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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: psi]
    #22371347 - 10/12/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i have read the canadian gun laws.

they are worse than california, but that would be the closest i know of..

and yeah, i agree with you on that. 

i just dont know why canada seemingly feels so damned strongly about shit they know nothing about.

guns will always be a hot button for conversation in america.

and i will always own guns and will continually take my friends out camping, go shoot exploding targets and will keep having a good time with them.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: psi] * 1
    #22371382 - 10/12/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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psi said:
I wouldn't consider myself anti-gun but I don't particularly want one myself





the anti gunners arent actually anti gun either because they arent doing anything
to remove the guns from the hands of criminals, only from law abiding citizens
under the guise of 'common sense gun laws'. let's say koods got his way and guns
were outlawed, who would come for the guns? people with guns called the police,
who would protect the koods' of the nation, those same people with guns, who would
enforce the laws, those same people with guns. who would protect the country,
people with guns. who would protect his lord and savior the almighty obama, more
people with guns.

so there arent any anti gun advocates, they only want the government to have guns
and the big question is why should the government be the only ones with guns, I
mean I'm sure if we look far enough back in history we can find a government that
didnt impose high taxes, abuse and enslave it's people or even begin murdering
those that disagreed with their political ideology... I mean koods is way the
fuck left leaning, he opposes free speech for those that disagree with him  and
very adamant that those people specifically be disarmed while supporting the rise
of the criminal element in society


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Gorlax]
    #22371448 - 10/13/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Here's the most conservative Prime Minister we've had in Australia for 50 years. He brought in gun control and we haven't had a mass shooting for nearly 20 years.






Kennesaw Georgia passed a law almost 30 years ago that required the head of
household of every home to own a gun, they've had only 1 murder in that 30
years

http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/

not to mention this

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/10/police-praise-concealed-permit-holder-stopping-waffle-house-robbery/



Kennesaw Georgia has a population of less than 30,000. My hometown is bigger and there's not been a single murder in my 40 years. Small towns are like that.

You shouldn't have bothered mentioning your second point. Since you did, there's also the fucking idiot woman who pulled out her gun and shot at the Home Depot shoplifter in a crowded parking lot in Detroit last week. What if that fucking idiot had killed a child, or a parent?

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Yeah I've noticed that the Canadian and Australian members are more pissed about gun control then american liberals. I don't really get it. Could be a jealously thing or something considering we still have the strongest economy in the world and have to support them constantly.:fonda:



We're not jealous, we're gobsmacked at your country's ongoing insanity.

The US is a great country in many ways. However, a population of 300 million means it is a statistical truth that you have over 100 million people of below-average intelligence. From the outside, you pander to stupid, ignorant, bible-bashers at the expense of logic.

The anti-gun controllers argue, either ignorantly or disingenuously, that 'the right to bear arms' written in the Second Ammendment back when 'arms' meant 'musket', gives anyone and everyone the right to possess military-scale weapons. They ignore the first part of the phrase regarding the 'well regulated militia'. Congrats though, you've successfully bullied the judiciary and executive branches into seeing it your way. Good for you, go buy an AK-47 for 'protection'.

The point most of us onlookers mystified and saddened by your continuing, frequent, awful, almost totally preventable mass murders realise that you don't seem to, is you don't need an assault rifle if you don't intend to assault anyone with it. Assault rifles are designed to shoot lots of people, very quickly - and guess what? That's what happens!



By the way, you don't have the strongest economy in the world. Your nation is trillions in debt. It's the largest economy, but only recently you had to print extra money because you were so broke. China owns so much US debt and bonds it could bankrupt you at any time.

You don't support my country at all, other than a military alliance that has resulted in us helping you far more than the other way around.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: spookman]
    #22371479 - 10/13/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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spookman said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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spookman said:

Here's the most conservative Prime Minister we've had in Australia for 50 years. He brought in gun control and we haven't had a mass shooting for nearly 20 years.






Kennesaw Georgia passed a law almost 30 years ago that required the head of
household of every home to own a gun, they've had only 1 murder in that 30
years

http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/

not to mention this

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/10/police-praise-concealed-permit-holder-stopping-waffle-house-robbery/



Kennesaw Georgia has a population of less than 30,000. My hometown is bigger and there's not been a single murder in my 40 years. Small towns are like that.




