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AkaAlias
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Pics and notes
#22357721 - 10/10/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi everyone.
I found these pics and notes and thought to share them here.
"The Setup:"

"Colonised (Ecuadorian or (probably) Columbian?) straw and verm casing (39x39x~3cm):"

"First pins:"

"Some time later:"

"20 hours later:"

"20 hours later:"

"First flush 230g fresh:"

Additional notes found: "Ready for dunk (poked holes into substrate to facilitate soaking up of water). Additional verm casing sterilized and ready to be applied after dunk."
Edited by AkaAlias (10/10/15 06:03 AM)
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LocN9ne
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22357749 - 10/10/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't stab holes in your sub...and don't recase after a flush and a dunk...both of those are just asking for contamination.
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: LocN9ne]
#22357812 - 10/10/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice grow. Was that MS inoculation?
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Those clay pebbles really do work, huh? Haven't seen someone use them in awhile. I might give them a shot.
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: LocN9ne]
#22358054 - 10/10/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Don't stab holes in your sub...and don't recase after a flush and a dunk...both of those are just asking for contamination.
I thought it wouldn't make a lot of difference. If I ever find the person who made the pics, I'll be sure to pass this info on.
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Supalemonhaze said: Nice grow. Was that MS inoculation?
I'm not sure what MS stands for. The notes state: "...had some spores left from 2012. Inoculated whole Brown Rice and used one cake as spawn for the straw..."
*Edit: Oh, Multi Spore, I see. No, not multispore according to the notes. It seems a mixup in the distant past had made the cultivator unsure as to the specific strain. Ecuadorian or Columbian. Any way to tell?
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Psilosoulful said: Those clay pebbles really do work, huh? Haven't seen someone use them in awhile. I might give them a shot.
It seems they do, judging from the pics. Though I do think regular misting is still required.
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Edited by AkaAlias (10/10/15 08:45 AM)
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22358344 - 10/10/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why are you posting other peoples stuff?? That's kinda weird.
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22358420 - 10/10/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said: Nice grow. Was that MS inoculation?
I'm not sure what MS stands for. The notes state: "...had some spores left from 2012. Inoculated whole Brown Rice and used one cake as spawn for the straw..."
*Edit: Oh, Multi Spore, I see. No, not multispore according to the notes. It seems a mixup in the distant past had made the cultivator unsure as to the specific strain. Ecuadorian or Columbian. Any way to tell?
Using spores means "multi spore"... so.... yes, you did use multi spore
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: Sksoul]
#22359625 - 10/10/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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wowimflabbergasted said: Why are you posting other peoples stuff?? That's kinda weird.
I thought me being weird was quite obvious looking at my sig... 
As for the post above: Nope, not multi spore. Just one type of strain. The mixup wasn't with the spores themselves, but with the labeling. Therefore there is a slight chance that the spores used are Cambodian. They could be Ecuadorian spores. But the two were never mixed.
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Edited by AkaAlias (10/10/15 03:16 PM)
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22360029 - 10/10/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Multi (meaning more than one) and spore, when used together in the term 'multispore', means more than one spore. It means you didn't start with a clone or an isolate, but went from spores to mushrooms. Your grow was multispore.
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: Sksoul]
#22360040 - 10/10/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the mix up is that vendors call varieties strains. they're varieties not strains. if you inject spores into something it's MS and you have 100s of strains growing at the same time. they're not fighting with each other but they're not necessarily sharing either. when you grow from MS and clone a mushroom the clone itself can still be made up of multiple strains and not be an isolate.
this is why you can take every variety and mix them all together and inject one single cake and it wouldn't matter in the least
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: Sksoul]
#22360336 - 10/10/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sksoul said: Multi (meaning more than one) and spore, when used together in the term 'multispore', means more than one spore. It means you didn't start with a clone or an isolate, but went from spores to mushrooms. Your grow was multispore.
That's not his grow... just some pictures he found and re-posted...
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AkaAlias
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Quote:
Sksoul said: Multi (meaning more than one) and spore, when used together in the term 'multispore', means more than one spore. It means you didn't start with a clone or an isolate, but went from spores to mushrooms. Your grow was multispore.
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bodhisatta said: the mix up is that vendors call varieties strains. they're varieties not strains. if you inject spores into something it's MS and you have 100s of strains growing at the same time. they're not fighting with each other but they're not necessarily sharing either. when you grow from MS and clone a mushroom the clone itself can still be made up of multiple strains and not be an isolate.
this is why you can take every variety and mix them all together and inject one single cake and it wouldn't matter in the least
The spawn was creating with a single print. So this still makes it a multi spore? I'm not sure if the spores were from the Ecuadorian strain variation or the Columbian. Probably Columbian. Thank you for the explanation! That clears a few things up. Much appreciated!
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22361981 - 10/11/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes that is still multispore. In the tiniest spore print there are millions of spores and in theory you only need 2 compatible spores to get fruit yeilding mycelium. So you can imagine how many different dikaryiotic mycelium are in a MS inoculation.
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AkaAlias
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First flush was about 225g fresh. Dried (cracker dry) the result is about 22,5g.
*edit: spelling correction
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Edited by AkaAlias (11/04/15 09:16 AM)
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AkaAlias
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22434661 - 10/26/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22434957 - 10/26/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
AkaAlias said:
Eat both
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AkaAlias
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Second flush turned out te be about 8,5g once dried. The total as of now is about 31g cracker dry shrooms after two flushes.
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22475142 - 11/04/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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AkaAlias said: "2nd Flush, ~100g fresh.

