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Putin calls US on creating ISIS * 2
    #22359750 - 10/10/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This is a great video. Putin extends an olive branch to the US, whilst simultaneously chastising the US government for its imperialist approach to the Middle East, and its role in creating ISIS.



I have to say, I really like Putin on the surface.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22360080 - 10/10/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22360120 - 10/10/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oy, such a mess. :facepalm3:


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22364862 - 10/11/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #22368025 - 10/12/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We never intended to defeat ISIS. Russia does, and probably to show the world that he American military is composed of a bunch of lying fucking jackoffs.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22368197 - 10/12/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We never intended to defeat ISIS. Russia does, and probably to show the world that he American military is composed of a bunch of lying fucking jackoffs.




Of course we didn't, it was Obama's plan all along to let them grow and fester, eventually making their way here to impose the caliphate on us infidels...


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22368337 - 10/12/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We never intended to defeat ISIS. Russia does, and probably to show the world that he American military is composed of a bunch of lying fucking jackoffs.




Of course we didn't, it was Obama's plan all along to let them grow and fester, eventually making their way here to impose the caliphate on us infidels...





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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22368421 - 10/12/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We never intended to defeat ISIS. Russia does, and probably to show the world that he American military is composed of a bunch of lying fucking jackoffs.




Of course we didn't, it was Obama's plan all along to let them grow and fester, eventually making their way here to impose the caliphate on us infidels...




... you just... can't help but go there... can you?

Lmao!


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22368715 - 10/12/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We never intended to defeat ISIS. Russia does, and probably to show the world that he American military is composed of a bunch of lying fucking jackoffs.




Of course we didn't, it was Obama's plan all along to let them grow and fester, eventually making their way here to impose the caliphate on us infidels...




Ok, I thought you were on your way to making an insightful post but then you put it in a headlock and snuffed it out.


We're (directly or indirectly) helping ISIS because they're giving us an excuse to continue dominating the region as well as oust any unfriendly leaders that are left.

Not because Obama wants the US living under an extremist Sunni caliphate.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22368768 - 10/12/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the last few minutes of that vid seemed like Putin was begging America to let Russia be co-champs of the world again.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22369740 - 10/12/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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the last few minutes of that vid seemed like Putin was begging America to let Russia be co-champs of the world again.




Lmao... I got that vibe too. Maybe the US and Russia can dominate everyone else, together, like brothers... in a gang.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22371939 - 10/13/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just like alqaeda, Isis is a fabrication of the US for the never ending war on terror. Just like the endless wars on drugs they need to constantly create an enemy to sell the terror war to the masses. Luckily they have abused this to the pint of the public realizing this manipulation


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Maroon]
    #22371947 - 10/13/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Just like alqaeda, Isis is a fabrication of the US for the never ending war on terror. Just like the endless wars on drugs they need to constantly create an enemy to sell the terror war to the masses. Luckily they have abused this to the pint of the public realizing this manipulation



why does ISIS want to destroy Murcia then?  talk about bite the hand that feeds you.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Kinko]
    #22371963 - 10/13/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's just the narrative. They're the evil boogey that will do anything to radicalize and attack the US. Sure.... Where did we hear this one? Ahh yeah with those guys who demolished three steel buildings with two planes into the path of most resistance (impossibility) .... Oh yea the US created alqaeda

It's like this. The US and allies like Israel benefit from unrest in the Middle East currently. So they create a faction that not only gives an excuse to deploy arms and drones to these nations. Then these factions can be manipulated to serve multiple purposes at the same time. Notice how Isis is used to combat Russian and Iranian interests as well as serving as the looming false flag boogey man to justify things in the US.

It's rather genius on their part but unfortunately for them they have used these narratives too often and have really diluted their effectiveness. And now people are discussing these lies and manipulation and using to educate themselves on the reality of the matters.


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Maroon]
    #22371988 - 10/13/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

nope IS is a real thing. they are taking cities and operating as a state. probably abt ten years ago you were absolutely correct but not anymore.

also IS is not combatting russian or iranian interest, Russia has inserted itself to support Assad, gaining a syrian ally and closing in on another nato state, and also now that sanctions have been lifted on Iran getting them a little closer to them. What's going to be interesting is what happens to the land that is Iraq, if Russian ends FSA and starts battling from the northwest and Iran sends more troops thru the eastern side, I'm not so sure if Russia wouldn't make a grab for power there.

there was one force battling IS, Rojava, the YPG, too bad turkey got scared and restarted it's own guerrilla war to put a stop to the kurds advancements.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: airclay]
    #22372017 - 10/13/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

IS of course is a real entity. However clearly they have US origins and McClain has admitted so. No they're not fighting Russians, rather fighting Russians interests and allies it's clear that much Isis propaganda has west originations.

