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Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
    #22361639 - 10/11/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hi all,

I've come across a fascinating book that talks about high level spiritual things from a scientific perspective. This book is intriguing as it talks about many similar things to what people in mystical states mention such as seeing into parallel dimensions and interacting with beings from other worlds etc.

This book is called Zhuan Falun and it is from the Buddha Law School of Cultivation however it is not Buddhism the religion or Daoism the religion, it's something more profound. It seems to me to be more of a spiritual science as many of the terms and concepts in the book are talked about in a scientific down to earth manner instead of flowery mystical prose which I found very refreshing.

Now here is where it gets interesting, this book talks about the following things:


Other Dimensions - Levels Of Dimensions spanning into the microcosm and also outwards into the macrocosm

The Soul - It talks about people having a Master soul and a subordinate soul which is hidden from you but is at a more advanced level then you, it states some people have more then one Subordinate soul and some are of not of the same sex as you i.e males having a female subordinate soul etc.

Microcosmic Worlds - This concept was very far out but it talks about there being worlds within you, countless worlds. Similiar to our world with life , water, animals etc. An analogy is zooming an an atom within one of your cells and realizing at that level of magnification it is just like our solar system. Then zooming into a single particle in that world and finding out it too is a vast world, apparently the level it can go onwards like this is beyond imagination.

Supernatural Abilities - In the book they mention that everyone has them it is just that they have atrophied. It goes into depth about this topic. Some abilites that are mentioned are precognition, retrocognition and remote vision.

The 3rd Eye - Talks about how at the front part of our pineal gland there is a complete structure of an eye there. Modern science calls it a vestigial eye but in the cultivation world they say this eye just naturally exists like that and it can be activated allowing one to pierce through this dimension and see other dimensions. It talks about how there are many levels to this 3rd eye and it goes into great depth about it.

Thoughts - This part was amazing. It talks about how a human brain is just a processing plant. How the real you is actually your soul, it's like your whole body and brain is just a vehicle and that the true commands are issued by your master soul, but this master soul is very tiny and it can switch positions while inside you and it can also expand and shrink. It can move from your brain to your heart and to other parts of your body and it is 'he' who calls the shots. Your brain is just the factory which your master soul sends his cosmic commands to which then create the forms of expression and communication we use such as speech, gestures, etc.



These are just a few things that are covered but there are many many other things which blew my mind when I read it because of how it resonated with some of the mystical experiences people sometimes have, especially the multidimensional nature of reality and how all of them are hidden in our day to day perceptions of the world.

If this sounds interesting to anyone you can grab a copy of the book here:

http://en.falundafa.org/eng/pdf/zfl_new.pdf


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Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel) [Re: blackclo]
    #22365394 - 10/11/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

By this time in my life I have read so many books and followed so many teachers and heard so much that sounds like this stuff you are presenting here...the only thing I ever found that helps is just to sit still and watch and and maybe ask from time to time: What is this anyway? What's really going on?

If from time to time you can feel wonder, that is better than all this "knowledge" the various spiritual schools have on offer.

But, having said that, maybe you have to go through all that--reading books and following paths etc.-- before you can get to the simple way.


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Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel) [Re: champinhom]
    #24589528 - 08/29/17 11:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

This book is the core book of Falun Dafa, which is a cultivation practice that is actually far more ancient then Buddhism the religion. To understand how far this practice predates religions there is a section in Zhuan Falun entitled 'Qi Gong Is Part Of Prehistoric Culture' which talks about this in depth. This practice is actually something very profound and special.

From Zhuan Falun:

"Our Falun Dafa is one of the Buddhist system’s 84,000 disciplines. It’s never been passed on to the general public before during this period of civilization, but it did once save people on a large scale in a prehistoric age. Today I’m spreading it again widely during this final period of the kalpa’s end, so it’s just extremely precious."


