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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Asante]
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Asante] 1
#22358782 - 10/10/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's great, but I must ask, why the hell didn't he do something about that whilst he was president?
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Le_Canard]
#22359569 - 10/10/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Le_Canard said: That's great, but I must ask, why the hell didn't he do something about that whilst he was president?
Hey, Bill Clinton says he was wrong for putting more people into prison for drug crimes and pushing more longer sentences, thanks Bill for admitting you were wrong.
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: qman]
#22360353 - 10/10/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, I have heard that some time ago. I pretty much said the same thing about Wild Bill.
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Le_Canard]
#22361666 - 10/11/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Le_Canard said: Yes, I have heard that some time ago. I pretty much said the same thing about Wild Bill.
at least he said he was sorry and really thats all that counts rigth?
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Le_Canard]
#22361671 - 10/11/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Le_Canard said: That's great, but I must ask, why the hell didn't he do something about that whilst he was president?
Drug cartels probably would have had him executed within a few days.
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: AEL1911]
#22362008 - 10/11/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is scary. He wants to legalize it so the burden is shifted off of Mexico and onto ever one else. When it's Mexico's fault and problem to begin with. All the officials are crooked, Mexico sucks. It's a super dangerous place and they don't deserve tourism. Legalize all drugs.psshaw morons
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: AEL1911]
#22362634 - 10/11/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Le_Canard said: That's great, but I must ask, why the hell didn't he do something about that whilst he was president?
Drug cartels probably would have had him executed within a few days.
Hm, yes, you may be onto something there.
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#22366455 - 10/12/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: This is scary. He wants to legalize it so the burden is shifted off of Mexico and onto ever one else. When it's Mexico's fault and problem to begin with. All the officials are crooked, Mexico sucks. It's a super dangerous place and they don't deserve tourism. Legalize all drugs.psshaw morons
You know you're on a drug forum... right? The war on drugs has destroyed too many people's lives, and is the reason why the cartels are even there. Take away the risk and make it legal, the violence stops and they don't make as much(or even any) money
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Achillita]
#22366982 - 10/12/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: This is scary. He wants to legalize it so the burden is shifted off of Mexico and onto ever one else. When it's Mexico's fault and problem to begin with. All the officials are crooked, Mexico sucks. It's a super dangerous place and they don't deserve tourism. Legalize all drugs.psshaw morons
You know you're on a drug forum... right? The war on drugs has destroyed too many people's lives, and is the reason why the cartels are even there. Take away the risk and make it legal, the violence stops and they don't make as much(or even any) money
I may be on a drug forum but I'm no fool. Legalizing drugs is counterproductive and will not increase quality of life. Weed is one thing, oxycontin is another. I've yet to see a discussion on here truly contemplating if high quality Mexican ice should really be decriminalized in the states. The last thing we need is an even bigger free for all in Mexico.
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
#22367006 - 10/12/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It wouldn't stop the cartel either. It would just give them a safe haven to operate out of.
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#22367208 - 10/12/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: It wouldn't stop the cartel either. It would just give them a safe haven to operate out of.
Decriminalizing any illegal drug destroys the high profitability involved in the drug trade, this is simple economics.
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: qman]
#22371835 - 10/13/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: It wouldn't stop the cartel either. It would just give them a safe haven to operate out of.
Decriminalizing any illegal drug destroys the high profitability involved in the drug trade, this is simple economics.
Not if the market you sell it in isn't decriminalized! You're also making the assumption that drug value would go down when there would still be high value regardless. It would just be easier to transport. Waay too many factors to make this simple economics.
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#22371926 - 10/13/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: When it's Mexico's fault and problem to begin with.
No, it's our fault. We are not only the consumers of these drugs, but we've made them illegal, and thus highly profitable. If there weren't a demand for these drugs in the US and if the US didn't push the market underground, the problem would be very small. Its our fault.
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Learyfan]
#22371934 - 10/13/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nah bruh the Mexican cartel are breaking the laws it's totally like their fault
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Learyfan]
#22371938 - 10/13/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's nobodies fault that people like and consume drugs. It's an insane concept to make all drugs legal in the US, and never will be. Thus,Mexico would just be shifting the weight and burden off of themselves instead of tackling the tough issue of law and order. Just because I like to expand my mind doesn't mean I don't believe in a functioning society. I understand that the war on drugs is shite and had had a negative impact on so many people's lives, but that doesn't mean that Mexico is innocent and should just throw their hands up. Which are full of bribe monies and have been for decades.
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#22373448 - 10/13/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: It's nobodies fault that people like and consume drugs. It's an insane concept to make all drugs legal in the US, and never will be. Thus,Mexico would just be shifting the weight and burden off of themselves instead of tackling the tough issue of law and order. Just because I like to expand my mind doesn't mean I don't believe in a functioning society. I understand that the war on drugs is shite and had had a negative impact on so many people's lives, but that doesn't mean that Mexico is innocent and should just throw their hands up. Which are full of bribe monies and have been for decades.
Do you think that people who have no interest in drugs would suddenly start shooting heroin and railing meth if it was legal? People are already taking drugs, and there is plenty of evidence that many younger users are attracted to the "rebellious" nature of drug taking, look at juvenile/teenage behaviour in general, it's fairly straight forward.
