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puff4200
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: newrook]
#22364982 - 10/11/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't believe no ones suggested it but 9mm's are great guns. 9mm is a very cheap round so you can put alot of them through at the range. At home its a strong enough weapon to take down almost any intruder. .22 is a cool gun but very weak you'll grow tired of it pretty quickly. .38 calliper is a good gun but close to the size of a 9 and more expensive ammo. Only other way I would go from a 9mm is a .45 which is a solid weapon but the ammo will be noticeably more than 9mm.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: puff4200]
#22365039 - 10/11/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did
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Shroomslip said: If you're gonna be getting it as a just in case for self or home defense, .22 is not what you want. 9mm at the minimum for that.
.45 is not the best gun for someone wanting to do target shooting, ammo is expensive. 9mm ammo can be reasonable, and it can be a reasonable defense weapon. It really all depends on the gun though. A gun that jams all the time is not a good choice. My SR45 will only reliably feed WWB ammo. Aguila and other cheap shit, I'll get a few FTF's per range trip, and some of the really cheap Wal-mart shit will literally be every other round.
My wife's M9 on the other hand, will chew through any ammo at all, I think out of like 800 or so rounds, it's had 1 single stovepipe jam.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: Shroomslip]
#22365141 - 10/11/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah my uncle has a massive collection of silencers which go to like 5 different guns. I believe he has 3 pistol silencers and 2 for his AR-15. They are expensive as fuck and he had to go through the ATF licensing to get them. He basically has a federal firearms license are whatever you call it. Not sure about needing one for each gun I think you just need to pay a fee to register each silencer because they are treated almost as individual weapons. The laws here are super relaxed though. I think Arizona has some of the most lax laws for guns.
The guns are so quiet you can shoot them inside your house it's pretty cool.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: Gorlax]
#22365164 - 10/11/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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9mm. With good ammo it will be very close in effectiveness to a 40 or 45.
I recommend a SR9C. Great gun, runs about 420 bucks. Comes with a 10 round magazine with pinky extension (allows you to grip the grip with 4 fingers vs 3 on a gun with a small grip) and a 17 round mag that has a grip extension built in essentially making it like a full size sr9 grip (not like the glock extended mags where the metal part sticks out the bottom of the grip). With the small mag it's concealable without much trouble and with the large mag it essentially a full size gun minues a .7" shorter barrel If you want a versatile pistol that packs a punch on a budget this is the gun to get.
You can get 9mm for ~230 a thousand so it's really not that expensive. I would not choose a 22lr for personal defense. While they may kill you in time they do a poor job compared to the larger calibers at stopping you quickly, which is the whole point of shooting someone in a self defense scenario.
As far as bigger calibers punching through people... not true with good defensive ammo. Most good defensive hollow points for 9mm and up pistols are designed to penetrate 12-16" which is ideal. Bullet design is about balancing expansion (larger wound) and penetration (reaching vital organs). FBI calls for a minimum of 12" of penetratration which is plenty imo. With pistols 380 and under you should really stick with fmj bullets as they often don't have enough energy behind them to expand a hollow point while penetrating adequately. Comparing full metal jackets... any pistol 380 or bigger is gonna punch a hole through someone and keep going. To give you an idea 9mm HP's generally expand to .55-.6" while 45's generally expand to .65-.7 both with similiar penetration so they are pretty close in effectiveness.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: Gorlax]
#22365170 - 10/11/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah that's what I meant, each silencer has to be registered, not each gun it's on. People pick out silencers around the entire idea that they want to be able to use them on as many of their guns as possible since it's such a huge pain in the ass to get.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: Shroomslip]
#22369531 - 10/12/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Single shot bolt action .22. They are always fun no matter how long you've been a shooter. You can always add a scope too.
I'd also recommend a single shot break open shotgun in either 12 or 20 gauge. But I'd really recommend a 20 gauge. Both are inexpensive and always good to have in your collection.