Also the link to the book has been updated and can be now downloaded here:

http://en.falundafa.org/eng/pdf/ZFL2014.pdf


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Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel) [Re: blackclo]
    #24589931 - 08/30/17 02:33 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Salman Rushdie uses a variant of Qigongin his allegorical tale: Grimus

"The main ritual of the religion, which was only established after generations of poet-scientists worked on applications of the Theory, was the Spiral Dance. It was a physical exercise based on the primal rhythms, and its purpose was to enable every humble, imperfect living thing to aspire to that fundamental perfection. Dance the Dance, and you would commune with the Oneness surrounding you on all sides."
https://www.read33.com/grimus-salman-rushdie?page=0,40

"Amongst other influences Rushdie incorporates Sufi, Hindu, Christian and Norse mythologies..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimus


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Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #24636715 - 09/16/17 10:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Salman Rushdie uses a variant of Qigongin his allegorical tale: Grimus

"The main ritual of the religion, which was only established after generations of poet-scientists worked on applications of the Theory, was the Spiral Dance. It was a physical exercise based on the primal rhythms, and its purpose was to enable every humble, imperfect living thing to aspire to that fundamental perfection. Dance the Dance, and you would commune with the Oneness surrounding you on all sides."
https://www.read33.com/grimus-salman-rushdie?page=0,40

"Amongst other influences Rushdie incorporates Sufi, Hindu, Christian and Norse mythologies..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimus





Interesting Stuff. I feel there are many paths to the Truth and may methods and techniques to get there. I found a rather interesting Buddha Law Lecture excerpt from Mr Li Hongzhi where he talks about what the ancients called 'The Heavens'. They do tangibly exist albeit in other dimensions:

“I’ll address one other subject for you, something students can’t explain clearly in cultivation, namely, the “heavens” (tian). According to contemporary science, spaceships have travelled to outer space and flown to many other planets, but they haven’t seen any human beings or paradises of gods, nor were there the scenes of different heavens within the Three Realms that people have talked about. So modern people use this logic to reject religion, deny legends from the past, and negate the most essential nature of human beings.

Actually, the “heavens” that gods refer to isn’t at all the same concept as the heavens human beings see. I often say that molecules compose everything in this material dimension of human beings, while microcosmic matter is the reason for the composition of molecules, and layers of even more-microcosmic matter are the fundamental reasons for the composition of layers of particles at different levels. Gods are in extremely microcosmic worlds, which are nonetheless extremely vast worlds, broad spaces.

The microcosmic worlds and the dimensions formed in the microcosm that I have told you about in each lecture are where gods reside. Think about it: Gods… I mentioned the other day that things in the human dimension, such as air, matter, soil, rocks, iron and steel—everything in this dimension, including your body—are composed of molecules. Yet molecules are the coarsest, most superficial, and filthiest matter in the universe.

These molecules—actually, in the eyes of gods, all molecules—are seen as dirt and considered mud in the universe, and this is the understanding merely at the level of Tathagata. That’s why what was said in the past about Yahweh and N ü Wa using mud to create man was true.

It is because even your flesh is made of molecules, and in the eyes of gods, it’s mud, it’s dirt, and something that is most coarse. Then think about it, everyone: No matter how far spaceships may travel, have they flown beyond the realm of molecules? Say an airplane flies in the sky and you travel from Asia to America. You feel like you have flown rather high and quite far; the fact is, you are merely moving inside mounds of molecules and you are all moving on the ground—this isn’t the heavens in the least.

In the eyes of gods, it is only a matter of different long or short distances within substances of the same level. The dimensions composed of microcosmic worlds are the real heavens that gods refer to. The more refined and microcosmic a substance is, the more quintessential and refined the surface it composes.

Energy exists in all matter, including molecules. It is only because the human body and everything around you is composed of molecules—even the machines you use to measure that energy are also composed of molecules—that you can’t detect the energy of molecules. The more microcosmic the matter is, the more energy it has and the stronger its radioactive power is—the more microcosmic, the more powerful.

