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Small Musrooms
    #22355917 - 10/09/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was just wondering if I was doing something wrong with this grow because this is my first time growing and the mushrooms are really small compared to mushrooms I've experienced in the past. It is a 50/50 verm and brf substrate. I have it in a 20 qt tub with 5 cakes and using perlite for humidity. I use a little desk lamp for light and keep the blinds open for extra light and fan 3-5 times a day and mist once a day.


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: devin6464]
    #22356431 - 10/09/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Could be a few things.
Long skinny stems makes me think the free air exchange (FAE) in your chamber is too low. Are there holes on the bottom of your chamber?

Did you dunk the cakes before fruiting? The extra water content added to the cakes really helps bulk up your fruits.

Might be worth fanning less and misting when the cakes more. You basically want to mist until the cakes are glistening and remist when they are starting to dry out. Checkout this post about misting:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/21595437

One last thing to check, how deep is that perlite? Should be 3-5"


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: psilobob]
    #22357164 - 10/10/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You need WAY more holes in that chamber, check out the SGFC link in my signature.


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22357268 - 10/10/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yea id say not enough fae and too much fanning compared to misting. Usually the most heard advice is to mist after fanning.


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22357370 - 10/10/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so I need to do create more fae by drilling more holes and I need to mist the cakes directly? I harvested these three little guys and I want to find ways to harvest bigger fruits (arent we all).


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: devin6464]
    #22357409 - 10/10/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

make sure your sgfc is elevated off the ground too.  Set it up on some jars or something.  It's a good idea that it be clear 6 inches all sides or more.  If you don't have your sgfc elevated properly, it wont work properly.

The key to big fruits is meeting your cubes condition.  More FAE, 6500k light on a 12/12 timer or natural sunlight, 65-80 degrees (though i try to maintain 67-78...gives me more room for error), humidity, and that's about it. 

If you are planning on using a SGFC, then definitely read and learn the tek that NDStepp suggested.  That should give you a good grasp of how it functions, and then your mushrooms will be happy.

oh yeah another thing that really helps is clean spawn.  Even if you are planning on staying with the PF tek, you can use this tek for cheap and easy agar.  You don't even need a PC. 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976#19208976


then combine it with the easy liquid innoculant without a blender video seen here...then voila, clean mycelium.  Combine clean cultures with proper conditions and you won't fail
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032261/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/10

do all that in a still airbox and practice sterile technique.  You'll get big mushrooms if you go that route.


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: devin6464]
    #22357421 - 10/10/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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devin6464 said:
Ok so I need to do create more fae by drilling more holes and I need to mist the cakes directly? I harvested these three little guys and I want to find ways to harvest bigger fruits (arent we all).




Some say spray directly most say dont. I spray on the walls cos when misting it basically goes everywhere that way im sure not to make any puddles. When you were fanning so much you were basically evaporating all the water from ur FC so I would only fan when misting if I were you.

If you do SGFC you wont need that much fanning anyway cos the way its constructed the air comes from the bottom through the wet perlite and up over the substrate. There is an explanation of how it works on one of the teks and it really makes sense.


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22357427 - 10/10/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fanning is almost useless...mist your cakes directly until they glisten, then maybe a swipe or two with the lid before you put it back on... spraying your walls is useless.


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22358728 - 10/10/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so here are some more pictures and I have found that it looks like I just need to increase the lighting that I am giving to them. But the biggest thing was I wasn't misting the cakes directly, I was only misting the perlite. So hopefully this will help create some bigger mushrooms.



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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: devin6464]
    #22359086 - 10/10/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Misting directly is definitely a step in the right direction, but I still think they are suffocating in there and you need more holes. Check out this thread and what a difference FAE can make http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22105120/page/1


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Re: Small Musrooms [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22359561 - 10/10/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so now I am misting when cakes look like they are not glistening with water. Fanning after I mist. I put more holes in my fruiting chamber. So hopefully my problem will resolve itself. Thanks for the help!


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