30k isnt a big city but it's certainly no small town, it's a part of the metro
atlanta area and neighbors a city that has a growing crime problem, in fact,
they're at around 1/4 the national average on crime, 1/3 of the average for
georgia and less than half the crime rate for the county they're in. the really
amazing part, their crime rate has fallen in relationship to the population
growth, they were a small town of only 4500 people, the crime hasnt simply
dropped, it's dropped significantly, well, that's kind of a misstatement since
the numbers of violent crimes committed hasnt really increased while the
population has more than quintupled


what city did you say you lived in?

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You shouldn't have bothered mentioning your second point. Since you did, there's also the fucking idiot woman who pulled out her gun and shot at the Home Depot shoplifter in a crowded parking lot in Detroit last week. What if that fucking idiot had killed a child, or a parent?




so now that australians are disarmed, the crime problem is completely gone,
right. no murders, no armed robberies, no problems at all, no mass killings
such as a family murdered, several school children stabbed to death, no problem
with knife violence when they feel beer is the problem


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22371614 - 10/13/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Shiithead]
    #22372288 - 10/13/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

LOL at the canadians and australians crying over our guns.  Sorry you're all feeble and helpless :cookiemonster:


When WWIII starts you guys wont be crying anymore, at least Canada wont be.  Our guns are going to keep out a foreign invasion.

I need to clean my pistol grip pump and my AR :dancer:


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Herbologist]
    #22372399 - 10/13/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a proud gun owner and just wanting to be included in this thread.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: SARAtonin]
    #22372403 - 10/13/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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SARAtonin said:
I'm a proud gun owner and just wanting to be included in this thread.




Soon to be one too. Hunting season is opening soon, I just might get myself a rifle.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Patlal]
    #22372410 - 10/13/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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SARAtonin said:
I'm a proud gun owner and just wanting to be included in this thread.




Soon to be one too. Hunting season is opening soon, I just might get myself a rifle.





You better register that rifle and I better see all its paper work down to the nitty gritty.  I want full scale mental health evaluation as well.  Who was your mother?  Your father?

What kind of animals are you hunting?  Helpless ones?  Where do you plan to "hunt" and begin your mass killings to "feed" yourself?


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Patlal]
    #22372422 - 10/13/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't hunt nor will I even, but I love me some target practice! :grin:

(That doesn't mean I'm against people that do hunt, but poaching is fucked)

But I've been recently thinking about picking up a rifle aswell.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Herbologist]
    #22372437 - 10/13/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
You better register that rifle and I better see all its paper work down to the nitty gritty. 




You're not seeing shit. This confidential info

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Herbologist said:
I want full scale mental health evaluation as well. 




Also confidential, but I have several mental health issues if it makes you happy

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Herbologist said:
What kind of animals are you hunting?  Helpless ones?  Where do you plan to "hunt" and begin your mass killings to "feed" yourself?




Deer, partridges, hare. Game animals.

And yes of course it's to feed myself. Catching a deer equals like 80 pounds of meat at roughly 2 a pound after the butchering. No better meat deals out there.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Herbologist]
    #22372457 - 10/13/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
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Patlal said:
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SARAtonin said:
I'm a proud gun owner and just wanting to be included in this thread.




Soon to be one too. Hunting season is opening soon, I just might get myself a rifle.





You better register that rifle and I better see all its paper work down to the nitty gritty.  I want full scale mental health evaluation as well.  Who was your mother?  Your father?

What kind of animals are you hunting?  Helpless ones?  Where do you plan to "hunt" and begin your mass killings to "feed" yourself?





dont forget, he needs to provide pictures of it and the location it wll be in the
safe he needs to buy as well as the combination to the safe and a copy of the
keys to any lock standing between the government and his gun


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Herbologist]
    #22372562 - 10/13/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
LOL at the canadians and australians crying over our guns.  Sorry you're all feeble and helpless :cookiemonster:




Personally I'm not bothered in the least by how things are done in your country (with respect to guns or anything else) as I don't live there and am not subject to it. I have no objection to American gun laws, and don't think that making them more restrictive would achieve anything useful (due to both cultural and logistic factors.) I do think it's a good thing that handguns are in fairly limited supply here, but I don't think similar laws would work in the US because there are already mass numbers of them, plus legal and cultural factors making the scenario very unlikely in the first place.

