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The Moose
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365466 - 10/11/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can still smack somebody with a hammer, I don't lock my tool box. Am I being irresponsible? No. Do I lock up my steak knives? No. Shit, if I had a bow and arrow, I probably wouldn't keep a lock on that either!
Just because something can be used to kill doesn't mean it has to. I like guns, but I would NEVER in my dreams wish to kill somebody with a gun, or by any other fashion for that matter.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365473 - 10/11/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still blaming the victim for criminal actions. Like I said if they made off with the knives then you wouldn't think twice about probably even commenting in this thread. Just because it was a gun its automatically the gun owners fault for getting robbed. I don't think it's the right assumption to call someone irresponsible for someone breaking into their car and happening to find their firearm on their own property. Your argument has been the exact same the whole time, he left it in his car? so the fuck what? You can leave a gun wherever the fuck you want on your property.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: The Moose]
#22365491 - 10/11/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Moose said: You can still smack somebody with a hammer, I don't lock my tool box. Am I being irresponsible? No. Do I lock up my steak knives? No. Shit, if I had a bow and arrow, I probably wouldn't keep a lock on that either!
Just because something can be used to kill doesn't mean it has to. I like guns, but I would NEVER in my dreams wish to kill somebody with a gun, or by any other fashion for that matter.

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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
#22365496 - 10/11/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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As I said, I'm not talking about legality. I'm saying the owner is partially responsible for what happened. Doesn't matter if he can't face charges. It was still irresponsible. Too much trying to avoid any responsibility anymore. The guy fucked up. Hopefully he learns his lesson.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Dark_Star]
#22365531 - 10/11/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: As I said, I'm not talking about legality. I'm saying the owner is partially responsible for what happened. Doesn't matter if he can't face charges. It was still irresponsible. Too much trying to avoid any responsibility anymore. The guy fucked up. Hopefully he learns his lesson.
I feel like there is also a difference. He didn't leave it on the sidewalk, he left it in a vehicle owned by him.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365612 - 10/11/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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. You cannot stop thieves and there is no way to guarantee a thief will never still your gun no matter what you do.
Yeah there is. Don't own a gun 
you gun control loons are terrible at solutions. That's like saying to avoid getting a woman pregnant, don't have a dick.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365833 - 10/11/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah looks like Canada just really is that different in its culture about Guns.
From a Canadian perspective your gun laws are mind Blowingly crazy. Having a gun in Canada is a totally different thing I think . Very very few canadians own a gun and most people don't even know how to go about getting one.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
#22365871 - 10/11/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It depends on the state, some are lax and some are not. California and either New York or New Jersey (or both) have ridiculously strict gun laws.
Everyone loves to act like Texas is the gun happy state, but our laws are actually more strict than some other states. For instance, Texas has a MUCH more narrow window on when you can use a gun in self defense than Florida.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
#22365900 - 10/11/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea in Washington DC you cannot concealed carry, last I checked at least it may have changed.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: The Moose]
#22366025 - 10/11/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah depends on the state forsure. I know my relatives owned quite a few guns in new york before we moved but they all had military backgrounds and my dad was a hunter/firefighter. I think you need like proof you hunt + license + classes + no background. I think he owns upwards of like 15 rifles and most were purchased on Long Island. That was back in the 80's and early 90's tho.
Arizona is like the #3 most relaxed state for guns. Followed by Alaska then Utah.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Dark_Star]
#22366684 - 10/12/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: As I said, I'm not talking about legality. I'm saying the owner is partially responsible for what happened. Doesn't matter if he can't face charges. It was still irresponsible. Too much trying to avoid any responsibility anymore. The guy fucked up. Hopefully he learns his lesson.
That's not what the law says. It isn't his fault someone stole his firearm. I personally wouldn't leave my firearms in my car even in broad daylight unless it was in a safe. But yea that doesn't matter at the end of the day. What does matter is the law. I am a law abiding citizen and I believe the law does have a place in this society as of now. If someone wants to break into my vehicle or home because they think I am responsible for their actions. I beg them to try.
And besides.... I live in America. Even if the law was perverted or unjust, I would break it and still be in the right. So in the end, it doesn't matter what you say or do, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be left alone, even if it means taking lives.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
#22367193 - 10/12/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: I am a law abiding citizen and I believe the law does have a place in this society as of now.
