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Does anyone go insane on psychedelics?
    #22365674 - 10/11/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I read moonshoe's post the other day about mxe and mdma I think it was and it seemed like he was really pushing his mental boundaries. I am wondering how psychedelics (equally powerful chemicals) have not caused a lot of people to go full on batshit insane

I have been tripping on tryptamines weekly and did DMT nightly and sometimes GHB and weed on the weekends for a while over summer. I also spent the majority of my waking and sober hours applying for internships and programming and socializing at night. Noone in my family or friend circle seemed to comment that I was verging on insanity. I think high dose tryptamines weekly and daily DMT is pushing it. For about a week or two I was also dabbing high quality hash oil.

It seems that with equally powerful chemicals like MXE and MDMA, I would be pushing the threshold of batshit insane in these types of dosages. The things I have heard people on MXE definately makes me think that MXE is on the level of mind bending power of psychedelics. And not only do dissociatives mess people's brains up when used a lot, but also thier sanity. MDMA isn't as "powerful" in the mind bending sense, but still powerful regardless in its own euphoric and lovey nature

So my question is; where are all the batshit insane people? I have had bad trips, but my summer is/was the definition of drug abuse and I feel completely fine. Does anyone personally know someone who is insane from only psychedelics (and not any other drugs. Not even weed)? I hear a lot about people going insane, but I am yet to actually meet one. I feel like it is a urban myth or silly rumor? And if it isn't please share your stories!

Psychedelics have pushed me into ridiculous states of conciousness, and the fact something so powerful hasn't hurt me when abused has me confused


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22365698 - 10/11/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Psychedelics are generally pretty safe on the mind. But there is the occasional occurrence. It's not really so much that it makes someone insane, it's really that it triggers someones insanity. From what I've seen, weed is more likely to bring out mental disorders than psychedelics.

But last night/this morning I went pretty much full psychotic on mushrooms. Super overboard. I wasn't expecting them to be so strong. I became a blabbering laughing hysterical mess. I'd do something but couldn't understand why. Then laugh, and sing and form songs in seconds while walking or jittering. It was hella weird. Not bad, not good. Just a dip into insanity.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22365712 - 10/11/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

One of my larger shroom trips I felt like I was going crazy. I can't really explain it, kinda felt like a mixture of going hulk (marvel) and hulk hogan (ripping shirt off) but with my own skin. I just had this indescribable feeling that I was about to burst out of my own skin and got a maddening laugh and my thought process was all kinds of fucked up. I can't remember all the details, I know it started from an argument or some off the wall irritated comment my wife made at me, and the thought that I should kill myself kept repeating over and over in my head. I was stuck in that thought loop. I didn't WANT to kill myself, I just couldn't stop my brain from repeating it over and over.

Was a pretty terrible experience. I ended up texting a friend and telling him to come pick me up because I was tripping hard and I was freaking the fuck out and needed to get away and get to a new setting, which did the trick. As soon as we were a couple of blocks away, I fell back into a normal trip.

Psychedelics can be pretty fucking intense and the oddest things can set in motion some very dark times. It's best when people can recognize these things, even while being fucked out of their gourd, and remedy the situation. Someone less experienced (or read) than me, might've just had to ride that shit out for the next few hours.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22365735 - 10/11/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

But you see, I have heard of insane experiences/things on psyches and MXE/K. I have yet to hear of someone legitly feeling insane after a trip. No matter how dark a trip is, I am a little bummed the next day, but I have never had a trip made me feel depressed afterwards. Or insane afterwards. I return to waking reality in a straightfroward and clean manner. This is a little strange


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22365756 - 10/11/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If that's what you're after, then yes I've had that too. Search for a topic called enter the void (or something like that) by me.

I watched that movie while tripping and I was fucked for a pretty good while afterwards. Fucking worst mistake I'd ever made while tripping. I carried around a cloud of gloom and despair for weeks. Sober I couldn't shake the thought of why I should even keep going. That movie was just really dark, and made life seem pointless. That "realization" lasted for weeks after the trip had ended.


