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Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped
    #22361512 - 10/11/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The whole gangster/drug-running angle has been done to death, so when I heard great stuff about the show, I was expecting something cutting edge and raw.

I watched about 30 minutes or so, and it just screams anti-coke propaganda.

I've never done coke, but the research that they cite about rats is dated and it's been debunked.

And then when they show a DEA officer being distraught about shooting a teenager (give me a fuckin break), it just seemed like they were trying too hard to make him seem like he gave a shit, when lets be honest, I know people in law enforcement. They really don't give a shit.

And then the DEA officer just happens to be married to a woman who works in the ER and sees someone dying from swallowing a coke bag (again, preaching to people coke is bad, this is what happens when you run coke, Pablo is bad, look how coke is ruining lives). I turned it off right there.

The other thing I can't stand is the narrative. In writing, this style of storytelling is exactly what they tell writers not to do. You're supposed to "show," not "tell," but the whole time, you have a narrator who's "telling" nonstop, holding our hands, basically treating viewers like idiots, instead of crafting an immersive world.

This seems like the Disney version of Pablo Escobar's story, and I'm surprised people are going gaga over this sterilized turd.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: cinderblock]
    #22361527 - 10/11/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I never seen the show but:

Is it completely impossible for a DEA or Law Enforcement Agent to feel bad? COMPLETELY Impossible?

Maybe the data was inaccurate because it takes place in the 80's. Inaccurate data usually comes from not knowing all the information about something, kind of like when people turn of a show half way through, and don't watch a second episode.

So who cares, they have the DEA Officer married to a person in the ER. Not everything can be 100% realistic because they gotta tell a story.

So you don't like the way the narrative is going. I mean, you did watch it for only 30 minutes, which I feel is not enough time to judge something fairly, but fair enough. This is the only real piece of valid criticism in your whole post, really, and technically, this criticism just reveals a personal taste achieved over 30 minutes.

Overall, I give your review 2.9/10.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22361540 - 10/11/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

all i gotta say is you only watched 30min of it. its a good show.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: cinderblock]
    #22361541 - 10/11/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

haters gon hate :whatyougonnado:

i'm looking forward to season 2


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: zZZz]
    #22361542 - 10/11/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whatyougonnado:
:whatyougonnado::whatyougonnado:
:whatyougonnado::whatyougonnado::whatyougonnado:
:whatyougonnado::whatyougonnado::whatyougonnado::whatyougonnado:


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Psychedelics yummy] * 1
    #22361546 - 10/11/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22361588 - 10/11/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Apollyphelion said:
I never seen the show but:

Is it completely impossible for a DEA or Law Enforcement Agent to feel bad? COMPLETELY Impossible?

Maybe the data was inaccurate because it takes place in the 80's. Inaccurate data usually comes from not knowing all the information about something, kind of like when people turn of a show half way through, and don't watch a second episode.

So who cares, they have the DEA Officer married to a person in the ER. Not everything can be 100% realistic because they gotta tell a story.

So you don't like the way the narrative is going. I mean, you did watch it for only 30 minutes, which I feel is not enough time to judge something fairly, but fair enough. This is the only real piece of valid criticism in your whole post, really, and technically, this criticism just reveals a personal taste achieved over 30 minutes.

Overall, I give your review 2.9/10.




The data is inaccurate, because even if it's the 80s, the narrator exists in the present.

It's not impossible for a DEA agent to feel distraught, but there's no point in it from a storytelling standpoint to go out of the way and show a rare behavior, unless there's an agenda behind it >>> DEA people are people who cry over everybody who dies, drug runners are evil.

30 minutes into it, and already, there's outdated data skewing cocaine's effect on people, and the focus is on how humane DEA agents are and how evil Pablo is.

I get Pablo is evil. DEA is just as fucked up. You need to be stone cold to work in a field like the DEA, willing to stoop as low as the bad guys, if not lower. That's just a fact. You can't be this mopey guy who cries everytime somebody dies. The fact that they're going out of their way just 30 mins into the show to portray the DEA guy with this angelic halo above his head further serves to discredit the accuracy and objectivity of the show.