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if the law was perverted or unjust, I would break it and still be in the right. So in the end, it doesn't matter what you say or do, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be left alone, even if it means taking lives.
You don't give a shit about the law or what is right. You just want to have a gun and shoot someone. Nearly every one of you post alludes to your desire to do so. Based on your photo looking like a terrorist and your constant fantasization about using your gun on people who get too close, I hope someone who cares about you gets those guns out of your hands before you hurt someone.
When they say guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people, you seem like the people they are talking about.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22367691 - 10/12/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You need to smoke a doob friend.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
#22371403 - 10/12/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: At what point is someone not an irresponsible owner when their gun is stolen?
If your gun got stolen you are an irresponsible gun owner. If someone steals plutonium from the nuclear plant would you feel the same way? The power company is just a victim? You feel that way when a nuke goes off too? I don't think you would feel that way. I think you would point at the power utility and say "they were negligent". And at least 50 percent responsible. That's how I feel about OP's brother, I don't see him as a victim. He did not have his gun secure and now someone in Mexico is going to get shot with an illegal gun. Every time the cops trace illegal guns used in crime in Canada they were stolen in the USA. Hard to tell though as "legitimate" gun owners sell their weapons to organized crime and claim they were stolen. I think getting your gun stolen should be a crime. I can't even believe you people don't even practice safe storage. Disgusting.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: my3rdeye] 1
#22371487 - 10/13/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22371697 - 10/13/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i missed the part how leaving your gun in your car is irresponsible. the gun isn't going to go out and shoot people by itself. it took a theif to come and commit a breaking and entering of said car, to access the otherwise safely stored gun.
I am so sick of these brainwashed scared lil pussies that believe the propaganda of the police state that guns are bad. the right to bear arms is for defending against a corrupt and predatory government.
not for hunting or target shooting. for shooting at people, i.e. police and government officials, when other means for redress of grievances fail to create the necessary change to restore freedom, and tyranny has taken over.
Guns are never the problem, because it takes a person to pick it up and aim and pull the trigger. People are the problem. Also a government faking mass shootings to create anti gun hysteria while simultaneously arming despots around the world and giving guns to drug cartels, is the problem.
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rickpsfuckyou said: i missed the part how leaving your gun in your car is irresponsible. the gun isn't going to go out and shoot people by itself. it took a theif to come and commit a breaking and entering of said car, to access the otherwise safely stored gun.
I am so sick of these brainwashed scared lil pussies that believe the propaganda of the police state that guns are bad. the right to bear arms is for defending against a corrupt and predatory government.
not for hunting or target shooting. for shooting at people, i.e. police and government officials, when other means for redress of grievances fail to create the necessary change to restore freedom, and tyranny has taken over.
Guns are never the problem, because it takes a person to pick it up and aim and pull the trigger. People are the problem. Also a government faking mass shootings to create anti gun hysteria while simultaneously arming despots around the world and giving guns to drug cartels, is the problem.
Well put.
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Guns aren't the problem.
But Gun Owners who don't store their guns safely ARE part of the problem.
So are people who steal guns. But the person who doesn't safely lock up their gun is certainly also partly to blame.
If I leave my gun in a carboard box outside my front door with a sign saying "please don't take my gun"
and someone takes it...
Yeah I am kind of responsible for what they do with it.
If I have my gun locked up in a case in a locked room in a locked house and someone breaks in and steals it, yeah thats on them not on me.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#22371813 - 10/13/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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what if you leave your gun on your front seat with a used condom laying on it for protection (guns need it too ya know)? You have tinted windows but it is visible from the outside and locked. A welfare queen smashes the window, shoves the condom in her coochie, and takes off with the gun selling it for 30 dollars in crack.
Are you responsible for someone who buys the crack if they overdose? Are you responsible for her baby you caused with your irresponsible use of your used condom?? The gun?
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Moonshoe]
#22372775 - 10/13/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At what point does it become irresponsible?
Do you have to have a massive safe that is bolted to the floor? What happens when someone uses the 4 hours you are gone from your residence to get it open and steal your firearms??
Are you still irresponsible for not staying in your home making sure no one takes your guns???
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