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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #22359281 - 10/10/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No I actually looked into what satanism was about and I have known a few satanists.

Drugs are neutral, satanism is not.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Asante] * 2
    #22359289 - 10/10/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I asked him if he knows what it means to make a declaration such as this





Eroded or underdeveloped morality?




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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22359302 - 10/10/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I hope he grows out of it.

How old is he by the way?


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Asante] * 2
    #22359307 - 10/10/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Seriously? What has morality to do with being a worshipper of Evil, defilement and Divinity coming undone?

Satanism is the home turf of Dark Triad personalities.





being a satanist has nothing to do with worshiping anything


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22359325 - 10/10/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Seriously? What has morality to do with being a worshipper of Evil, defilement and Divinity coming undone?

Satanism is the home turf of Dark Triad personalities.





being a satanist has nothing to do with worshiping anything





Well some people believe that it does, some do not though.

The ones I know believe that Satanism represents humanism, that is all.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Lucis]
    #22359328 - 10/10/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Satanism is associated with stigma, so naturally it provokes an irrational set of responses akin to distrust. It's like any culture though. Think of the wandering Sadhus of India; complete dissolution of any societal value... Yet they have a rich and meaningful culture amongst themselves. It's unavoidable and there's good in everything. Satanism actually has a lot of meaningful morals to live by, if you search past your avoidance and look directly at it with unbiased objectivity.

The difference between the Luciferianism (the light/wind) and Satanism (Fire) are miniscule. In the book of Satan, Lavey poses an argument for humanistic and Darwinian values. In the book of Lucifer, he poses philosophical arguments for why these values are valid in life and how to navigate them successfully. As you can see, they both kinda compliment each other.

I'd bet that Luciferianism is an offshoot of Satanism and are more interested in using the religion to understand and navigate through reality, while Satanists are just the broader (less defined) demographic.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Lucis]
    #22359329 - 10/10/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The ones I know believe that Satanism represents humanism, that is all.





that's what I've known it to be


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22359331 - 10/10/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Seriously? What has morality to do with being a worshipper of Evil, defilement and Divinity coming undone?

Satanism is the home turf of Dark Triad personalities.





being a satanist has nothing to do with worshiping anything



It can. It depends on personal beliefs as religion is a highly individualized thing, even if it is a cultural phenomenon.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22359344 - 10/10/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Satanists at the very least, worship themselves. Birthdays are supposed to be the highest holiday for them. There are many that partake in the ritual aspects as well (silly incantations and whatnot).


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22359356 - 10/10/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fennario said:
The ones I know believe that Satanism represents humanism, that is all.





that's what I've known it to be





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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Asante] * 4
    #22359378 - 10/10/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



Hail satan!


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: 404]
    #22359379 - 10/10/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely dropping this one on some Christian facebook circlejerks.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Asante]
    #22359380 - 10/10/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Some guy I know just revealed to me he was a witch, I always thought he was wearing a star of david necklace and was Jewish, LOL, but I guess it was something to do with what he's into, my buddy told him he's wasting his time. :lol:


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: qman]
    #22359401 - 10/10/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

seriously if you were the devil, wouldn't you lie to people and tell them you were god/jesus to get them to worship you???????  and then you would call the real god the devil so nobody would warship him and if they did they would do it for the wrong reasons

we've had it all backwords people, we've gotten it sooooooo wrong


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22359412 - 10/10/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Unless the devil really is the devil to REALLY fuck with us.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22359417 - 10/10/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe the devil would disguise his church as humanism.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Asante]
    #22359423 - 10/10/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nah, they're both different sides to the same coin. Too much of anything is bad. Hardcore Christians piss me off more than hardcore Satanists, because at least Satanists know they're a little off.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Asante]
    #22359443 - 10/10/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe the devil would disguise his church as humanism.




I doubt the devil to be that clever.


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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22359560 - 10/10/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I asked him if he knows what it means to make a declaration such as this, he said
he did and told me a little about the beliefs and teachings, told me a little of
levay and crowley so he has a decent understanding of it for a 12 year old
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Careful Pris, LaVey had some pretty counter-culture ideas:

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The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey

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1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
 
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
 
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
 
6.  Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
 
7.  Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
 
8.  Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
 
9.  Do not harm little children.
 
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
 
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.




http://www.churchofsatan.com/eleven-rules-of-earth.php

Your child is learning not to make unwanted sexual advances; not harm children; not kill non-human animals except for self-defense or food; and to respect others unless they disrespect him first.

People may decide your son is morally bankrupt.

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Re: My son came out of the closet [Re: Asante]
    #22359712 - 10/10/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No I actually looked into what satanism was about and I have known a few satanists.

Drugs are neutral, satanism is not.





Is that still Holland's #1 religion?


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