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wolf8312
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Alcohol instead of water mescaline X
#22358575 - 10/10/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was thinking about doing an ethanol mescaline extraction so I could take my time and not have to spend any time over a hot stove. Put cactus in alcohol pull and then pool.
I have already done this before with a simple cacti/alcohol extraction but this time after pooling extractions I would, defat with xylene, add base and then pull with an NP solvent.
I don’t really want to spend all day boiling cacti and that’s really the most crucial part because you can’t wander away!
Are there any disadvantages of doing it this way with alcohol as opposed to with water?
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: wolf8312]
#22358594 - 10/10/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Didn't work when I tried it, but I'm unsure of the quality of the cactus.
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: Dark_Star]
#22361502 - 10/11/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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agreed ^
ive had great success with water extracts, but the times i tried iso extracts it basically sucked.
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wolf8312
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: P-O]
#22361661 - 10/11/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guys are you serious?
You cant extract mescaline once it is disolved in alcohol?
hum....anyone got an explanation?
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: wolf8312]
#22361685 - 10/11/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't use NaOH. .(NaOH + R-OH --> R-ONa + H2O), the alkoxide will deprotonate the water and give you back the alcohol, a pretty even equillibrium
Your mescal won't freebase therefore won't migrate?
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wolf8312
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: satch1234]
#22361699 - 10/11/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nah dont worry dude its hypothetical! I have succesfully carried out an alcohol extraction. I was just wondering what the result would be if afterwards I added base and pulled with NP. Im guessing dissolve product in water and then add base!
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: wolf8312]
#22363489 - 10/11/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pressure cooker! Strong tea in 10 minutes
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: satch1234]
#22363492 - 10/11/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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interested! can i post or link your tec?
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: P-O]
#22363526 - 10/11/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now I actually haven't drunk the pressure cooker tea, but have done extractions on it after the cook with great results!
Got the idea here,
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22831
Add lemon juice, water, and pressure cook a couple pulls on blended cactus.
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wolf8312
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: satch1234]
#22387530 - 10/16/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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How come the Na ion acts as only a spectator for OH, but with alkoxide it is able to stabalize the molecule and stop it from producing freebase mescaline?
Why not
NaOH + R-OH --------> H20 + R-O with the R-O acting as the base.
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wolf8312
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: wolf8312]
#22392400 - 10/17/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Sodium ethoxide (also is the organic compound with the formula C2H5ONa. It is a colourless solid that dissolves in polar solvents. It is commonly used as a strong base.
So as I was using ethanol I would imagine it should work and the mescaline should be deprotonated.
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: wolf8312]
#22392685 - 10/17/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why not do an alcohol extraction, evaporate the alcohol then do a regular A/B using water as your initial solvent? That would have the positive of the easy extraction of alcohol but then avoid any potential problems of trying to do an A/B on a non-aqueous alcohol solution. Or just start with water in the first place.
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22392919 - 10/17/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not even planning to do it anymore dude! Wife found all my porn when I was in the middle of a trip, had a bad one and ended up flushing most of my stash Which included a kilo of shrooms and a pound of cacti! Of course being out of my mind I actually flushed it and my toilet is still blocked!
Just wondering about the spectator ions now!
Let it be a lesson to all of you! Things will seem different in the morning!
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: wolf8312]
#22393499 - 10/17/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude, why were you hiding that from her??? My wife knows that I like to trip. She wasn't cool with it at first, but gradually, over time, she came to accept it. I've found honesty goes pretty far in a marriage.
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wolf8312
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22393652 - 10/17/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No it wasn't like that dude she knows I trip to and has never given me any trouble over it. She actually loves me when I am tripping as I am so full of patience and love. She'd much rather that than when I get drunk believe me!
I meant that the argument triggered a bad trip and from there it spiraled out into paranoia and guilt!
Everything's cool now, just one of those trips where everything seems on the verge of disaster! To be honest though I do get guilty but thats nothing to do with her, I also get guilty for my parents when I do psychedelics. Long story!
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: wolf8312]
#22393902 - 10/17/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, sorry man. I misinterpreted your post. That sucks about loosing your stash. I always get paranoid that my mom knows that I'm tripping. And, she would disapprove. But, there's no way she would know.
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wolf8312
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22394002 - 10/17/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ha np man! You ever had DMT go right into your whole family whereby you all feel like one big hideous entity? Ha ha I love them dearly but nothing scares me more than family! Perhaps thats because I do love them!
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: wolf8312]
#22394112 - 10/17/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually never had dmt. It's on my bucket list though. Yeah, I feel a subconscious connection to family. Especially when I'm trippin.
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22394639 - 10/17/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha crazy shit wolf!
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Re: Alcohol instead of water mescaline X [Re: satch1234]
#22394876 - 10/17/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dang, this thread escalated quickly.
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