It's more just that American gun culture and the seeming paranoia that's sometimes associated with some parts of it (of criminals, foreign or domestic governments etc.) seems odd from the outside looking in. (Not saying there necessarily isn't a good reason to be more concerned about violent crime than here though.) Can't count the number of times online that I've read someone's elaborate fantasy of someday getting to legally shoot someone in self-defense either. Not saying that stuff is remotely representative of all gun owners, but it doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a fringe thing as it would be here. It all seems very weird to me as an outsider, but again, I don't particularly give a fuck as it doesn't concern me.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: SARAtonin]
    #22372724 - 10/13/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

SARAtonin said:
I'm a proud gun owner and just wanting to be included in this thread.




Soon to be one too. Hunting season is opening soon, I just might get myself a rifle.



Quote:

SARAtonin said:
I don't hunt nor will I even, but I love me some target practice! :grin:

(That doesn't mean I'm against people that do hunt, but poaching is fucked)

But I've been recently thinking about picking up a rifle aswell.





I would suggest an AR-15. If you wanted to use it for hunting you'd have to pick yourself up a 5 round magazine. At least here in Colorado you can't use a rifle with more than 5 rounds at a time.

Also if you want to purchase a high cap magazine like a 30 round magazine you have to ask for a 30 round magazine parts kit. This is only for states that have a ban on high cap mags. You can still get around it though by asking for parts kits.

Also here is some good sites to get ammo!

http://gunbot.net/

http://ammoseek.com/

And if you decide to get an ar, make sure it is chambered for 5.56x45mm. That way you can shoot .223 Rem through it. 223 is much cheaper ammo. But if you are gonna be hunting large game, I suggest a .308 and/or 454 Casull.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: psi]
    #22372778 - 10/13/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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psi said:
Quote:

Herbologist said:
LOL at the canadians and australians crying over our guns.  Sorry you're all feeble and helpless :cookiemonster:




Personally I'm not bothered in the least by how things are done in your country (with respect to guns or anything else) as I don't live there and am not subject to it. I have no objection to American gun laws, and don't think that making them more restrictive would achieve anything useful (due to both cultural and logistic factors.) I do think it's a good thing that handguns are in fairly limited supply here, but I don't think similar laws would work in the US because there are already mass numbers of them, plus legal and cultural factors making the scenario very unlikely in the first place.

It's more just that American gun culture and the seeming paranoia that's sometimes associated with some parts of it (of criminals, foreign or domestic governments etc.) seems odd from the outside looking in. (Not saying there necessarily isn't a good reason to be more concerned about violent crime than here though.) Can't count the number of times online that I've read someone's elaborate fantasy of someday getting to legally shoot someone in self-defense either. Not saying that stuff is remotely representative of all gun owners, but it doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a fringe thing as it would be here. It all seems very weird to me as an outsider, but again, I don't particularly give a fuck as it doesn't concern me.




I'll add to that.

1) As a neighbor, I wish the US the best

Then again, I'm not gonna go out of my way other than argue on a forum over guns. It's your problem not mine. Tens of thousands of lives could be save by slowly phasing out handguns. Keep the rifles. Keep the AR15s. The problem I have is with handguns because they are concealable and too damm easy to use. You don't even need the courage to walk up to somebody, you can just walk face to face with the guy and 10 feet away pull out a gun and put a few pounds of pressure on the trigger using only your index finger and the guy is dead... Too damn easy. Of course there are cases of self defense, it's inevitable at this point that a good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a gun. But getting to say that sentence has a tremendous cost in lives.

Rifle and AR15. You see them coming. Sure you can hide it and pretend to limp or whatever, but generally its much harder to conceal.

And the paranoia..... Jesus christ you guys are paranoid... To a ridiculous extent too. That inherent fear of a home invader. The even bigger fear that he's ther to kill your family instead of just taking the TV. How many enemies do you have??? There's also that pride and bravado I don't get... "If someone walks into my house, I shoot him dead!!!". Why? Do you want to live with that your entire life? Do you want to go to therapy for weeks? Do you want that possible lawsuit that may or may not come with it? What's the reasoning behind that need to kill an invader? I mean, I get it if you'r a biker or are deep in gambling debts and shit, but other than that, it's ridiculous in my mind.

