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Vehicles broken into last night
#22364626 - 10/11/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I woke up to finding out the cars without alarms in my driveway were broken into. My brother has a Jeep wrangler with a soft top and I guess he didn't lock it, wouldn't even matter given you can just unzip it anyways. They made off with his gun. Springfield XR 9mm. They also went through my old jeep cherokee which had absolutely nothing of value in it.
The Jeep cherokees that were left were newer ones with electronic alarms and door locks so they didn't bother with those. All the doors were left wide open and some things were left behind like his work chef knives. Expensive. I'm assuming they found the gun and thought holy shit we need to go. I live in a pretty well off area with virtually no crime but this is not the first time fuckers have went through our shit.
My initial suspicions are heroin addicts. That shit is pretty rampant here and we have had a recent flood of fucking beggers on the sides of our streets so no surprise they brought their fucking crime here.
What pisses me off the most is I was up all night last night. It had to of happened after 11pm and I was awake till 6am. I had no reason to go out front though. I was in my backyard with my feet in the pool for a little bit but obviously going through a car doesn't make much noise. Pretty bold move to steal from this house given almost every person here carries a firearm. Our coonhound didn't hear shit so that's how sneaky they were.
So now someone has a loaded hot 9mm. Hope it's not a kid but honestly I'm pretty sure it's a drug addict or young adult/high school kid. We even have automatic spot lights that you think would trip someone the fuck out but naw. Hope they try to pawn that shit.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax] 1
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Why the fuck did he keep a gun in car, particularly one that could be broken into that easily?
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax] 3
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Yay. Another gun on the streets. So much for responsible gun ownership.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
#22364643 - 10/11/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, said the same thing. He carries it everywhere and when he got home from work he was super tired after working 10 hour shift I guess and just left it in there. Obviously learning a lesson but that doesn't make it his fault someone broke into his car.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
#22364644 - 10/11/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At least they didn't take your virginity.
No idea where that came from...sorry to hear about that shit. I won't be the person to say that you shouldn't be leaving guns in unlocked vehicles. I won't.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: shadyy]
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Foolishness.
If they murder someone with that gun you are in big trouble.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
#22364689 - 10/11/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because somebody broke into your vehicle and stole your weapon? No, not unless you don't report it stolen.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
#22364697 - 10/11/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol What? It's a stolen firearm?
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
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Not if it was reported stolen.
Gun owner is no liable for what a criminal does with the gun. The only real way an unsecured gun can bite an owner in the ass, is if it's negligently discharged. Thief takes gun and uses it to commit crime = thief's fault, thief accidentally sets off gun while digging through car and shoots himself, possibly owner's fault.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe] 1
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Moonshoe said: Foolishness.
If they murder someone with that gun you are in big trouble.
lol... maybe the victim's family will sue the bullet manufacturer
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Prisoner#1]
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koods said: Yay. Another gun on the streets. So much for responsible gun ownership.
I'm sorry, what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/friends-accused-of-firing-stolen-fbi-machine-gun/article/2531668 http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/12/atf.guns/
are these irresponsible people the ones you say will protect us from the thugs
The ATF has a really cool headquarters.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
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I bet they take that gun and file the serial numbers off of it, which is easy to do, then trade it for dope.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
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Yeah i don't see you could be that ignorant to say if someone steal something from you, you are responsible for what they do. LMAO. That person committed a class 4 felony just stealing that gun. Every firearm we have is legally owned and registered hence the reason it's reported stolen and he had to fill out a police report.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
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Doesn't change the fact that he was extremely irresponsible. We're not talking about a gps or booklet of CDs here. It's not his fault that his car was broken into, but it is his fault that gun was in the position to be stolen. Whatever the thief does with the gun is on him, not your buddy. But the fact remains that this gun wouldn't be in the hands of that thief had it been stored properly. Common sense & all that....
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Dark_Star]
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Ehh that is like blaming the rape victim for being raped. If someone commits a crime there is no way for you to know this. That is why businesses are never liable for crimes committed on their property.
Lots of people carry their firearms in their vehicles. It was on private property and no matter what the jeep would have been broken into given it has a soft top.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
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My understanding from my firearms class was that if your gun is stolen because you didn't lock it up safely and used to commit a crime you could get in big trouble.
We were told to photograph how we store our guns so We could prove we were responsible if that happened.
Gun in locked case, behind a locked door, with ammo locked in a Seperate box in a different place, with a Trigger lock on the gun.
Maybe it's different in Canada ?
