all some kind of weird African ape anyway, Qman?




We all share a common ancestor. :cookiemonster:




That whore.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: qman]
    #22373538 - 10/13/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You can't deny the proof that Africans came to the Americas thousands of years before Columbus.


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Re: The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America [Re: Ran-D]
    #22373551 - 10/13/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Did they?


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