I mean look at the botched Charlie hebdo false flag. And they constantly warn the next 9/11 will be from Isis. Hmmm rather convenient


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Maroon]
    #22372448 - 10/13/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You're mixing a lot of gop media w world happenings  You have peaked my interest but even as a lefty o find it hard to believe as an al quada false flag


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: airclay]
    #22373120 - 10/13/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're mixing a lot of gop media w world happenings  You have peaked my interest but even as a lefty o find it hard to believe as an al quada false flag




I wouldn't call ISIS a false flag. They are useful for American interests, so we won't destroy them.

There are other mercenary groups that we have paid to fight for our interests in the middle east also. Russia apparently attacked some of those groups. Russia was attacking terrorists, but their terrorism is sanctioned by the US, therefore America doesn't want Russia attacking them.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22373144 - 10/13/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're mixing a lot of gop media w world happenings  You have peaked my interest but even as a lefty o find it hard to believe as an al quada false flag




I wouldn't call ISIS a false flag. They are useful for American interests, so we won't destroy them.

There are other mercenary groups that we have paid to fight for our interests in the middle east also. Russia apparently attacked some of those groups. Russia was attacking terrorists, but their terrorism is sanctioned by the US, therefore America doesn't want Russia attacking them.




Wait, did you just call Obama a terrorist?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22373295 - 10/13/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22373310 - 10/13/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're mixing a lot of gop media w world happenings  You have peaked my interest but even as a lefty o find it hard to believe as an al quada false flag




I wouldn't call ISIS a false flag. They are useful for American interests, so we won't destroy them.

There are other mercenary groups that we have paid to fight for our interests in the middle east also. Russia apparently attacked some of those groups. Russia was attacking terrorists, but their terrorism is sanctioned by the US, therefore America doesn't want Russia attacking them.




Wait, did you just call Obama a terrorist?




I actually consider the US military's actions to have been of 'terrorist' nature for a very long time. We don't call it that because it's 'different' when the US does things.

No, I don't consider Obama personally to be a terrorist. This goes back a long way. We've done a lot of terrorism in South America, and Vietnam, in my mind.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22373384 - 10/13/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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But he's still a Muslim, right?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22376570 - 10/14/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're mixing a lot of gop media w world happenings  You have peaked my interest but even as a lefty o find it hard to believe as an al quada false flag




I wouldn't call ISIS a false flag. They are useful for American interests, so we won't destroy them.

There are other mercenary groups that we have paid to fight for our interests in the middle east also. Russia apparently attacked some of those groups. Russia was attacking terrorists, but their terrorism is sanctioned by the US, therefore America doesn't want Russia attacking them.




Wait, did you just call Obama a terrorist?




I actually consider the US military's actions to have been of 'terrorist' nature for a very long time. We don't call it that because it's 'different' when the US does things.

No, I don't consider Obama personally to be a terrorist. This goes back a long way. We've done a lot of terrorism in South America, and Vietnam, in my mind.




I consider the actions of the government to be terrorist, not the military.  And Dog Shit Obama is a terrorist for his complacency in the brutalization of the middle east by ISIS.


By the way, I believe the Iraqi air force hit a convoy with with leader of ISIS inside, but they are keeping it hush, dont know if he was killed.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22376945 - 10/14/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good video.  :thumbup:

I agree, the US hasn't seemed too interested in fighting IS, and now we act upset that Russia is doing it for us on their dollar.

It appears that since land can no longer be acquired by force per the UN charter, the US is now trying to influence/determine foreign leadership, rather than accepting elected leaders who don't kiss our ass.


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    #22378889 - 10/14/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Good video.  :thumbup:

I agree, the US hasn't seemed too interested in fighting IS, and now we act upset that Russia is doing it for us on their dollar.

It appears that since land can no longer be acquired by force per the UN charter, the US is now trying to influence/determine foreign leadership, rather than accepting elected leaders who don't kiss our ass.




That was the motive behind Iraq, I believe. I believe Saddam Hussein was going to start trading oil under a different currency than the USD, which would weaken the dollar. I'd have to double check that little factoid though.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22378994 - 10/14/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That was the motive behind Iraq, I believe. I believe Saddam Hussein was going to start trading oil under a different currency than the USD, which would weaken the dollar. I'd have to double check that little factoid though.



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    #22379065 - 10/14/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That was the motive behind Iraq, I believe. I believe Saddam Hussein was going to start trading oil under a different currency than the USD, which would weaken the dollar. I'd have to double check that little factoid though.



You are correct.




Hmm, maybe saddam should have complied with UN sanctions, then the us wouldn't have invaded, lol, what a dumbass...

And China has been hinting at dumping the dollar too, I wonder when we'll invade...


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22379237 - 10/14/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hmm, maybe saddam should have complied with UN sanctions, then the us wouldn't have invaded, lol, what a dumbass...



It's not Iraq's job to comply with UN sanctions (maybe you're confused about the term?)

And if you meant they should have complied with UN resolutions, it turns out Iraq never did have WMDs.