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
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Those classes aren't always taught by people who know what they're talking about. Hell the classes for some CHLs the people don't even know what they're talking about and will tell you incorrect information on when you can and can't shoot someone, and you're totally liable for if you take their advice. That's why it's important to find one where they know what they're talking about or do your own research and not just take their word for it.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
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Yeah man that makes 0 sense unless your from some place like North Korea. Guns do not have to be locked here. Anyone can legally conceal carry in Arizona. you can have your gun sitting on your table, leave your doors unlocked and someone comes in and grabs it off your table that has nothing to do with you. If someone is breaking into your property, then into your vehicles, and stealing your gun (which is a class 4 felony) you are a victim. It's that simple.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: My understanding from my firearms class was that if your gun is stolen because you didn't lock it up safely and used to commit a crime you could get in big trouble.
We were told to photograph how we store our guns so We could prove we were responsible if that happened.
Gun in locked case, behind a locked door, with ammo locked in a Seperate box in a different place, with a Trigger lock on the gun.
Maybe it's different in Canada ?
show us a picture of this gun with a sign saying 'moonshoe'
I dont believe the canadians would let you have a gun
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax] 1
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Gorlax said: Yeah man that makes 0 sense unless your from some place like North Korea. Guns do not have to be locked here. Anyone can legally conceal carry in Arizona. you can have your gun sitting on your table, leave your doors unlocked and someone comes in and grabs it off your table that has nothing to do with you. If someone is breaking into your property, then into your vehicles, and stealing your gun (which is a class 4 felony) you are a victim. It's that simple.
Cool quote. I plan on using it whenever someone says that "responsible" gun owners don't contribute to the flood of illicit guns on the street. because your brother couldn't be responsible with his gun, there's another armed criminal on the street. This is nothing like blaming a woman for being raped. I'm not blaming your brother for being robbed, I'm blaming your brother for being anothe irresponsible gun owner who will no doubt feel no responsibility for arming yet another criminal.
If you want to compare this to another crime, it's more analogous to blaming a parent whose unattended kid is kidnapped. If you buy a gun, you have a responsibility to make sure it is safe at all times - it's not a fucking iPhone or case of CDs, it's a deadly weapon.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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At what point is someone not an irresponsible owner when their gun is stolen? If someone breaks into your house and pries open your safe, is that not a "gun owner putting guns in the hands of criminals"? Granted it's pretty stupid to keep a gun unlocked in a vehicle where the weakest link is a zipper, but it was on private property. I can't really see much of a difference between a thief breaking into your car than your house. Are we to install sentry guns to defend our gun safes? Wire them up to 24/7 monitoring?
If you own a Jeep and a thief zips his way in and starts it up and takes off and gets in a high speed chase that ends in a wreck and dead people, were you an "irresponsible car owner"? Now I wait for you to tell me that's a ridiculous comparison (even though it's really not).
I keep my guns locked up the best I can, but it has as much to do with my guns being highly valuable to me and not wanting them stolen as it does with responsibility. Regardless of the lengths I go through to make sure they stay secure, it is never guaranteed. You make it sound like he went into Wal-mart and set his gun on a shelf and just left it for some kid to find.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods] 1
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I love how you like to turn almost all these threads into your anti-gun agenda. It is simply your opinion that he was irresponsible. Next time someone commits a crime I'll make sure to blame the victim then add some political agenda at the end. 
also your logic is so flawed by your political views I find it comical. You make circular arguments that are easily refuted by examples that you selectively ignore.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Gorlax said: Yeah man that makes 0 sense unless your from some place like North Korea. Guns do not have to be locked here. Anyone can legally conceal carry in Arizona. you can have your gun sitting on your table, leave your doors unlocked and someone comes in and grabs it off your table that has nothing to do with you. If someone is breaking into your property, then into your vehicles, and stealing your gun (which is a class 4 felony) you are a victim. It's that simple.
Cool quote. I plan on using it whenever someone says that "responsible" gun owners don't contribute to the flood of illicit guns on the street. because your brother couldn't be responsible with his gun, there's another armed criminal on the street. This is nothing like blaming a woman for being raped. I'm not blaming your brother for being robbed, I'm blaming your brother for being anothe irresponsible gun owner who will no doubt feel no responsibility for arming yet another criminal.
If you want to compare this to another crime, it's more analogous to blaming a parent whose unattended kid is kidnapped. If you buy a gun, you have a responsibility to make sure it is safe at all times - it's not a fucking iPhone or case of CDs, it's a deadly weapon.
You're making the false assumption that criminals have difficulty obtaining guns in the first place and this one extra gun is now going to cause problems that wouldn't otherwise arise.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax] 1
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Well I'm tired of gun owners acting like they aren't part of the problem. They are the problem.
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that is completely false. Criminals are the problem. You are indirectly taking the source of this and blaming it on gun owners because of your stance on gun ownership.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Criminals using guns in criminal ways is the fault of legitimate gun owners 
I guess pedo rings are the fault of ISPs.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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If you leave your door unlocked with the keys in the ignition and someone comes along and steals the vehicle and runs over a pedestrian speeding away from the crime, is it the thief's fault or the vehicle owner's fault??