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Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22365766 - 10/11/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes I get very intense thought loops on acid that last for 6-7 hours and I can't for the life of me change it.

It can be pretty exhausting but I can't say I was driven insane.

I've taken doses where I thought to myself, "Boy, this could be really psychologically damaging if the trip went bad for some reason", which thankfully never happened.

I can't say I've gone insane on psychedelics (unless you consider seeing things that are not there to be insane).


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22365788 - 10/11/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Every trip I've taken has had moments of insanity. I just try not to make a big deal out of it and keep reassuring myself ill be fine in a couple hours


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22365808 - 10/11/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Actually now that I think about it, I think those two incidents were on the same trip.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22365810 - 10/11/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My last trip I couldn't even form sentences correctly without mumbling or bursting into laughter.

But generally psychedelics always ground me after the trip.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22365816 - 10/11/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There are indeed many people who take too many drugs and end up going insane.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Webster10]
    #22365848 - 10/11/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i've never felt insane...the only time i've felt psychological unease on shrooms is the first time erm... breaking down my barrier's fully. i felt emptiness, and from which i  felt despair...until i started to wake up and realize i was still alive, and that i wasn't just my head, but all the thoughts within it as well...then i never had an insane feeling again. stress, sure...insane, no.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22365914 - 10/11/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There are indeed many people who take too many drugs and end up going insane.



lol did you read my OP? I am talking about specifically only psychedelics
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If that's what you're after, then yes I've had that too. Search for a topic called enter the void (or something like that) by me.

I watched that movie while tripping and I was fucked for a pretty good while afterwards. Fucking worst mistake I'd ever made while tripping. I carried around a cloud of gloom and despair for weeks. Sober I couldn't shake the thought of why I should even keep going. That movie was just really dark, and made life seem pointless. That "realization" lasted for weeks after the trip had ended.



I guess this is sort of a good example


Its just that I have heard "So and so from high school went insane from psyches" and upon meeting them at a party after 2-3 years they seemed fine and it was just a rumor. This exact situation has happened multiple times and everytime its just ridiculously false

And @ everyone else: Ya I feel fucking insane as shit on pscyesh but rarely does that feeling last beyond just a few hours. NO MATTER WHAT I seem to feel fine the next day. Im wondering if anyone has tripped, come down completely and still felt insane. This assumes little other drugs and after a night of proper sleep


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22365920 - 10/11/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe a month ago now I smoked too much weed, had a introspective trip and ended up enrolling in college.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22365937 - 10/11/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's just the propaganda. Want proof? Do you live anywhere near or Texas or have in the past?

Did you hear about the guy who who was running from the cops with a sheet of acid in his sock and ended up frying his brain to the point he thinks he's a glass of orange juice and is afraid of being spilled?

There's even a graem for it here.

What isn't propaganda or bullshit, is that when all the right factors coalesce, it can leave a very lasting impression that is no in no way positive.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Oggy]
    #22365939 - 10/11/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have known a user of LSD and weed who was living in a psychiatric hospital until his death, which was caused by him eating poisonous mushrooms. I never knew him other than psychotic. Even if he sm,oked a few crumbs of weed you could see him deteriorate for a few hours.

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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Oggy]
    #22365943 - 10/11/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe a month ago now I smoked too much weed, had a introspective trip and ended up enrolling in college.



Well weed yeah I guess its a psychedelic. But I was discussing specifically about the seretenogic 5ht2 acting ones. Weed has made me very insane but I was very irresponsible about it


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22365948 - 10/11/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If that's what you're after, then yes I've had that too. Search for a topic called enter the void (or something like that) by me.

I watched that movie while tripping and I was fucked for a pretty good while afterwards. Fucking worst mistake I'd ever made while tripping. I carried around a cloud of gloom and despair for weeks. Sober I couldn't shake the thought of why I should even keep going. That movie was just really dark, and made life seem pointless. That "realization" lasted for weeks after the trip had ended.



