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LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics)
    #22360641 - 10/10/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I did 1 Table spoon per 250ml of water. I think it was too much honey as its very brown and it looks like theres a few clumps of caramel, and thats after stirrering it with a magnetic stirrer.

Should  I scratch this and redo, if so, how much ML of water per Tablespoon of Honey



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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: candela]
    #22361069 - 10/10/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Way too much honey IMO. I've never done a LC, I went to agar first, and have never looked back.

Are you planning to drop some spore solution in there? If so, it's a really bad idea.

Contaminates can easily hide within the LC, and you'll never know until you transfer to grains.

Have you heard of Pasty's agar tek. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976 It'll put those spores to good use! :super:


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22361292 - 10/10/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i worked  with lc a long time ago. agar is definitely more ease of mind. knowing theres nothing in there. but yeahh... waaaay to much i think. i always used vanilla karo syrup. 2 heaping table spoons per quart. an even one for pints. and it looks like you over cooked it. how did you cook it?

EDIT: and my quarts were at 8-900ml


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22361866 - 10/11/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I made my first LC a few days ago but the tek I used said that browning comrs from overcooking.

Try weighing the honey for good ratio. Its what I did and mine looks fine. Used it on jars already and they seem to be doing great


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22361992 - 10/11/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Was it that brown before you cooked it?
Could just be that its over cooked, and the color is from the Carmel in solution.

I think I only used honey once or twice years and years ago at about that ratio. I switched to karo shortly after, with better success.


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: candela]
    #22362032 - 10/11/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I do 2 teaspoons for 400 mL. PC for 15 min. depending on the original color of your honey, it looks like you PCd for too long


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: shr]
    #22362239 - 10/11/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah that is a caramelized mess. Too rich as well. I like LC as much as the next guy but sugar LC sux in my opinion. Personally the only sugar LC I would even consider doing again is SITR but even that is weak compared to malt extract. I really like grain water LC tho care must be taken with proper sterilization. I plan to give potato LC a run here soon.

Honey and karo LC never performs well for me.


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22362349 - 10/11/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

this ones karo.



iv got it goin right now. it does ok. im cooking up some grain lc later today to try. i use lc cuz thats what im familiar with from back in the day. i fid it so easy to use. heres a few jars from it.




lc has its uses IMO:shrug:


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22362561 - 10/11/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wow nice clean growth you got going on there! :thumbup:

What recipe do you use for your cakes, the mix looks a bit lighter than what I've seen before. Did you add supplements? The mycelium is lovin it! :woot:


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22362594 - 10/11/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

just your standard 2:1:1 verm water brf mix. the brf was semi-coarse brown rice i ground.

the lc was made from an agar wedge so i knew i was inoculating with clean stuff. :smile:


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22362758 - 10/11/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You only need a tiny amount of sugars, Workman recommends just 0.1-0.5%

Most use 10+ times that.

If useing honey I would suggest boiling it first and letting it settle in the fridge, then carefully pour off the top layer leaving any cloudy stuff at the bottom.


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22362778 - 10/11/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome! I might try making a LC, I have fully colonized agar plates just sitting around. I'll transfer a wedge out and see how it goes. Just gotta make sure I have proper sterile techniques. I know LC's are easy to contaminate.

Do your jars have any GE holes on the lid?

I've heard from a few people that it isn't necessary with LC's :shrug:


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22363253 - 10/11/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no. just 2 SHIPs. to relieve  pressure after cooking and while drawing lc syringes i use a 3ml syringe stuffed tight with poly fill then pc'd to sterility. i use that a few dozen times and ill throw it back in the pc again. :tongue:

its not really necessary but im sure it adds a bit of vigor. i think the polyfill syringe does good at allowing enough exchange for good growth but doesnt oeave it open for potential contam all the time.


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22363271 - 10/11/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That sounds like a real pain when you could just use a whatman filter. They are not expensive and last a long time.


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22363291 - 10/11/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen those filters before. I'll have to pick me up some soon! :awesomenod:


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22363441 - 10/11/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You could also just use SFD's for gas exchange. Whatman's are pricey in my experience.


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: MoxyOx]
    #22363477 - 10/11/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

whatever works for ya. to each his own as long as it gives consistent positive results. :shrug:


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: MoxyOx]
    #22363497 - 10/11/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

MoxyOx said:
You could also just use SFD's for gas exchange. Whatman's are pricey in my experience.




Whatman are waterproof and cost a couple bucks at most. A dozen should be enough for ten years.


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22363532 - 10/11/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i use that cus thats what i was taught by the ole man who got me started years ago. and id seen home made lids. i just worried about the wetness/waterproof factor. but those whatman do look easier. got a link for the best quality/price, or recomended vendor?


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Re: LC- Too much Honey in the Water? (pics) [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22363655 - 10/11/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

OP is at about 6% sugar which is acceptable.  I'd give it a whirl.

"whatmans are water proof"  I don't understand this statement, whatmans are designed to filter water/liquid from a syringe.  They are designed to have liquid pass through them.


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