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koods said: Well I'm tired of gun owners acting like they aren't part of the problem. They are the problem.
when will the anti-gunners start accepting their share of the blame
I can say for certain I am not part of the problem
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
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In his mind that wouldn't be an acceptable example. lol.
If anything this just goes to show that criminal will obtain firearms through anyway possible given legal or not.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: Criminals are the problem.
Did you ever notice after a city like Chicago has 50 shooting murders over a weekend that the community leaders always blame the guns, and NOT the gangs and people responsible for the actual killings.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: qman]
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One word: Propaganda.
Think for yourself...
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Gorlax said: Yeah man that makes 0 sense unless your from some place like North Korea. Guns do not have to be locked here. Anyone can legally conceal carry in Arizona. you can have your gun sitting on your table, leave your doors unlocked and someone comes in and grabs it off your table that has nothing to do with you. If someone is breaking into your property, then into your vehicles, and stealing your gun (which is a class 4 felony) you are a victim. It's that simple.
Cool quote. I plan on using it whenever someone says that "responsible" gun owners don't contribute to the flood of illicit guns on the street. because your brother couldn't be responsible with his gun, there's another armed criminal on the street. This is nothing like blaming a woman for being raped. I'm not blaming your brother for being robbed, I'm blaming your brother for being anothe irresponsible gun owner who will no doubt feel no responsibility for arming yet another criminal.
If you want to compare this to another crime, it's more analogous to blaming a parent whose unattended kid is kidnapped. If you buy a gun, you have a responsibility to make sure it is safe at all times - it's not a fucking iPhone or case of CDs, it's a deadly weapon.
You're making the false assumption that criminals have difficulty obtaining guns in the first place and this one extra gun is now going to cause problems that wouldn't otherwise arise.
One gun at time. It adds up.
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Anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000 guns are stolen annually. Some of these will be used in criminal acts, but others will be given to friends, sent abroad, or routed back to the legal market through sales to pawnshops and retail gun dealers. Because of the limitations of ATF tracing data, determining how many crime guns came from theft remains a challenge.
http://www.urban.org/urban-wire/where-do-criminals-get-guns
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said: If you leave your door unlocked with the keys in the ignition and someone comes along and steals the vehicle and runs over a pedestrian speeding away from the crime, is it the thief's fault or the vehicle owner's fault??
Please answer this koods.
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I asked it first, stop trying to jack my question.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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Sorry. Didn't see it.
Did he answer or deflect it?
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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He ignored the entire post.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods] 2
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Every gun of the street was legal at one point. When it left the factory, it went to a dealer or some other legitimate seller or buyer. Somewhere along the lines, they get get into the hands of criminals. Whether it be straw purchases, corrupt gun dealers or theft from people who leave their guns in a soft top vehicle. It all starts with someone who is supposed to be responsible not being responsible.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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koods said: Every gun of the street was legal at one point. When it left the factory, it went to a dealer or some other legitimate seller or buyer. Somewhere along the lines, they get get into the hands of criminals. Whether it be straw purchases, corrupt gun dealers or theft from people who leave their guns in a soft top vehicle. It all starts with someone who is supposed to be responsible not being responsible.

There he goes again...
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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So if a thief comes into your house and steals your shit, it's not because the thief is a piece of shit who should be held accountable, it's because you weren't responsible.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365220 - 10/11/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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A gun is not a car. And yes, the owner of that car would be responsible for damages caused by the car. If someone was injured, the insurance policy would have to pay for damages. Unlike guns, automobiles are insured.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Lol if you really believe that then you should be a prosecutor for the state. I'm sure you'll get far with that logic....
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: So if a thief comes into your house and steals your shit, it's not because the thief is a piece of shit who should be held accountable, it's because you weren't responsible.
He left his gun in his car because he was "super tired." That's not being responsible.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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I just hope you are playing devil's advocate and really not this dumb... At any rate, I hope you/someone never get the balls to break into someone else's house/property with the idea that they would be liable for your actions.
And at the same time, I hope you/someone does break into a gun owner's house/property that has castle doctrine in their state...
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Same premise. It wasn't at a Walmart parking lot or something. It was on his property. His house is also his property. Both are routinely broken into on a daily basis. Both a gun could be stolen from. Both are ridiculous to point at the owner and go "He is the problem". The problem is criminal thieving fucks in this case.