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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22489362 - 11/07/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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"3th Flush. ~100g Fresh."
"Collecting some spores."

Some additional notes/questions:
- Is waiting for a small fourth flush worth it?
- Once the sub is fully spent. Should the cultivator bury it in the yard? Even though temps might drop below freezing pretty soon.
- Is there any other way to extend the usefulness of a spent cake/substrate?
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22489413 - 11/07/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some do what is called super spawning if I remember correctly but results are crappy as far as I know. Yes keep getting as many flushes as it takes for it to contam. As for burying it I guess if you put it deep enough it will insulate it enough to keep it from freezing. Don't have anything to lose except some sweat do you? 
Congratulations by the way
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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said: Some do what is called super spawning if I remember correctly but results are crappy as far as I know. Yes keep getting as many flushes as it takes for it to contam. As for burying it I guess if you put it deep enough it will insulate it enough to keep it from freezing. Don't have anything to lose except some sweat do you? 
Congratulations by the way
The consensus about super-spawning seems to be that it's not worth the trouble.
How about breaking the substrate up and mixing it with some potting soil. Maybe adding a bit of fertiliser and/or extra straw. And keeping it indoors. Maybe mist with some water and a bit of hydrogen peroxide? Has anyone tried this?
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22489769 - 11/07/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Never tried it as of yet but I would skip the fertilisers. Mycelium get their nutes from decomposing whatever they are growing on. Most fertilisers are made for plants so I doubt they will be beneficial. Same with h202. Only use it for some type of molds. If there arent any contams you will stunt the mycelium and that gives more time for contams to take a foothold while the mycelium is recovering. I think people use it on cobweb mostly and it still needs to be very small to work.
Nothing wrong with trying the compost/straw mix inside but why not just put it outside about a foot deep for some insulation and do a new batch of grains? That way if it doesn't fruit you will still have a new grow on the way
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The cultivator is considering doing both. Half indoors, half outdoor. Said cultivator thanks you for your advice.
Would the straw and potting soil need to be pasteurised or not? Would breaking up the old substrate be a good thing or might it be better to leave it in one (well two actually) piece(s) and pack the straw/pottingsoil lightly around it?
New batch on WBR has been prepared a couple of days ago. The cultivator hasn't tried any other type of grains as of yet. Some birdseed is sitting around for that sometime in the future.
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22490283 - 11/07/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes pasteurisation is optimal. People dont reccomend sterilisation for those things. Just prepare them just like you would prepare a casing. About breaking your spent subatrate I would say yes so that you can mix it evenly.
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AkaAlias
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Thanks!
The cultivator, for whom I'm relaying these notes, is working on a small extraction using 10g dried shrooms from the first flush. Just to get a feel for extracting. Would this be a good place to share the findings or is a new thread preferable?
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22490899 - 11/07/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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AkaAlias said: The cultivator, for whom I'm relaying these notes
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The 3rd person shit irritates me. All the effort to just draw more attention to "the cultivator and his pictures" that you found. Look around buddy, it's insanely disrespectful to ask other people to assist in your friend, the cultivator's illegal activities when everyone, including the police now know it's you. Drop the act, man.
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: Kalistis]
#22491375 - 11/07/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited by AkaAlias (11/07/15 03:25 PM)
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Re: Pics and notes [Re: AkaAlias]
#22491690 - 11/07/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea personally I dont get why people talk that way but at least its not the swim shit lol.
Anyway back on subject. I think ull be better off posting that here :
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/92
Its a section of the forum dedicated to extractions and w/e. Dont know shit about it though closest I ever came to extractions is a mushroom tea which ended up tasting like shit. I only eat my shrooms now haha. Gotta warn you though theres not much traffic in that part of the shroomery.
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Strange people....
Could you call cultivation plagiarism? .... lol
Why would someone want to post someone else s work other than their own anyways?
To say the least the whole thing seems misleading.
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AkaAlias
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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said: Yea personally I dont get why people talk that way but at least its not the swim shit lol.
Anyway back on subject. I think ull be better off posting that here :
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/92
Its a section of the forum dedicated to extractions and w/e. Dont know shit about it though closest I ever came to extractions is a mushroom tea which ended up tasting like shit. I only eat my shrooms now haha. Gotta warn you though theres not much traffic in that part of the shroomery.
Thank you kindly. Much appreciated!
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No prob. May you make the most potent extraction known to man.
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AkaAlias
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Thanks. Relayed all info to the cultivator. Whom has gone to work. Method + results are published here: First psiloc(yb)in extraction experiment. Please advice.
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