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Meta-physical?
    #22363718 - 10/11/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What exactly does meta-physical mean? I honestly feel a little silly asking this but I don't entirely understand what it means.


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Re: Meta-physical? [Re: caman] * 1
    #22363785 - 10/11/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The term metaphysical originates with Aristotle's Metaphysics -- the term was coined by his editor in the first century, and it literally means "after the physics" or "after physics."  It generally refers to the whole realm of that which cannot be explained by the natural sciences, and which is outside of conventional experience.  Many scientists consider consciousness and the study of it to be metaphysical.  It includes the reality of being, which itself includes ontology, cosmology and epistemology.  Of course, there is cosmology in physics which would not be considered metaphysical.

Most of the spiritual subjects discussed in this forum would be considered metaphysical.  Ultimate causes and the essences of nature.


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Re: Meta-physical? [Re: caman] * 1
    #22364032 - 10/11/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

caman don't ask strangers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


most wonderful friend, whom i consider more dear. . . as much as space - time, vast as sky - beautiful as earth.


don't ask others - ask your heart only. :heart:


' the base of all metaphysics ' by beloved whitman, well worth looking up .



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Jacob.


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Re: Meta-physical? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22365403 - 10/11/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Meta-physical? [Re: enlightened seed] * 1
    #22365570 - 10/11/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:smile: I'll just post it here. . . why not? :smile:


The Base of all Metaphysics.

AND now, gentlemen,
A word I give to remain in your memories and minds,
As base, and finale too, for all metaphysics.

(So, to the students, the old professor,
At the close of his crowded course.)

Having studied the new and antique, the Greek and
Germanic systems,
Kant having studied and stated—Fichte and Schelling
and Hegel,
Stated the lore of Plato—and Socrates, greater than
Plato,
And greater than Socrates sought and stated—Christ
divine having studied long,
I see reminiscent to-day those Greek and Germanic
systems,
See the philosophies all—Christian churches and tenets
see,
Yet underneath Socrates clearly see—and underneath
Christ the divine I see,
The dear love of man for his comrade—the attraction
of friend to friend,
Of the well-married husband and wife—of children and
parents,
Of city for city, and land for land.



the next one is pretty sweet too. . . i'll post it in a journal. ok, the link came up here  'recorders ages hence' is that poem.


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Re: Meta-physical? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22366304 - 10/12/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
The term metaphysical originates with Aristotle's Metaphysics -- the term was coined by his editor in the first century, and it literally means "after the physics" or "after physics."  It generally refers to the whole realm of that which cannot be explained by the natural sciences, and which is outside of conventional experience.  Many scientists consider consciousness and the study of it to be metaphysical.  It includes the reality of being, which itself includes ontology, cosmology and epistemology.  Of course, there is cosmology in physics which would not be considered metaphysical.

Most of the spiritual subjects discussed in this forum would be considered metaphysical.  Ultimate causes and the essences of nature.




I agree with your answer for the most part, based on Aristotle as you say. But meta- etymologically refers to that which is 'beyond,' or even 'before,' ontologically speaking. My dissertation utilized a metapsychological stance, suggesting a psycho-spiritual reality that is prior to the different motives that the individual theorists attribute it.

Similarly, the meta- in metaphysics suggests that which transcends physics (or physis being 'nature' in Greek). The Aristotelian Absolute Cause which is the Ultimate Reality from which physis or nature originates, is what is metaphysical in the sense of being ontologically prior to physics. This makes sense even now with regard to The Mystery which is ontologically prior to the Big Bang event, Physics as we understand it didn't exist for a hypothesized 300,000 years after the event and the unknown plasmatic condition began to cool into protons and neutrons, prerequisite for atomic Hydrogen to eventually form. Maybe I'm just being difficult here. :shrug:


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Re: Meta-physical? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22367202 - 10/12/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay cool, I have a much better grasp & understanding now. Thanks to you all! :smile:


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