I would never leave a gun in a vehicle that could be zipped open, but that's just me and how I value my guns. He has no reason to expect his car to be broken into anymore than his house. Actually since you're so anti-thief/invader shooting this should be a good thing for you. If the gun was in the house and the thief went in, he'd probably be dead and you'd be shedding tears for him.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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many states have laws in place that penalize you for negligence that led to the theft. You can be ticketed if you’re caught leaving your car unlocked, leaving it running or leaving keys inside the car. Worse yet, it’s possible to have claims filed against you if your car was stolen due to your negligence and the thief caused damage while driving your car. In cases such as this, the insurance company will pay our liability claims up to your limits, and you can expect to see higher car insurance rates in the future.
I think shithead is right and we should treat irresponsible gun owners the same way we treat irresponsible car owners.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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A few years ago, a friend of mine had a burglar on her roof.
He fell through the skylight and landed on the cutting board on a butcher's knife and cut his leg. He sued my friend and won.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Well that shut you up, shithead.
Come on, why don't you admit right here that you fantasize about someone breaking into your house so you get to shoot them. It's obvious from your posts that you do.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Lol if I am in the wrong for you stealing my property, then please, come kick in my door. me for address.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said: Lol if I am in the wrong for you stealing my property, then please, come kick in my door. me for address.
Yup. You just wanna shoot someone. You're so tough. Without your precious guns, you are completely emasculated.
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i hate liz said: A few years ago, a friend of mine had a burglar on her roof.
He fell through the skylight and landed on the cutting board on a butcher's knife and cut his leg. He sued my friend and won.
Liar Liar
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Your assumptions make it sound like he was complicit in stealing his own property. If you left a window open and someone cut the screen and came in it would be the exact same scenario. Blaming someone for someone else comitting a crime against them is exactly what you are saying. It doesn't work like that but you are too blinded the second you saw gun you threw on your bernie sanders pants. You wouldnt have this stance if they took his kitchen chec knives which couls easily be used in a crime as well.m
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Shroomslip said: So if a thief comes into your house and steals your shit, it's not because the thief is a piece of shit who should be held accountable, it's because you weren't responsible.
He left his gun in his car because he was "super tired." That's not being responsible.
I was thinking of it a different way. He left his gun in an non-alarmed, unsecure car. That's being stupid.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Shiithead said: Lol if I am in the wrong for you stealing my property, then please, come kick in my door. me for address.
Yup. You just wanna shoot someone. You're so tough. Without your precious guns, you are completely emasculated.
Lol are you scared? I promise to lock them up.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: Same premise. It wasn't at a Walmart parking lot or something. It was on his property. His house is also his property. Both are routinely broken into on a daily basis. Both a gun could be stolen from. Both are ridiculous to point at the owner and go "He is the problem". The problem is criminal thieving fucks in this case.
I would never leave a gun in a vehicle that could be zipped open, but that's just me and how I value my guns. He has no reason to expect his car to be broken into anymore than his house. Actually since you're so anti-thief/invader shooting this should be a good thing for you. If the gun was in the house and the thief went in, he'd probably be dead and you'd be shedding tears for him.
Now the thief can break into the house and they can have a good old fashioned shootout. Yee haw.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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Honestly dude, it's probably someone who knows you and is a sketchy cunt. Most of the time shit like this is targeted. I mean it definitely could still be a random crime, but my money is on some untrustworthy fuck that knows you and knew something was in there. Either way, that gun has a serial number on it so report that shit.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Shiithead said: Lol if I am in the wrong for you stealing my property, then please, come kick in my door. me for address.
Yup. You just wanna shoot someone. You're so tough. Without your precious guns, you are completely emasculated.
Protip: A baseball bat or an Axe works just as well as a gun. Though when I looked it up last year, I actually found out it's more legal to shoot someone than swing an axe or bat at them.
Want guns reduced? Go campaigning that I can axe anyone who comes into my house uninvited.
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Handslikehouses said: Honestly dude, it's probably someone who knows you and is a sketchy cunt. Most of the time shit like this is targeted. I mean it definitely could still be a random crime, but my money is on some untrustworthy fuck that knows you and knew something was in there. Either way, that gun has a serial number on it so report that shit.

Koods still waiting for your 
You're not liable for breaking in right?
I'll leave them in front of the door so you can access them easily.
It'd be my fault if you get killed over them anyways right?
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It's not mine. Its my brothers. It would be a stretch to say its someone familiar because he doesnt keep it in there and that isnt known. He carries it all the time so its usually next to him. It was a crime of opportunity and given we have a shit ton of panhandlers around here now it could be them or heroin fuckers.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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I have a wood chipper for self defense.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: shadyy]
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Too hard to prove it was self defense. I'd at least get a weed eater or something.
I just got a great idea for a self defense, non lethal weapon. A small portable weed eater.. I'll call it "string mace". Basically it works the same as mace, it blinds you and puts you in a lot of pain. Only the blindness is permanent.