To me, it feels forced. I don't mind if the DEA guy cries at some point or whatever, but it needs to be organic, and it needs to be merited, and that could only happen with strong writing. But 30 minutes, and they're just shoving outdated data down our throats, narrating the story the whole time because they'd rather explain than actually write believable portrayals of the people it's based off, etc etc., poor writing, cliched "drugs-are-bad-m'kay" angle... it's 2015. Give me something cutting edge and real. Not this sterilized crap by the writers of Coach.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: cinderblock]
    #22361616 - 10/11/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That show is really good. I don't know why your sitting at home analyzing a drama series for documentary accuracy but maybe you should lay off the cocaine.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Gorlax]
    #22361644 - 10/11/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd agree with you most of the time, but media perpetuation of drug misinformation compounds the drug war.  Do we really need the general public to be given more DARE-style anti-drug perspectives that aren't even realistic?  I mean, look how many people out there for the longest time (and still some do) believed that a cop has to tell you they're a cop if you ask them, otherwise it's entrapment.  That shit started in the media.  A good narrative will always beat out a good fact.  Example:  The Bible.

EDIT:  Haven't watched the show yet but I've heard a lot of good things.  Guess I'll check it out a bit and get back to this thread with a more informed opinion.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #22361696 - 10/11/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't even know what misinformation is being talked about. The drug isn't really perpetuated as evil as much as OP is saying. The whole thing is really about Pablo Escobar and his life and how he basically started Narco Terrorism. You have to watch it to understand that it isn't so anti drug it just so happens to be about one of the worlds craziest and biggest drug kingpins.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Gorlax]
    #22361704 - 10/11/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, i still don't remember the mass amounts of anti coke propaganda that op's describing.

it doesn't even really matter because like he said, hes only seen 30 minutes of the whole series.

didn't even begin to start it :shrug:


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Psychedelics yummy]
    #22361706 - 10/11/15 03:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My rule for T.V. shows if you don't like it after 3-5 episodes, toss it.
For movies, if it doesn't get better or come together after 30-45 minutes, turn it off.
For music, if you are still bored by the song 30 seconds to 1 minute in, change it.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22361731 - 10/11/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you do know that that DEA agent IRL is REALLY crooked and did some messed up shit.

Its called character development. After a few episodes he starts turning crooked "in order to get the job done"

You really seemed biased against the show. The narrator only explains the IRL events and the backstory, he doesnt really delve into the actually story that much. I thought it did quite a good job showing things compared to most shows.

There is no anit coke propaganda aswell. Its pretty neutral.

I think you just WANTED to hate this for whatever reason.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #22361860 - 10/11/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you people who like TV shows have no lives

get a life people

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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 1
    #22361862 - 10/11/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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you people who like TV shows have no lives

get a life people

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You have no idea what you are talking about.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Apollyphelion] * 1
    #22361864 - 10/11/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

fite me then


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #22361915 - 10/11/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I watched the season. Typically I cannot make it through a few episodes to get into a series.

I was able to watch all 10 of Narcos so I rate it slightly better than avg.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Confucian]
    #22362034 - 10/11/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Haven't watched Narco's yet, although I recognise your reaction. When everyone was hyped about "24" I tried to watch it. I just couldn't do it. I managed three episodes. If I could've become physically sick from a show, I would've hurled!


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: AkaAlias]
    #22362082 - 10/11/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't feel like reading the captions, so I stopped watching it


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #22362157 - 10/11/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I thought it was a pretty good show. Probably not 100% historically accurate but it's meant to be entertainment.




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And then the DEA officer just happens to be married to a woman who works in the ER and sees someone dying from swallowing a coke bag (again, preaching to people coke is bad, this is what happens when you run coke, Pablo is bad, look how coke is ruining lives). I turned it off right there.




Yeah the coincidence of his wife seeing it was fairly implausible, but it's not like it's impossible for cocaine mules to OD and die when something goes wrong (although apparently there are a lot of cases where they get medical treatment and survive.) Seems like deaths are a lot more common with opiate smuggling.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: psi]
    #22362174 - 10/11/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A lot of it is historically accurate, that part about kiki the DEA agent, completely true. They left out the worst parts though, like how the hired doctors to pump him full of drugs to keep him conscious and alive during his torture.


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Re: Just watched 30 mins of Narcos and stopped [Re: cinderblock]
    #22363366 - 10/11/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nah it's pretty good show.Artistically its nothing new, but still its pretty good.
Sure it makes coke look bad, but any reality based story about cartels would... because cartels are awful :shrug:
And of course it wont demonize the DEA, how would that get made in today's world?


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