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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax] 1
#22365012 - 10/11/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Yeah man that makes 0 sense unless your from some place like North Korea. Guns do not have to be locked here. Anyone can legally conceal carry in Arizona. you can have your gun sitting on your table, leave your doors unlocked and someone comes in and grabs it off your table that has nothing to do with you. If someone is breaking into your property, then into your vehicles, and stealing your gun (which is a class 4 felony) you are a victim. It's that simple.
Cool quote. I plan on using it whenever someone says that "responsible" gun owners don't contribute to the flood of illicit guns on the street. because your brother couldn't be responsible with his gun, there's another armed criminal on the street. This is nothing like blaming a woman for being raped. I'm not blaming your brother for being robbed, I'm blaming your brother for being anothe irresponsible gun owner who will no doubt feel no responsibility for arming yet another criminal.
If you want to compare this to another crime, it's more analogous to blaming a parent whose unattended kid is kidnapped. If you buy a gun, you have a responsibility to make sure it is safe at all times - it's not a fucking iPhone or case of CDs, it's a deadly weapon.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365107 - 10/11/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At what point is someone not an irresponsible owner when their gun is stolen? If someone breaks into your house and pries open your safe, is that not a "gun owner putting guns in the hands of criminals"? Granted it's pretty stupid to keep a gun unlocked in a vehicle where the weakest link is a zipper, but it was on private property. I can't really see much of a difference between a thief breaking into your car than your house. Are we to install sentry guns to defend our gun safes? Wire them up to 24/7 monitoring?
If you own a Jeep and a thief zips his way in and starts it up and takes off and gets in a high speed chase that ends in a wreck and dead people, were you an "irresponsible car owner"? Now I wait for you to tell me that's a ridiculous comparison (even though it's really not).
I keep my guns locked up the best I can, but it has as much to do with my guns being highly valuable to me and not wanting them stolen as it does with responsibility. Regardless of the lengths I go through to make sure they stay secure, it is never guaranteed. You make it sound like he went into Wal-mart and set his gun on a shelf and just left it for some kid to find.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods] 1
#22365113 - 10/11/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love how you like to turn almost all these threads into your anti-gun agenda. It is simply your opinion that he was irresponsible. Next time someone commits a crime I'll make sure to blame the victim then add some political agenda at the end. 
also your logic is so flawed by your political views I find it comical. You make circular arguments that are easily refuted by examples that you selectively ignore.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365129 - 10/11/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Yeah man that makes 0 sense unless your from some place like North Korea. Guns do not have to be locked here. Anyone can legally conceal carry in Arizona. you can have your gun sitting on your table, leave your doors unlocked and someone comes in and grabs it off your table that has nothing to do with you. If someone is breaking into your property, then into your vehicles, and stealing your gun (which is a class 4 felony) you are a victim. It's that simple.
Cool quote. I plan on using it whenever someone says that "responsible" gun owners don't contribute to the flood of illicit guns on the street. because your brother couldn't be responsible with his gun, there's another armed criminal on the street. This is nothing like blaming a woman for being raped. I'm not blaming your brother for being robbed, I'm blaming your brother for being anothe irresponsible gun owner who will no doubt feel no responsibility for arming yet another criminal.
If you want to compare this to another crime, it's more analogous to blaming a parent whose unattended kid is kidnapped. If you buy a gun, you have a responsibility to make sure it is safe at all times - it's not a fucking iPhone or case of CDs, it's a deadly weapon.
You're making the false assumption that criminals have difficulty obtaining guns in the first place and this one extra gun is now going to cause problems that wouldn't otherwise arise.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax] 1
#22365131 - 10/11/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I'm tired of gun owners acting like they aren't part of the problem. They are the problem.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods] 1
#22365147 - 10/11/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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that is completely false. Criminals are the problem. You are indirectly taking the source of this and blaming it on gun owners because of your stance on gun ownership.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365150 - 10/11/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Criminals using guns in criminal ways is the fault of legitimate gun owners 
I guess pedo rings are the fault of ISPs.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365159 - 10/11/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you leave your door unlocked with the keys in the ignition and someone comes along and steals the vehicle and runs over a pedestrian speeding away from the crime, is it the thief's fault or the vehicle owner's fault??