No body steal my idea, I'm going to start drawing up the blue prints right now and get this shit patented.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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I also like to dress up as a ghost to scare criminals away. Gets them every time.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: Your assumptions make it sound like he was complicit in stealing his own property. If you left a window open and someone cut the screen and came in it would be the exact same scenario. Blaming someone for someone else comitting a crime against them is exactly what you are saying. It doesn't work like that but you are too blinded the second you saw gun you threw on your bernie sanders pants. You wouldnt have this stance if they took his kitchen chec knives which couls easily be used in a crime as well.m
No. I'm not blinded. I'm pissed off that so called responsible gun often owners don't think about anyone but themselves when they decide to buy a gun. It's just so easy to blame a criminal for whatever happens to their gun if it is stolen, but that gun may not have been stolen if they were more conscientious about where they leave it or if they never bough it in the first place.
The excuse "he was super tired" sounds exactly like the excuse that someone makes when they leave their gun on the dresser and their kid comes in and accidentially shoots himself. It's a deadly weapon. If you can't be trusted to make sure it is as secure as possible at all times, then you shouldn't own it. Leaving it a car is not the same as bringing it in the hues and putting it in a safe or under your pillow.
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If you scream as loud as you can and blow your whistle it will scare them away.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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No. I'm not blinded. I'm pissed off that so called responsible gun often owners don't think about anyone but themselves when they decide to buy a gun. It's just so easy to blame a criminal for whatever happens to their gun if it is stolen, but that gun may not have been stolen if they were more conscientious about where they leave it or if they never bough it in the first place.
By that logic, I guess we should blame heroin for making addicts steal from their family or let alone OP's brother's firearm. Its a drug problem really...
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You just want to blame gun owners, you do it constantly, you generalize the shit out of them. Say we're the problem.
You know to many people out there, you're a pedo, right? Yes. There is no shortage of people who think all gays are degenerates that rape little boys and are supporters of NAMBLA and they are the problem. My own uncle is one of those people.
Stop generalizing, and stop blaming the wrong party. You sound as bigoted as my stupid ass uncle sounds.
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No. I'm not blinded. I'm pissed off that so called responsible gun often owners don't think about anyone but themselves when they decide to buy a gun. It's just so easy to blame a criminal for whatever happens to their gun if it is stolen, but that gun may not have been stolen if they were more conscientious about where they leave it or if they never bough it in the first place.
By that logic, I guess we should blame heroin for making addicts steal from their family or let alone OP's brother's firearm. Its a drug problem really...
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. I've noticed that gun nuts are terrible at analogies.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: You just want to blame gun owners, you do it constantly, you generalize the shit out of them. Say we're the problem.
You know to many people out there, you're a pedo, right? Yes. There is no shortage of people who think all gays are degenerates that rape little boys and are supporters of NAMBLA and they are the problem. My own uncle is one of those people.
Stop generalizing, and stop blaming the wrong party. You sound as bigoted as my stupid ass uncle sounds.
If you care about reponsible gun ownership then you should be just as annoyed at someone who treats their gun like its a half finished cup of coffee -- "oh I'll get that in the morning."
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Hey at least you can give some constructive criticism.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Shroomslip said: You just want to blame gun owners, you do it constantly, you generalize the shit out of them. Say we're the problem.
You know to many people out there, you're a pedo, right? Yes. There is no shortage of people who think all gays are degenerates that rape little boys and are supporters of NAMBLA and they are the problem. My own uncle is one of those people.
Stop generalizing, and stop blaming the wrong party. You sound as bigoted as my stupid ass uncle sounds.
If you care about reponsible gun ownership then you should be just as annoyed at someone who treats their gun like its a half finished cup of coffee -- "oh I'll get that in the morning."
I do care about responsible ownership. Go through the shooting while on shrooms thread and on the first page you'll see me saying anyone proven to be irresponsible with guns should lose their ability to own them. But like I said already, he didn't leave it in some public place, nor was his car parked somewhere public. It was on his own property. The only thing that makes it any easier to access is the fact that it was a jeep, and even if it had been a locked car, we both know you'd still be making the same arguments. You cannot stop thieves and there is no way to guarantee a thief will never steal your gun no matter what you do.
It is my opinion that someone should be able to expect the same security of their house and car when the car is parked at their house. So if I can't fault the guy if the gun had been stolen from his house, I can't fault him for having it stolen from his car.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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. You cannot stop thieves and there is no way to guarantee a thief will never still your gun no matter what you do.
Yeah there is. Don't own a gun
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said: If you leave your door unlocked with the keys in the ignition and someone comes along and steals the vehicle and runs over a pedestrian speeding away from the crime, is it the thief's fault or the vehicle owner's fault??
Please answer this koods.
