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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22373310 - 10/13/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're mixing a lot of gop media w world happenings  You have peaked my interest but even as a lefty o find it hard to believe as an al quada false flag




I wouldn't call ISIS a false flag. They are useful for American interests, so we won't destroy them.

There are other mercenary groups that we have paid to fight for our interests in the middle east also. Russia apparently attacked some of those groups. Russia was attacking terrorists, but their terrorism is sanctioned by the US, therefore America doesn't want Russia attacking them.




Wait, did you just call Obama a terrorist?




I actually consider the US military's actions to have been of 'terrorist' nature for a very long time. We don't call it that because it's 'different' when the US does things.

No, I don't consider Obama personally to be a terrorist. This goes back a long way. We've done a lot of terrorism in South America, and Vietnam, in my mind.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22373384 - 10/13/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No, I don't consider Obama personally to be a terrorist




But he's still a Muslim, right?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22376570 - 10/14/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're mixing a lot of gop media w world happenings  You have peaked my interest but even as a lefty o find it hard to believe as an al quada false flag




I wouldn't call ISIS a false flag. They are useful for American interests, so we won't destroy them.

There are other mercenary groups that we have paid to fight for our interests in the middle east also. Russia apparently attacked some of those groups. Russia was attacking terrorists, but their terrorism is sanctioned by the US, therefore America doesn't want Russia attacking them.




Wait, did you just call Obama a terrorist?




I actually consider the US military's actions to have been of 'terrorist' nature for a very long time. We don't call it that because it's 'different' when the US does things.

No, I don't consider Obama personally to be a terrorist. This goes back a long way. We've done a lot of terrorism in South America, and Vietnam, in my mind.




I consider the actions of the government to be terrorist, not the military.  And Dog Shit Obama is a terrorist for his complacency in the brutalization of the middle east by ISIS.


By the way, I believe the Iraqi air force hit a convoy with with leader of ISIS inside, but they are keeping it hush, dont know if he was killed.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22376945 - 10/14/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good video.  :thumbup:

I agree, the US hasn't seemed too interested in fighting IS, and now we act upset that Russia is doing it for us on their dollar.

It appears that since land can no longer be acquired by force per the UN charter, the US is now trying to influence/determine foreign leadership, rather than accepting elected leaders who don't kiss our ass.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22378889 - 10/14/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Good video.  :thumbup:

I agree, the US hasn't seemed too interested in fighting IS, and now we act upset that Russia is doing it for us on their dollar.

It appears that since land can no longer be acquired by force per the UN charter, the US is now trying to influence/determine foreign leadership, rather than accepting elected leaders who don't kiss our ass.




That was the motive behind Iraq, I believe. I believe Saddam Hussein was going to start trading oil under a different currency than the USD, which would weaken the dollar. I'd have to double check that little factoid though.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22378994 - 10/14/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That was the motive behind Iraq, I believe. I believe Saddam Hussein was going to start trading oil under a different currency than the USD, which would weaken the dollar. I'd have to double check that little factoid though.



You are correct.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22379065 - 10/14/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That was the motive behind Iraq, I believe. I believe Saddam Hussein was going to start trading oil under a different currency than the USD, which would weaken the dollar. I'd have to double check that little factoid though.



You are correct.




Hmm, maybe saddam should have complied with UN sanctions, then the us wouldn't have invaded, lol, what a dumbass...

And China has been hinting at dumping the dollar too, I wonder when we'll invade...


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22379237 - 10/14/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hmm, maybe saddam should have complied with UN sanctions, then the us wouldn't have invaded, lol, what a dumbass...



It's not Iraq's job to comply with UN sanctions (maybe you're confused about the term?)

And if you meant they should have complied with UN resolutions, it turns out Iraq never did have WMDs.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22380018 - 10/14/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hmm, maybe saddam should have complied with UN sanctions, then the us wouldn't have invaded, lol, what a dumbass...



It's not Iraq's job to comply with UN sanctions (maybe you're confused about the term?)

And if you meant they should have complied with UN resolutions, it turns out Iraq never did have WMDs.




Then Why did they refuse to allow inspectors???

And yes, eventually they did find wmd's, not the kind libs would want of course, but they were there


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22381346 - 10/14/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And yes, eventually they did find wmd's, not the kind libs would want of course, but they were there



There's not a liberal and conservative definition of weapons of mass destruction.  This guy seems to clearly understand the definition, and he's not liberal:



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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22381349 - 10/14/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hmm, maybe saddam should have complied with UN sanctions, then the us wouldn't have invaded, lol, what a dumbass...



It's not Iraq's job to comply with UN sanctions (maybe you're confused about the term?)

And if you meant they should have complied with UN resolutions, it turns out Iraq never did have WMDs.




Then Why did they refuse to allow inspectors???

And yes, eventually they did find wmd's, not the kind libs would want of course, but they were there




Are you defending the war in Iraq? Jesus Christ dude... You must listen to Rush daily, hmm? lmao


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22382158 - 10/15/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I actually don't defend the war in Iraq, I know it was a mistake, but at the time, it seemed like the right thing to do, even most democrats voted for it... It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback,

What I was refuting was the absurd idea we invaded because they traded oil in the euro...


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22382369 - 10/15/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes the oil thing had a lot to do with it as well as many pre existing agendas to destabilize this region. It's seems a lot of our recent past foreign policy has directly benefitted Israel. Seems like quite a coincidence.


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22382618 - 10/15/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What I was refuting was the absurd idea we invaded because they traded oil in the euro...



It's not absurd at all.  After 9/11, most of our efforts were focused on Iraq rather than Afghanistan.  Insiders like Richard Clarke explained that the administration desperately tried to find a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.



What was the obsession with Iraq?


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    #22383665 - 10/15/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What about Saudi Arabia? They have an oppressive islamic government. Almost every single one of the 9/11 bombers was a Saudi... We've never even talked about going after them! Why? Because OIL! lmao


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    #22383781 - 10/15/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It appears that since land can no longer be acquired by force per the UN charter, the US is now trying to influence/determine foreign leadership, rather than accepting elected leaders who don't kiss our ass.




Uhh yeah welcome to 1946 :lol:


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22392638 - 10/17/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone find it odd how many of these recent "terror" events that have suspicious and false flag like markers benefit Israel's political regime?


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Maroon]
    #22392913 - 10/17/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone find it odd how many of these recent "terror" events that have suspicious and false flag like markers benefit Israel's political regime?




Nope, care to explain?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22403811 - 10/19/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Many of the major Terror events involving western nations have directly benefitted and or indirectly benefitted for Israels gain. No one likes to discuss the Israeli involvement of 9/12 etc.


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: Putin calls US on creating ISIS [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22404132 - 10/19/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What I was refuting was the absurd idea we invaded because they traded oil in the euro...



It's not absurd at all.  After 9/11, most of our efforts were focused on Iraq rather than Afghanistan.  Insiders like Richard Clarke explained that the administration desperately tried to find a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.



What was the obsession with Iraq?




I think you're referring to General Wesley Clark, but valid point nonetheless.

Hell, there are emails from the Hillary server cache that show GWB and Tony Blair talking Iraq strategy back in 2002.


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