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods] 1
#22365169 - 10/11/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Well I'm tired of gun owners acting like they aren't part of the problem. They are the problem.
when will the anti-gunners start accepting their share of the blame
I can say for certain I am not part of the problem
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
#22365171 - 10/11/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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In his mind that wouldn't be an acceptable example. lol.
If anything this just goes to show that criminal will obtain firearms through anyway possible given legal or not.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Gorlax]
#22365173 - 10/11/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Criminals are the problem.
Did you ever notice after a city like Chicago has 50 shooting murders over a weekend that the community leaders always blame the guns, and NOT the gangs and people responsible for the actual killings.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: qman]
#22365177 - 10/11/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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One word: Propaganda.
Think for yourself...
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: qman]
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Gorlax said: Yeah man that makes 0 sense unless your from some place like North Korea. Guns do not have to be locked here. Anyone can legally conceal carry in Arizona. you can have your gun sitting on your table, leave your doors unlocked and someone comes in and grabs it off your table that has nothing to do with you. If someone is breaking into your property, then into your vehicles, and stealing your gun (which is a class 4 felony) you are a victim. It's that simple.
Cool quote. I plan on using it whenever someone says that "responsible" gun owners don't contribute to the flood of illicit guns on the street. because your brother couldn't be responsible with his gun, there's another armed criminal on the street. This is nothing like blaming a woman for being raped. I'm not blaming your brother for being robbed, I'm blaming your brother for being anothe irresponsible gun owner who will no doubt feel no responsibility for arming yet another criminal.
If you want to compare this to another crime, it's more analogous to blaming a parent whose unattended kid is kidnapped. If you buy a gun, you have a responsibility to make sure it is safe at all times - it's not a fucking iPhone or case of CDs, it's a deadly weapon.
You're making the false assumption that criminals have difficulty obtaining guns in the first place and this one extra gun is now going to cause problems that wouldn't otherwise arise.
One gun at time. It adds up.
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Anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000 guns are stolen annually. Some of these will be used in criminal acts, but others will be given to friends, sent abroad, or routed back to the legal market through sales to pawnshops and retail gun dealers. Because of the limitations of ATF tracing data, determining how many crime guns came from theft remains a challenge.
http://www.urban.org/urban-wire/where-do-criminals-get-guns
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
#22365182 - 10/11/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: If you leave your door unlocked with the keys in the ignition and someone comes along and steals the vehicle and runs over a pedestrian speeding away from the crime, is it the thief's fault or the vehicle owner's fault??
Please answer this koods.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
#22365185 - 10/11/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I asked it first, stop trying to jack my question.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shroomslip]
#22365189 - 10/11/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry. Didn't see it.
Did he answer or deflect it?
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: Shiithead]
#22365194 - 10/11/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He ignored the entire post.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods] 2
#22365200 - 10/11/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Every gun of the street was legal at one point. When it left the factory, it went to a dealer or some other legitimate seller or buyer. Somewhere along the lines, they get get into the hands of criminals. Whether it be straw purchases, corrupt gun dealers or theft from people who leave their guns in a soft top vehicle. It all starts with someone who is supposed to be responsible not being responsible.
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365204 - 10/11/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Every gun of the street was legal at one point. When it left the factory, it went to a dealer or some other legitimate seller or buyer. Somewhere along the lines, they get get into the hands of criminals. Whether it be straw purchases, corrupt gun dealers or theft from people who leave their guns in a soft top vehicle. It all starts with someone who is supposed to be responsible not being responsible.

There he goes again...
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Re: Vehicles broken into last night [Re: koods]
#22365206 - 10/11/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So if a thief comes into your house and steals your shit, it's not because the thief is a piece of shit who should be held accountable, it's because you weren't responsible.
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