Vehicle owner's fault that it was stolen, thief's fault for the death. There are thieves in this world. This is known. Not taking simple precautions to reduce the risk of getting your shit stolen is pure apathy. They could've just broken a window, but didn't have to. Might've gone for it, or might've gone to an easier target.
I'm far from anti-gun, but I believe in common sense. Leaving a loaded gun in an unlocked car is irresponsible, plain & simple. The owner played a role in this. Denying that role is an inaccurate representation of the event.
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Yeah there is. Don't own a gun 
So don't own jewelry, electronics, food, dogs, don't have kids, I can keep going. That argument is retarded. Let's all just walk around completely naked, never owning anything and sleep wherever we may fall, because thieves can't be faulted for thieving, it's our responsibility to keep them from stealing.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Dark_Star]
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It doesn't matter when it comes to the law.
You are either in the right or in the wrong in the eyes of the law.
You can't get away with theft if you are caught.
And if you break into my home, you won't get away.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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Yeah there is. Don't own a gun 
So don't own jewelry, electronics, food, dogs, don't have kids, I can keep going. That argument is retarded. Let's all just walk around completely naked, never owning anything and sleep wherever we may fall, because thieves can't be faulted for thieving, it's our responsibility to keep them from stealing.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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I wasn't referring to the law. But any cop will call you a dumbass if you leave your car unlocked, keys in the ignition & it gets jacked.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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Come on, you're better than that. You know we aren't talking about jewelry, food or an iPad. When those get stolen it sucks. They are not dangerous weapons. But a dog, yeah, good analogy. Ownership of an dog comes with responsibilities. You are liable for what happens to that dog. You are responsible if your dog attacks someone. If you can't deal with that you shouldn't own one.
And as for kids, you would go to jail if you left them in the car overnight
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Jewelry can be used to purchase black market weapons. Letting a thief take your jewelry funds their inevitable shooting spree that all gun owners must complete.
Even wood has value, so we can't even have a stick to swing at the wild animals while we wander around aimlessly, some thief might come when we finally fall over and pass out, and then kill someone with it. It's our responsibility to prevent them from being able to do that.
P.S. I've slept in cars overnight when I was a kid, my parents didn't go to jail for it.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said: I wasn't referring to the law. But any cop will call you a dumbass if you leave your car unlocked, keys in the ignition & it gets jacked.
Doesn't matter what a cop thinks (unless he kills you, a dead man can't talk.)
It's not what happened, it's what you can prove in a court of law.
That is why I encourage anyone to break into my home. I know my rights....
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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You can still smack somebody with a hammer, I don't lock my tool box. Am I being irresponsible? No. Do I lock up my steak knives? No. Shit, if I had a bow and arrow, I probably wouldn't keep a lock on that either!
Just because something can be used to kill doesn't mean it has to. I like guns, but I would NEVER in my dreams wish to kill somebody with a gun, or by any other fashion for that matter.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Still blaming the victim for criminal actions. Like I said if they made off with the knives then you wouldn't think twice about probably even commenting in this thread. Just because it was a gun its automatically the gun owners fault for getting robbed. I don't think it's the right assumption to call someone irresponsible for someone breaking into their car and happening to find their firearm on their own property. Your argument has been the exact same the whole time, he left it in his car? so the fuck what? You can leave a gun wherever the fuck you want on your property.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: The Moose]
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The Moose said: You can still smack somebody with a hammer, I don't lock my tool box. Am I being irresponsible? No. Do I lock up my steak knives? No. Shit, if I had a bow and arrow, I probably wouldn't keep a lock on that either!
Just because something can be used to kill doesn't mean it has to. I like guns, but I would NEVER in my dreams wish to kill somebody with a gun, or by any other fashion for that matter.

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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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As I said, I'm not talking about legality. I'm saying the owner is partially responsible for what happened. Doesn't matter if he can't face charges. It was still irresponsible. Too much trying to avoid any responsibility anymore. The guy fucked up. Hopefully he learns his lesson.
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Dark_Star said: As I said, I'm not talking about legality. I'm saying the owner is partially responsible for what happened. Doesn't matter if he can't face charges. It was still irresponsible. Too much trying to avoid any responsibility anymore. The guy fucked up. Hopefully he learns his lesson.
I feel like there is also a difference. He didn't leave it on the sidewalk, he left it in a vehicle owned by him.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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. You cannot stop thieves and there is no way to guarantee a thief will never still your gun no matter what you do.
Yeah there is. Don't own a gun 
you gun control loons are terrible at solutions. That's like saying to avoid getting a woman pregnant, don't have a dick.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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Yeah looks like Canada just really is that different in its culture about Guns.
From a Canadian perspective your gun laws are mind Blowingly crazy. Having a gun in Canada is a totally different thing I think . Very very few canadians own a gun and most people don't even know how to go about getting one.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
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It depends on the state, some are lax and some are not. California and either New York or New Jersey (or both) have ridiculously strict gun laws.