That is why gods’ energy and forms of existence are like that. So let me word it a bit more clearly for you: People on Earth see that the Moon, the Sun, Venus, Mars, as well as the MilkyWay, outer space, the remote cosmic bodies, and so on, are all in the heavens. But if you look at Earth from Mars, wouldn’t you say that it too is in the heavens? It’s in the heavens as well. This is an understanding that breaks through ordinary people’s ways of thinking.

But, understood at a deeper level—think about it—what are the heavens? Once you enter a microcosmic dimension, that is the heavens. Let me give the simplest example and tell you a story. In the past, there was a cultivator of the Dao walking on the street while drinking. He suddenly saw someone. This person was just who he had been looking for—someone who could cultivate the Dao. So he wanted to save this person and take him as his disciple.

He asked this person, “Do you want to follow me to cultivate the Dao?” This person’s enlightenment quality and inborn quality were very good, and he said, “I do.” “Do you dare to follow me?” the cultivator asked. The person replied, “Yes, I do!” “Do you dare to follow me wherever I go?” he then asked. “Yes,” was the reply.

The cultivator then said, “Okay. Now follow me!” Saying that, he put his palm-sized wine gourd on the ground, opened the lid, and jumped into the gourd. The person saw that his master had jumped in, so he imitated his master and likewise jumped into the gourd. The bystanders all leaned over and looked inside the gourd. “Wow!” they exclaimed.

There was a vast world inside the gourd, really vast. Viewed with human thinking, how could it be possible for a person so big to jump into such a small wine gourd? That’s because when you want to enter that dimension, everything of your body has to conform to the state of that dimension before you can enter. When you travel through the gaps between different dimensions, your body inevitably enters those states of being.

This is because the more microcosmic particles of matter are, the more vast and broad the planes are at their levels. At the levels of microcosmic particles, the way the gourd manifests is different from the form that human beings see; all particles are connected. What appears to be large or small to human beings is only a form of manifestation in the space-time formed by the same particles. That is to say, the surface of the gourd is formed by molecules, and that’s the shape you see, but the gourd in the microcosm isn’t like this. It is connected to the universe at that realm.

This is something that man cannot understand and that can’t be understood by human conceptions. So, having mentioned a person going up to the heavens, I can say that if you suddenly enter a stone, isn’t that going up to the heavens? It won’t do if you enter the surface formed by the stone substance. You enter the realms of the microcosmic particles that form its molecular particles— aren’t you going to the heavens? Aren’t you in the heavens if you shrink into the microcosmic levels of your body? When you enter the microcosmic particles of the surface particles of dimensions at any level—in other words, enter the layer of particles smaller than that one—you are already in the heavens.

It’s just that the levels of heavens are different, and the microcosmic degree is different. After you enter the microcosm, although you see that you enter the stone, enter your body, or enter a certain thing, you have actually entered the broad universe connected to that dimension. In other words, this isn’t the human way of thinking. I often say that what people refer to as east, west, south, or north, up, down, in, or out, doesn’t exist in the universe, and it’s different from human thinking and concepts. After I explain it like this you will understand, “Oh, it’s not at all like it is when you use human thinking to contemplate it.”

The present-day science is very shallow. It can’t detect or know the real heavens because it crawls within only the current material dimension, and this has limited it. And the science imposed upon man by aliens is thus confined to this. Aliens are living beings in this dimension as well, and they are similarly incapable of knowing the truth of the universe. Man does not believe in gods, and this is no simple problem.

It is man destroying human morality. When man believes in karmic retribution, believes that doing good deeds is rewarded and doing bad deeds meets with retribution, and that whatever man does is watched by gods, man then won’t dare to do evil things. Man knows that doing good deeds will accumulate virtue (de) and be rewarded with happiness, which is absolutely true. But man no longer believes these things; science nowadays doesn’t believe in them, and it considers them superstition. This is exactly swinging the club of science to strike at people’s righteous thinking. Isn’t this striking at the most essential nature of human beings?