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    #22380018 - 10/14/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hmm, maybe saddam should have complied with UN sanctions, then the us wouldn't have invaded, lol, what a dumbass...



It's not Iraq's job to comply with UN sanctions (maybe you're confused about the term?)

And if you meant they should have complied with UN resolutions, it turns out Iraq never did have WMDs.




Then Why did they refuse to allow inspectors???

And yes, eventually they did find wmd's, not the kind libs would want of course, but they were there


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22381346 - 10/14/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And yes, eventually they did find wmd's, not the kind libs would want of course, but they were there



There's not a liberal and conservative definition of weapons of mass destruction.  This guy seems to clearly understand the definition, and he's not liberal:



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Hmm, maybe saddam should have complied with UN sanctions, then the us wouldn't have invaded, lol, what a dumbass...



It's not Iraq's job to comply with UN sanctions (maybe you're confused about the term?)

And if you meant they should have complied with UN resolutions, it turns out Iraq never did have WMDs.




Then Why did they refuse to allow inspectors???

And yes, eventually they did find wmd's, not the kind libs would want of course, but they were there




Are you defending the war in Iraq? Jesus Christ dude... You must listen to Rush daily, hmm? lmao


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22382158 - 10/15/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I actually don't defend the war in Iraq, I know it was a mistake, but at the time, it seemed like the right thing to do, even most democrats voted for it... It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback,

What I was refuting was the absurd idea we invaded because they traded oil in the euro...


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22382369 - 10/15/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes the oil thing had a lot to do with it as well as many pre existing agendas to destabilize this region. It's seems a lot of our recent past foreign policy has directly benefitted Israel. Seems like quite a coincidence.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22382618 - 10/15/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What I was refuting was the absurd idea we invaded because they traded oil in the euro...



It's not absurd at all.  After 9/11, most of our efforts were focused on Iraq rather than Afghanistan.  Insiders like Richard Clarke explained that the administration desperately tried to find a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.



What was the obsession with Iraq?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22383665 - 10/15/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What about Saudi Arabia? They have an oppressive islamic government. Almost every single one of the 9/11 bombers was a Saudi... We've never even talked about going after them! Why? Because OIL! lmao


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22383781 - 10/15/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It appears that since land can no longer be acquired by force per the UN charter, the US is now trying to influence/determine foreign leadership, rather than accepting elected leaders who don't kiss our ass.




Uhh yeah welcome to 1946 :lol:


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22392638 - 10/17/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone find it odd how many of these recent "terror" events that have suspicious and false flag like markers benefit Israel's political regime?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Maroon]
    #22392913 - 10/17/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone find it odd how many of these recent "terror" events that have suspicious and false flag like markers benefit Israel's political regime?




Nope, care to explain?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22403811 - 10/19/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Many of the major Terror events involving western nations have directly benefitted and or indirectly benefitted for Israels gain. No one likes to discuss the Israeli involvement of 9/12 etc.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22404132 - 10/19/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What I was refuting was the absurd idea we invaded because they traded oil in the euro...



It's not absurd at all.  After 9/11, most of our efforts were focused on Iraq rather than Afghanistan.  Insiders like Richard Clarke explained that the administration desperately tried to find a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.



What was the obsession with Iraq?




I think you're referring to General Wesley Clark, but valid point nonetheless.

Hell, there are emails from the Hillary server cache that show GWB and Tony Blair talking Iraq strategy back in 2002.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22404334 - 10/19/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hell, there are emails from the Hillary server cache that show GWB and Tony Blair talking Iraq strategy back in 2002




You mean before we invaded? Shocking... I suppose the liberal/socialist/progressive way would be to discuss strategy after they invade...LMFAO!


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22404446 - 10/19/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I think you're referring to General Wesley Clark, but valid point nonetheless.



I was referring to Richard Clark, but there were many others who said the same.  Here's what Richard Clark said:

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On September 12th, I left the video conferencing center and there, wandering alone around the situation room, was the president. He looked like he wanted something to do. He grabbed a few of us and closed the door to the conference room. “Look,” he told us, “I know you have a lot to do and all, but I want you, as soon as you can, to go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he’s linked in any way.”

I was once again taken aback, incredulous, and it showed. “But, Mr. President, Al Qaeda did this.”

“I know, I know, but - see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred-”

“Absolutely, we will look-again.” I was trying to be more respectful, more responsive. “But you know, we have looked several times for state sponsorship of Al Qaeda and not found any real linkages to Iraq. Iran plays a little, as does Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, Yemen.”

“Look into Iraq, Saddam,” the president said testily and left us.




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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22409032 - 10/20/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I remember seeing these quotes but for whatever reason I always attributed them to General Clark's.

Probably because he had a similar experience:



Thank you for clarifying :thumbup:


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22409190 - 10/20/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I remember seeing these quotes but for whatever reason I always attributed them to General Clark's.

Probably because he had a similar experience:



Thank you for clarifying :thumbup:




Wow... You would think more people would be talking about that.


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