Everyone loves to act like Texas is the gun happy state, but our laws are actually more strict than some other states. For instance, Texas has a MUCH more narrow window on when you can use a gun in self defense than Florida.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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Yea in Washington DC you cannot concealed carry, last I checked at least it may have changed.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: The Moose]
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Yeah depends on the state forsure. I know my relatives owned quite a few guns in new york before we moved but they all had military backgrounds and my dad was a hunter/firefighter. I think you need like proof you hunt + license + classes + no background. I think he owns upwards of like 15 rifles and most were purchased on Long Island. That was back in the 80's and early 90's tho.
Arizona is like the #3 most relaxed state for guns. Followed by Alaska then Utah.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said: As I said, I'm not talking about legality. I'm saying the owner is partially responsible for what happened. Doesn't matter if he can't face charges. It was still irresponsible. Too much trying to avoid any responsibility anymore. The guy fucked up. Hopefully he learns his lesson.
That's not what the law says. It isn't his fault someone stole his firearm. I personally wouldn't leave my firearms in my car even in broad daylight unless it was in a safe. But yea that doesn't matter at the end of the day. What does matter is the law. I am a law abiding citizen and I believe the law does have a place in this society as of now. If someone wants to break into my vehicle or home because they think I am responsible for their actions. I beg them to try.
And besides.... I live in America. Even if the law was perverted or unjust, I would break it and still be in the right. So in the end, it doesn't matter what you say or do, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be left alone, even if it means taking lives.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said: I am a law abiding citizen and I believe the law does have a place in this society as of now.
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if the law was perverted or unjust, I would break it and still be in the right. So in the end, it doesn't matter what you say or do, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be left alone, even if it means taking lives.
You don't give a shit about the law or what is right. You just want to have a gun and shoot someone. Nearly every one of you post alludes to your desire to do so. Based on your photo looking like a terrorist and your constant fantasization about using your gun on people who get too close, I hope someone who cares about you gets those guns out of your hands before you hurt someone.
When they say guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people, you seem like the people they are talking about.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
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You need to smoke a doob friend.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
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If your gun got stolen you are an irresponsible gun owner. If someone steals plutonium from the nuclear plant would you feel the same way? The power company is just a victim? You feel that way when a nuke goes off too? I don't think you would feel that way. I think you would point at the power utility and say "they were negligent". And at least 50 percent responsible. That's how I feel about OP's brother, I don't see him as a victim. He did not have his gun secure and now someone in Mexico is going to get shot with an illegal gun. Every time the cops trace illegal guns used in crime in Canada they were stolen in the USA. Hard to tell though as "legitimate" gun owners sell their weapons to organized crime and claim they were stolen. I think getting your gun stolen should be a crime. I can't even believe you people don't even practice safe storage. Disgusting.
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i missed the part how leaving your gun in your car is irresponsible. the gun isn't going to go out and shoot people by itself. it took a theif to come and commit a breaking and entering of said car, to access the otherwise safely stored gun.
I am so sick of these brainwashed scared lil pussies that believe the propaganda of the police state that guns are bad. the right to bear arms is for defending against a corrupt and predatory government.
not for hunting or target shooting. for shooting at people, i.e. police and government officials, when other means for redress of grievances fail to create the necessary change to restore freedom, and tyranny has taken over.
Guns are never the problem, because it takes a person to pick it up and aim and pull the trigger. People are the problem. Also a government faking mass shootings to create anti gun hysteria while simultaneously arming despots around the world and giving guns to drug cartels, is the problem.
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I am so sick of these brainwashed scared lil pussies that believe the propaganda of the police state that guns are bad. the right to bear arms is for defending against a corrupt and predatory government.
not for hunting or target shooting. for shooting at people, i.e. police and government officials, when other means for redress of grievances fail to create the necessary change to restore freedom, and tyranny has taken over.
Guns are never the problem, because it takes a person to pick it up and aim and pull the trigger. People are the problem. Also a government faking mass shootings to create anti gun hysteria while simultaneously arming despots around the world and giving guns to drug cartels, is the problem.
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Guns aren't the problem.
But Gun Owners who don't store their guns safely ARE part of the problem.
So are people who steal guns. But the person who doesn't safely lock up their gun is certainly also partly to blame.
If I leave my gun in a carboard box outside my front door with a sign saying "please don't take my gun"
and someone takes it...
Yeah I am kind of responsible for what they do with it.
If I have my gun locked up in a case in a locked room in a locked house and someone breaks in and steals it, yeah thats on them not on me.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#22371813 - 10/13/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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what if you leave your gun on your front seat with a used condom laying on it for protection (guns need it too ya know)? You have tinted windows but it is visible from the outside and locked. A welfare queen smashes the window, shoves the condom in her coochie, and takes off with the gun selling it for 30 dollars in crack.
