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Mr.PhilCybin
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what's the preferred extract tek?
#22363390 - 10/11/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've looked through lots of old posts, seen mixed reviews on just about all of them.
It's pretty straightforward,
mushroom powder into alcohol, soak, strain, reduce to desired volume.
I guess my biggest question is what's the preferred alcohol to use, and any quick tips for a first go?
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22363656 - 10/11/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've used 91% iso and made sure to evaporate it all off. Leaves nice crystals to eat or mix with other fluids. The stronger the alcohol the better. So if you can get some good moonshine or ever clear that would be ideal. Just pay close attention to how much mushroom you use and start your dosing conservatively
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Moldy thumb]
#22363670 - 10/11/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the crystals you get from an iso are just inactive salts.
only ethanol extracts work for an active application.
yeah I think I'm gonna try to find some EC.
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22363706 - 10/11/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where did you get that info?
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Moldy thumb]
#22363784 - 10/11/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22363931 - 10/11/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have read otherwise. That person my have inadvertently rendered their crystals inactive by over heating or other poor techniques but the crystals are most definitely active when properly extracted with any polar solvent. http://www.fanaticus.com/mycoalki.htm
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Moldy thumb]
#22366169 - 10/11/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought all that ended up being bs? I was going to try or with azure spawn. But the more research I did, the more bs I found. I tried doing it with ever clear and spawn but it was a huge pain in the ass to filter out.
I am super curious though. A friend of mine had some so called mushroom capsules. The does v was the size of two aspirin. She said it was a powder in a capsule. She says the guy she got them from said it was mushroom. Anyways, let us know how it turns out.
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: tahoe]
#22366173 - 10/11/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh yeah. The stuff I read later on said to use water, not alcohol/methanol. Maybe I am getting two teks confused
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: tahoe]
#22366308 - 10/12/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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methanol and water have the best solubility, but ethanol is still better than iso.
I ended up getting some 40-50% vodka, which should leave enough water available to get the goods.
I'll report back after I've tried it out
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Moldy thumb] 1
#22366311 - 10/12/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moldy thumb said: I have read otherwise. That person my have inadvertently rendered their crystals inactive by over heating or other poor techniques but the crystals are most definitely active when properly extracted with any polar solvent. http://www.fanaticus.com/mycoalki.htm
yeah, lots and lots of people have done that tek and ended up with nothing.
placebo is a hell of a drug man
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22366533 - 10/12/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any alcohol can work. I've done this several times quite effectively. I've used both 191 proof alcohol and denatured ethanol from the hardware store. It's a combination of ethanol and methanol. Heat in hot water bath for 3 hours. I used a crockpot on med to low. separate and extract 2 more times. Then evaporate the alcohol in front of a fan in a glass pan it leaves either a goo or flakes of brown crystals. It's a bit of a pain in the ass to scrape up the flakes but the goo is easier. You can also speed evaporation by applying heat but it must be low heat once again I used a crockpot but on keep warm. Worked well. Sped it up a lot too. Just don't leave it unattended on the heat.
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themadextractor said: Any alcohol can work. I've done this several times quite effectively. I've used both 191 proof alcohol and denatured ethanol from the hardware store. It's a combination of ethanol and methanol. Heat in hot water bath for 3 hours. I used a crockpot on med to low. separate and extract 2 more times. Then evaporate the alcohol in front of a fan in a glass pan it leaves either a goo or flakes of brown crystals. It's a bit of a pain in the ass to scrape up the flakes but the goo is easier. You can also speed evaporation by applying heat but it must be low heat once again I used a crockpot but on keep warm. Worked well. Sped it up a lot too. Just don't leave it unattended on the heat.
Did you grind up the mushrooms first? Extract what two more times? You never explained the process of the first time.
Are you saying to soak in water or alcohol?
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: tahoe]
#22367434 - 10/12/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My bad long day at work. Just put the basics up. Grind mushrooms to powder. Soak in the alcohol of choice. Admittedly I never tried isopropyl But it should work. Allow mushrooms to soak in the alcohol while applying heat for three hours stirring occasionally. Use enough alcohol to cover the shrooms and allow it to be stirred as a liquid Strain the shrooms from the alcohol and and filter sediments. Repeat process twice more. Then allow all the alcohol to evaporate off. If you have a big glass pan you can just let all of it evaporate in the pan but you may get a layer of goo/crystals on the walls. I let it evaporate half the amount of alcohol in the jar with a fan blowing into it. Dosing is a just a matter of dividing the final weight by the Number of grams used.
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Mr.PhilCybin
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I'm just gonna be getting it down to a tincture for my purposes, so as long as I can get down to like 1g/ml concentration, I'll be good 
thanks for chiming in
how potent is your final product?
I feel like you'd get a lot of oxidation with that method, and both psilo's are fairly unstable
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22367631 - 10/12/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Water>methanol>ethanol>isopropyl. Use water 212F for extraction for best results  Water is far superior to a y of the alcohols tho. The actives are slightly soluble in methanol
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22367795 - 10/12/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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water isn't gonna be the best vessel for my application though. I agree with you 100%
the idea is that it's a low enough proof alc that there should be plenty of water available for the actives to dwell in, but the alcohol should evap off to reduce volume, and also stabilize a bit since this won't just be chillin in the freezer for dosage
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22367995 - 10/12/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Make tea and add back in some alcohol if you wish to use that as the preservation but most would prefer ascorbic acid
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22368031 - 10/12/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you really wanted to get crazy with it I've heard of people having success with an AB extraction. Anyone else heard about this with psilocybin?
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Moldy thumb]
#22368126 - 10/12/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can't get a freebase from either. so AB wouldn't work
you could salt them out theoretically, but don't believe everything you read on the internet
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Re: what's the preferred extract tek? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22368181 - 10/12/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i made an extract back in augest and finally got around to trying it last weekend i took 7ml which i thought would equal 7g (it didnt) but i did have a nice experience id equate it to an 1/8 or so but it didnt make me sick like mushrooms always do so that in itself is a success for me anyways mine was made from ground mush->iso->evap->goo->60ml 151 rum to get the 1g/ml concentration i was hoping for(started with 60g) by my experiance tho id estimate 50% efficancy of the extraction overall with most oxidation occuring during the evap stage... but thats just a guess/IMO. i'm going to try again sometime maybe revise my process but as OP stated alot of conflicting information so its back to trial and error
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