Also you can change the 2nd amendment. It's called an amendment. If the govenment was truly there to oppress you, your AR15s are not gonna pierce through a tank's armour. The range is not long enough to hit a bomber. You don't have any means of defense against carriers and destroyers, you have no military organization in place. Basically, you guys are fucked with or without guns at this point.

But here's something more encouraging. armed or not, an uprising of 3.5% of the general population can topple the most cruel and violent dictator. So in the US that would be roughly 10 to 12 million people. At that critical percentage, 3 things are getting more and more inevitable. 1) The dictator get assassinated. 2) The dicator loses control of the army. 3) The people stop fearing the oppression (a true militia is created and is big enough to take back the cities).

So yeah. No guns necessary


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Patlal]
    #22372813 - 10/13/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, wouldn't it be convenient to have a handgun that is concealed and ready accessible to level the playing field with a bad guy with the same thing??? Why do cops carry handguns??

It's because they are convenient and not burdensome.

You take away some guns, it leaves room to take away all guns.


And you can't change the 2nd amendment. Doesn't matter if you do it on paper. The founding father's put down what was in their heart of hearts on that paper and that dream is alive and well in a fraction of firearm owners. So you can't change the 2nd amendment because you might as well be taking out the life liberty and pursuit of happiness part in the declaration as well.

But at this point it's moot. Only because you are Canadian. And not to mention the only Canadian I ever knew was a fucking dick...



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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Shiithead]
    #22372826 - 10/13/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
And you can't change the 2nd amendment. Doesn't matter if you do it on paper. The founding father's put down what was in their heart of hearts on that paper and that dream is alive and well is a fraction of firearm owners. So you can't change the 2nd amendment because you might as well be taking out the life liberty and pursuit of happiness part in the declaration as well.
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Alright, technically you can't "change" the 2nd amendment. You can only create a new one that voids it... You scored there.

As for liberties and happiness and whatnot, you can also create an amendment that voids the 1st, 2nd 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.....


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Patlal]
    #22372836 - 10/13/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

Shiithead said:
And you can't change the 2nd amendment. Doesn't matter if you do it on paper. The founding father's put down what was in their heart of hearts on that paper and that dream is alive and well is a fraction of firearm owners. So you can't change the 2nd amendment because you might as well be taking out the life liberty and pursuit of happiness part in the declaration as well.
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Alright, technically you can't "change" the 2nd amendment. You can only create a new one that voids it... You scored there.

As for liberties and happiness and whatnot, you can also create an amendment that voids the 1st, 2nd 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.....




On paper you can but there will always be a desire for freedom so it doesn't matter what you do to the constitution. We already have what it takes to restore it.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Shiithead]
    #22372854 - 10/13/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
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Patlal said:
Quote:

Shiithead said:
And you can't change the 2nd amendment. Doesn't matter if you do it on paper. The founding father's put down what was in their heart of hearts on that paper and that dream is alive and well is a fraction of firearm owners. So you can't change the 2nd amendment because you might as well be taking out the life liberty and pursuit of happiness part in the declaration as well.
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Alright, technically you can't "change" the 2nd amendment. You can only create a new one that voids it... You scored there.

As for liberties and happiness and whatnot, you can also create an amendment that voids the 1st, 2nd 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.....




On paper you can but there will always be a desire for freedom so it doesn't matter what you do to the constitution. We already have what it takes to restore it.




Well, technically speaking, you elect congress. If a bill is presented and is voted in and 3/4s of the states agree with it, then the constitution officially has a new amendment no matter what it says


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Re: /Gun Control Debates. [Re: Patlal]
    #22372885 - 10/13/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Power of the people bro. Congress is there for an expression of that power. Very good and very bad things could happen if the people banded together. Even if it is just small groups. That is why we in America use congress and politicians to express the desires of millions in a civilized manner. When it comes down to it though, none of us need to be led. We are self-sufficient to govern ourselves. Even in a world of chaos.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
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