Are you responsible for someone who buys the crack if they overdose? Are you responsible for her baby you caused with your irresponsible use of your used condom?? The gun?
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
#22372775 - 10/13/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At what point does it become irresponsible?
Do you have to have a massive safe that is bolted to the floor? What happens when someone uses the 4 hours you are gone from your residence to get it open and steal your firearms??
Are you still irresponsible for not staying in your home making sure no one takes your guns???
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
#22372912 - 10/13/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Guns aren't the problem.
But Gun Owners who don't store their guns safely ARE part of the problem.
So are people who steal guns. But the person who doesn't safely lock up their gun is certainly also partly to blame.
If I leave my gun in a carboard box outside my front door with a sign saying "please don't take my gun"
and someone takes it...
Yeah I am kind of responsible for what they do with it.
If I have my gun locked up in a case in a locked room in a locked house and someone breaks in and steals it, yeah thats on them not on me.
last time i checked having the gun safely stored in your vehicle on your own property, which no one else has a legal right to enter, is storing a gun responsibly, and very different from leaving it in your front yard in a cardboard box with a sign
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: rickpsfuckyou] 1
#22373639 - 10/13/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right? lol these people love to turn the table around just because it was a gun? It's absolutely illogical to blame someone for someone else breaking into your property then your vehicles and stealing a fucking item. Your backward ass logic and examples aren't making your case any more believable.
I can't believe some of you are that fucking stupid. You really think that this person is going to bring this gun to Mexico. GTFO. You live in a fantasy world where you think everyone is a gun runner. People who do that live on the border and do it an organized way. They don't break into fucking cars and randomly come up on a gun in a crime of opportunity. There's much more efficient ways to obtain guns besides hoping someone left a gun in their car overnight on their own property.
Then to allude about placing an item in a cardboard box outside? wtf? You are thinking as if this gun was purposely placed outside like bulk trash items that said please take?!...
It's funny how someones political views on gun ownership can spew over to simple logic.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
#22373648 - 10/13/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We have a lot of anti-gun nuts here apparently. It's about on par with the amount of cop haters yet none of them have a solution to the gun problem or the problem of crime....
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Uzziel]
#22373656 - 10/13/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The solution always stems back to the gun owners for some stupid fucking reason. Not the criminals that perpetrate crime. It's sad. We live in a society where no one is accountable for their actions anymore it seems.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Uzziel]
#22373658 - 10/13/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure they do. Ban the guns. That will definitely make sure no criminal ever has a gun again.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
#22373664 - 10/13/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Sure they do. Ban the guns. That will definitely make sure no criminal ever has a gun again.
Yep... that won't just guarantee the only people with guns are the police, military and criminals...
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
#22373968 - 10/13/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are misunderstanding. I am not saying I think it should be that way, its not MY logic. I am talking about what I understand to be the law in Canada, which is that if you don't lock up your gun safely (meaning in a locked case) and it is stolen (like if you left it in your glove compartment or something) then you would be legally liable for crimes commited with it, to some degree.
I may be wrong, but that was my understanding.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
#22373982 - 10/13/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: You are misunderstanding. I am not saying I think it should be that way, its not MY logic. I am talking about what I understand to be the law in Canada, which is that if you don't lock up your gun safely (meaning in a locked case) and it is stolen (like if you left it in your glove compartment or something) then you would be legally liable for crimes commited with it, to some degree.
I may be wrong, but that was my understanding.
If you could be liable for what someone does with your stolen property, why are we even allowed to own anything??
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
#22374448 - 10/13/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: You are misunderstanding. I am not saying I think it should be that way, its not MY logic. I am talking about what I understand to be the law in Canada, which is that if you don't lock up your gun safely (meaning in a locked case) and it is stolen (like if you left it in your glove compartment or something) then you would be legally liable for crimes commited with it, to some degree.
I may be wrong, but that was my understanding.
If that's true it's a ridiculous law. Now sure, if you have children or mentally unstable people in your house I could see how you could hold some liability if something happened.g. That would be negligence. Leaving any item locked and out of sight in your vehicle is not, logically speaking. Would you also liable if you leave a prescription drug in your glove box in a locked car and someone breaks in, eats it all, and dies?
Not directed at you but it's fucking ridiculous how liberals take two completely opposite groups: legal gun owners and criminals/gang bangers, and lump together and give legal gun owners all the blowback from thugs being thugs. It's essentially the same logic of saying "heroin is a drug and bad, marijuana is a drug so it must also be bad"
Edited by luvdemboomers (10/13/15 05:11 PM)
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