You should be able to get a good used .22 and shotgun as mentioned above for around $300 combined.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22369561 - 10/12/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like 9mm's or .40's for everyday carry. on a typical day I leave the house with my sig 40 or my glock 9. revolvers are nice for beginners and are generally accurate as anything. personally I would start out on a .22 rifle like some have suggested, if money is an object. me personally though,j I would just save up say $700-1100 for a nice .556 AR. a four year old could accurately shoot a well built AR just as easily as a 40 year old adult could. the .556 is big enough to efficiently hunt animals with or effectivly take down a person with, too. and at the range you can't ask for anything much better than well-built and sighted in AR.
i spent considerably more than that on my rock river arms AR 15 but man was it worth it. if I was hungry, the world fell to shit, i had a dozen enemies wanting to pop my melon, or I just wanted to go run shit at the range the AR is my default go to.
the ammo isn't that outrageous, either.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: zSDMF]
#22369590 - 10/12/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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anybody that is recommending a .22 is right out of their mind. its too fucking tiresome to find bulk quantities of the shit right now. and really who wants to only buy 20 rounds of .22??
.380/9mm is the correct place to start.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: newrook]
#22369619 - 10/12/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'd start with a .22 rifle.Quote:
newrook said: Ruger 10/22 there's no two ways about it.

that or a marlin 795 are great starter guns
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: rackem]
#22369638 - 10/12/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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rackem said: anybody that is recommending a .22 is right out of their mind. its too fucking tiresome to find bulk quantities of the shit right now. and really who wants to only buy 20 rounds of .22??
.380/9mm is the correct place to start.
I built up my supply like 100 a day Fucking stupid Academy limits and no bulk boxes anywhere. I've went shooting a few times so I think I'm back down to somewhere around 800-1k in .22
Unless you can reliably find bulk boxes or want to make daily trips to the store and only shoot like once ever 2 weeks, .22 is not the best way to go right now. Around here you can't even go to multiple stores and buy it, because only one store at any given time ever has any at all.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: rackem]
#22369650 - 10/12/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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rackem said: anybody that is recommending a .22 is right out of their mind. its too fucking tiresome to find bulk quantities of the shit right now. and really who wants to only buy 20 rounds of .22??
.380/9mm is the correct place to start.
.22 long's are notoriously accurate even the cheap walmart .22's. and generally they are cheap and when you can find the ammo it is among the cheapest.
and for animals no bigger than a big jack rabbit a 22 would have no problem at almost no reachable range.
I do love my .9's though. out of all of my handguns though the sig 40 i have is my fav. i've had 5 sigs of varying calibers and while all of them were ace this current 40 I have is best, sig P224 .40 s&w.
i definitely paid way more than OP would want to though
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22369664 - 10/12/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got my first guns the other day I boughtn'12 gauge and an.22 I recommend a 12 gauge and a 22 Then a hangun
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: zSDMF]
#22369675 - 10/12/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i also have a 1902 s&w .32 long hand ejector. that gun is accurate as hell, so well balanced and its like shooting a pellet gun. its my least noisy gun i have. it would be a great beginner gun but these particular models get pricey at times. its the only revolver i own now
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: zSDMF]
#22369694 - 10/12/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Suppose I'd better shop around and see what bullets are available near me. Didn't foresee that being an issue.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22369709 - 10/12/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: Suppose I'd better shop around and see what bullets are available near me. Didn't foresee that being an issue.
I warned you about it on the first page.
9mm is probably your best bet for cost effectiveness, ease of use, and availability. .22 is substantially cheaper (a box of 9mm is around 12 bucks or so here, and .22 is around 3-4) but the availability can really fucking suck sometimes. It's been a long time since the last ammo scare (where it all but disappears) and things still haven't really recovered around here.
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Re: Recommend what kind/caliber of gun a gun noob should get [Re: Shroomslip]
#22369860 - 10/12/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said:
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rbalzer said: Suppose I'd better shop around and see what bullets are available near me. Didn't foresee that being an issue.
I warned you about it on the first page.
9mm is probably your best bet for cost effectiveness, ease of use, and availability. .22 is substantially cheaper (a box of 9mm is around 12 bucks or so here, and .22 is around 3-4) but the availability can really fucking suck sometimes. It's been a long time since the last ammo scare (where it all but disappears) and things still haven't really recovered around here.
yeah I knew somebody had I just...idk I won't explain my silly mental processes
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