The biggest problems associated with drugs are the inability to acquire them, theft, robbery, prostitution, murder etc etc etc. There are always going to be a certain percentage of people that wish to consume drugs for one reason or another, if they were controlled, legal and of a consistent quality a HUGE amount of the crime, overdoses, health issues and the like could be curtailed very quickly. There is no reason that drugs need to be anywhere near as expensive as they are currently, if they were produced in accordance with the principles of the free market they could be cheap, safe(r) and therefore do away with so many of the connected social issues.
Narco states like Afghanistan, Colombia, Mexico and the like would be transformed practically overnight, providing legitimate income for some of the world's poorest people, while devastating the ability of terrorist groups, cartels and organised crime in general to earn the massive profits that go towards funding their fucked up agendas.
Drug consumption has not decreased at all since the trillion $+ war on drugs started, drug production has increased, availability has increased, having them illegal is just futile and destructive in so many ways, it's insane.
I don't think they should be sold over the counter at the corner store, but I can certainly envision a system similar to the med marijuana situation that could be feasible. Consenting adults of a given age could purchase pure, unadulterated, taxed products. The benefits would far exceed the perceived negatives, the argument against legalisation is generally a moral one, not common sense or in any way based on the sovereign rights of an individual to do with their own bodies as they wish.
We already have laws that take care of antisocial and criminal behaviour. If you murder someone on meth, we have laws against murder, same as if you run someone down with your car whilst drunk, running people down with cars is frowned upon, you don't need to criminalise the compounds too.
Again, I will reiterate the idea that grandmas aren't going to begin freebasing having had no prior inclination to do so. In countries such as Portugal, The Netherlands etc, where they have decriminalised possession of drugs, instances of use/abuse have consistently fallen, treatment is vastly improved for those who cross the line from use to abuse, due to the fact that there is a ton of money freed up from locking people in cages for sitting in their room and feeling good.
Education, real education about the effects of drugs would of course be a must, but the issue could be broached in a sensible manner, and perhaps kids and people in general would actually pay more heed to the knowledge given out, if it wasn't all alarmist, frequently inaccurate, dogmatic nonsense. It's an overly worn point, but so many people see the information provided by the government in no way represents the reality of drug that they have a tendency to dismiss all of it as nonsense. Telling kids about the horrific damage caused by cannabis is in stark contrast to the dozens of people they know personally who have a smoke, enjoy it and carry on with their lives.
There are always going to be casualties, idiots and uneducated or ignorant people that fall prey to drug misuse, and I am in no way denying that reality, but adding criminality to that cocktail, in no way alleviates that situation.
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#22374290 - 10/13/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: It's an insane concept to make all drugs legal in the US, and never will be.
That means you want drugs to stay illegal, which means you want drug users to be arrested. You realize that 90% of Shroomerites do more than just smoke weed, right? So that means you want 9 out of 10 of us in jail. Why the fuck are you here if you want us all behind bars?
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Re: Former Mexican president Vicente Fox is in favor of legalization of all drugs. [Re: Learyfan]
#22375020 - 10/13/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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drugs should be decriminalized and that's it. everyone should be able to grow them, manufacture them, use them, wutever. if someone wants to make a legit business out of em then they pay taxes like any other legitimate business, if someone wants to grow them and use them for personal use then that's their choice. if peeps want to make money from them and dont pay taxes then they get fined or imprisoned, and that's where the government steps in, and ONLY then should the government get involved.
we'll still have shit like DUIs and what not, for law and order, we can't have peeps nodding off while operating dangerous machinery, and there will still be mandatory drug tests and what not from certain jobs, careers, cuz that's their right. either u choose to stay high and work a low paying job that doesn't test which doesn't require much thought, or u stay clean and move up the capitalism ladder. or fuck it, start ur own business and be ur own boss; get high all day, win win.
"but what if the manufacturing and distribution of dangerous drugs like methamphetamines continue?", they'll say. easy, if they're not paying taxes and going through proper fda inspections they get fined or imprisoned.
"what if peeps make their own", fuck it personal use. but who's gonna want to make their own or buy these dangerous drugs from someone who does when they can easily get a script from doctors?..
more so, who the fuck is gonna want meth when they can easily grow marijuana, coca plants, opium, for personal use, or even just buy these plants from legit manufactures?..
idk about u, but i'd rather have peeps who've slept for days than some lunatics running around chasing shadows n shit who haven't slept for days, maybe even weeks..
even people with little to no money would be able to afford their drugs, they could grow them from a friends house, or easily buy em off a ranchers market in bulk for 3 dollars a pound. they wouldnt have to steal or hurt themselves or anyone else to have them.
sure outlaws/cartels would still be around trying to get rich off the black market, but at least now they'll have tons of competition, peeps would just grow their own anyway, fuck em.
we'll still have shit like violence and poverty, i mean shit is gonna happen, but i mean it'll drop down in a significant way..
decriminalizing drugs arent the solution to our problems, but it seems to be a good start..
but then again, who the fuck wants law and order?, no one to manipulate, no one to suck ur dick for a hit, no one to extort. lets let forget what politics are all about, and what kind of sick individuals are involved in them.
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