When people’s morality, upright beliefs, and righteous thinking are destroyed to the point of nonexistence, people will recklessly do whatever they want to and will resort to any means to achieve their goals. This is one of the fundamental reasons for the deterioration of human society. People in Western society appear to believe in God, but they don’t really believe in God: What they truly believe in is science. Gods are not like what they have imagined, that is, beings with human emotions. Just now I corrected a key concept for you, namely, how “heavens” are to be understood. What gods and human beings mean when they each speak of “heavens” are two different things.

During the course of cultivation, many people sometimes see that they seem to have entered their own bodies. Their bodies are like a vast sky, they move in the sky and walk among the cosmic bodies, and doors are opened one after another as they dash forward. When they take a closer look or expand their minds one step further to take a look, they realize, “Oh, it’s the energy channels in my body being opened.” Let’s think about it. When you are cultivating, your bodies are being changed from the utmost microcosm on up.

So what is the utmost microcosm? Aren’t your other bodies precisely in the heavens and in those realms? It is only that you the person have fallen into the midst of ordinary people, and along with that, you have fallen to where ordinary people are; even the part that’s the most microcosmic has dropped to the level of ordinary people.

However, if you can return through cultivation, everything will be rectified for you, so you will go through that experience. Many cultivators in history have seen those phenomena [that I just described], but they weren’t able to describe it. Sometimes those in the Buddhist religion say that Buddha is in one’s mind, while people in the Dao school say that the human body is a small universe, and so on, and this has to do with their having seen such things.”




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Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel) [Re: blackclo]
    #24636946 - 09/17/17 01:41 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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When man believes in karmic retribution, believes that doing good deeds is rewarded...(Wine/Virtue)




LOL. To extend the effective life of a constructive instrument the rewards of exercise, fruit, vegetables and water may not align with our Earthly concepts of a blessing.


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    #25265272 - 06/13/18 09:50 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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When man believes in karmic retribution, believes that doing good deeds is rewarded...(Wine/Virtue)




LOL. To extend the effective life of a constructive instrument the rewards of exercise, fruit, vegetables and water may not align with our Earthly concepts of a blessing.




In many cultivation ways they believe that Karmik retribution for wrongdoing is a very real thing. Master Li Hongzhi spoke about Karma in a little more detail in one of his Buddha Law lectures, here is the excerpt:

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“What mankind considers good may not be good. It is entirely the other way round. You see that it is daytime on our side, but it is dark on the other side. What you consider correct may not be correct. Why is it? I will tell everyone a simple principle. Everyone knows that it is not good when people suffer or you will not feel comfortable and good if someone bullies you. I am telling everyone that it is a good thing when one suffers a little pain and experiences a little hardship! You see what I am telling you is indeed different. Why? It is because this principle is totally reversed when viewed from a high-level dimension.

They believe that being a human being is not an aim for man. If you suffer a little hardship in human society and repay the karma you owe from your previous lifetimes, you will be able to return to a higher dimension. You may even return to the place where your life was created, the most wonderful place. Even if you are unable to move up, you will also have fewer tribulations in the next lifetime because your karma has diminished.

However, if you do not repay the karma that you owe, you will not be able to go to a high-level paradise. It is just like the principle that I talk about. If this bottle is filled with dirty things, no matter how tightly you screw the lid, "Dong", it will immediately sink when it is thrown into the water. If you pour out a little bit of the dirty things inside, it will float up a little bit. If you pour out a bit more, the bottle will float up a bit more. The more it is poured out, after you put the lid on, the more you will find that you will not be able to push it down even if you press it, and it will float up by itself. It is just like our human beings practicing cultivation.

Throughout your lifetimes, which is to say, during each of your lives, each of your lifetimes, you might have all bullied someone, deceived someone, or harmed someone or killed someone, etc. Perhaps, you did something even worse. Then, you will have to repay such karma that you owed. There is a principle in this universe, which is called: No loss, no gain. To gain, you must lose. What is owed must be repaid. If it is not repaid in this lifetime, it will be done in the next lifetime. It is definitely this way. When a person suffers now, he will consider it an accident, and think that others are not being fair to him or others are not being good.