I had a bad trip centered around the meaningless of life pretty recently. Also about how strange it is to be alive. Just looking through the eyes of this ragdoll. I'm still reeling from it


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
    #22365951 - 10/11/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That's just the propaganda. Want proof? Do you live anywhere near or Texas or have in the past?

Did you hear about the guy who who was running from the cops with a sheet of acid in his sock and ended up frying his brain to the point he thinks he's a glass of orange juice and is afraid of being spilled?

There's even a graem for it here.

What isn't propaganda or bullshit, is that when all the right factors coalesce, it can leave a very lasting impression that is no in no way positive.



I am yet to find any evidence online for this. I was looking this up the other day
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I have known a user of LSD and weed who was living in a psychiatric hospital until his death, which was caused by him eating poisonous mushrooms. I never knew him other than psychotic. Even if he sm,oked a few crumbs of weed you could see him deteriorate for a few hours.

Rest in Peace my friend, the Brotherhood lives on :heart:



and like I said, there are a lot of confounding factors here esp with the weed and such

Like I said, I am talking about psychedelics specifically tryptamines and phenylthalamines. And not a "a friend of a friend". I am just eager to meet one person or have someone post thier story about utter long lasting insanity. Going from healthy to batshit crazy purely from psyches


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #22365955 - 10/11/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If that's what you're after, then yes I've had that too. Search for a topic called enter the void (or something like that) by me.

I watched that movie while tripping and I was fucked for a pretty good while afterwards. Fucking worst mistake I'd ever made while tripping. I carried around a cloud of gloom and despair for weeks. Sober I couldn't shake the thought of why I should even keep going. That movie was just really dark, and made life seem pointless. That "realization" lasted for weeks after the trip had ended.



I had a bad trip centered around the meaningless of life pretty recently. Also about how strange it is to be alive. Just looking through the eyes of this ragdoll. I'm still reeling from it



So I guess theres my answer? would u say you feel insane?

Thats interestng...


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22365962 - 10/11/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dude that wasnt "a friend of a friend" we were close for years.

People who don't have a tendency to psychosis wont get prolonged psychotic breaks on psychedelics, they are most will be under the weather for a few hours or days.

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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22365966 - 10/11/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You won't find anything because it's just bullshit :lol:. It's one of those stupid propaganda rumors that are so widespread, it really doesn't matter where you live, eventually you're going to hear it.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22365970 - 10/11/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nope, people going psychotic from trips is a real thing. Its in the literature (LSD Psychotherapy by Stanislav Grof) and we had members go round the bend.
Syd Barrett anyone?


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
    #22365976 - 10/11/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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which was caused by him eating poisonous mushrooms.




Do you know what genera/species?


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
    #22365981 - 10/11/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not disputing you, I'm disputing the guy who thinks he's orange juice. It's total horse shit. :lol:

:dontspillme:

The graem is even called "dont spill me".


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22365993 - 10/11/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My guess would be Amanita spp. I think he wanted to die.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
    #22365995 - 10/11/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Its in the literature




lots of interesting articles and documentation here.

http://www.psychonautdocs.com/


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
    #22366002 - 10/11/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Nope, people going psychotic from trips is a real thing. Its in the literature (LSD Psychotherapy by Stanislav Grof) and we had members go round the bend.
Syd Barrett anyone?



Oh ya. All valid points


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22366681 - 10/12/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, a plethora of people have gone insane from using to many psychedelics.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: Webster10]
    #22366699 - 10/12/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I just don't get how people wig out from weed...


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22366770 - 10/12/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Honestly, when I smoke too much weed I actually go insane. The panic sets in quickly and I feel like I'm losing my mind.

There is a 'zone' though, smoking too much makes me crazy, too little also does the same, so I smoke enough to get me into that zone.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: BreathlessVision]
    #22366789 - 10/12/15 05:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy.


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Re: Does anyone go insane on psychedelics? [Re: tbarbeast]
    #22366812 - 10/12/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I just don't get how people wig out from weed...





When I have had to quit for extended periods of time, I tend to get anxiety the first week I start smoking again.  Usually after about 4-5 days of daily smoking my body mellows out and not longer get anxiety from it, kinda strange I know.


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