I am telling you that none of these are accidental, and they are all caused by the karma you owed in the past. If you do not have karma, as you walk on the street, everyone will smile when they see you. People you do not know will all offer to serve you, and you will be just too comfortable! However, such a person will definitely not be living in the human dimension, and he should have returned to heaven. Human beings are just the way they are. Because people have karma, they will never be able to move up in cultivation if their thoughts are not purified. It is the same principle as I mentioned earlier.

It is not a bad thing for people to suffer a little bit and to have a little tribulation. By facing a little tribulation, you will repay the karma. You will really go to a wonderful place and never again suffer hardship. No matter how happily you live in the human society, with millions of dollars at home, or however high your rank is in office, it will be just for a few decades and will soon be over. Please think about your reincarnation. You come with nothing on your body and you leave with nothing on your body.

What can you take with you? You cannot take anything with you. Who do you leave things to? You think that you have left them to your descendants. However, next time when you are born again, they will not know who you are.

If you go to work for them or sweep the floor for them, they may not be kind to you nor may they pay you an extra penny. It is truly this way! Man simply can’t see it.
Here we are talking about the essential principles of human life. Think about it, when we suffer pains, when others bully you, when others cause you trouble, or when you lose some material interest, in my view it may not necessarily be a bad thing.

Because there is a principle in this universe that those who do not lose do not gain; in order to gain, one must lose. There is also another characteristic that if you gain, but do not lose, it will force you to lose. This is a characteristic of the universe. Every substance in the vast universe is a life. Every substance is made up of Zhen, Shan, Ren (truthfulness, compassion, forbearance).

Therefore, for any object such as a rock, iron and steel, air, any man-made product or substance, their microscopic components are all matter made of this characteristic of Zhen-Shan-Ren. This vast universe is composed of Zhen-Shan-Ren, which balances everything in the universe. When someone hits another person, swears at someone, bullies someone, or causes pain to another person, he feels very happy for he is the gaining party. An ordinary person tells him, "You are really something! Great!" He has not lost anything. However, I think that he has lost quite a lot. Why is that? When he does something bad, he is the party that has gained.

He has bullied another person, which counts as having gained. Then, he must lose something. Because what the other person got was pain and suffering, this other person has indeed lost happiness. Consequently, this other person should gain something. How does he gain? If you punch him or say a scolding word to him, an equal amount of white matter proportional to how badly you scolded him or punched him will fly away from the area surrounding your body. This matter is called De (virtue).

It will land on the other party, on the body of the other person. Then again, the other party is also a human being, and he may not understand this principle. "You punched me." He is furious. When he gets angry, he is in fact pushing back this De. When he punches back at the person or swears at him, he is tossing this De back again. They get even with each other, and nobody has got anything. The principles of the Fa in the universe are fair.”





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Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel) [Re: blackclo]
    #25265513 - 06/13/18 12:03 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Should I place everybody in the position of perpetual opponent while balancing the prospect that I am at perpetual disadvantage? My answer is "No", therefore it is not better to have loved (be  at an advantage) and lost (be at a disadvantage) than never to have been at an advantage at all.

Advantages are short-lived in opponent based situations.

Situations can be examined therefor from perspectives other than that of personal advantage within them.

For example the advantage of a bicyclist over a pedestrian only exists in competition. A pedestrian is not at a disadvantage when the bicyclist is not viewed as an adversary.

Disadvantage is part and parcel of an adversarial perspective.


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Re: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #25726876 - 01/06/19 10:22 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

Just a quick bump for those who may have missed this profound book.

Also the book has been updated with a more precise translation from the original Chinese language. You can get it here:

http://falundafa.org/eng/eng/pdf/Zhuan-Falun-2018.pdf


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    #25726896 - 01/06/19 10:36 AM (5 years, 24 days ago)

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Jests got dementions however just as ant men we have souls matching in both gender

Those things in Zelda I think you can remeber those eyes from stone once touched attacked


Those were real in the bigger picture


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