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Mini Bulk trays
    #22352325 - 10/08/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I have gone through a couple PF style cakes and I have many more jars colonizing unfortunately due to current money problems I cannot afford the stuff for a true bulk monotub so instead I wanted to maybe try crumbling the cakes to trays. My main issue is I have a tiny cheap pressure cooker that can barley hold 5 1/2 pint jars at once. I've done some research but I'm still unclear on how it all works it is hard to find a step by step instruction guide that gives every detail. I have 5 cakes colonizing that look bad due to the jar being slightly to wet. I thought maybe those would be to crumple up and make a tray. I would like to use coir as the substrate. help tips links anything on how I can cheaply and easily do this would be sweet. Cakes are nice but their not yielding nearly enough.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22352438 - 10/08/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just heat treat the coir and bring it to field capacity then crumble the brf cakes and mix it in the tray. Cover it with foil and let it colonize, then fruit it however you want. I'm assuming you're wanting to fruit in a SGFC?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22352440 - 10/08/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You can crumble cakes to trays with coir and have it work pretty well. What PC do you have, as I have a pretty small one as well. They'll work, you just gotta run them multiple times if you got tons of jars.

I'd suggest grain if you can, as it's really cheaper in the long run. Also, tubs for the mono's are like 5 dollars for a small one. But trays should work well too!

Also, smell the top of the jars, do they smell sour? Or have they gained a wetter appearance since you inoculated them?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Achillita]
    #22354257 - 10/09/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no the jars seem fine but I will be fruiting to SGFC. do I need to case them I have somewhat an idea what casing is but I don't know how to case a tray also dunk cakes before crumbling? How many cakes per tray? What kind of tray? metal cook tray?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354290 - 10/09/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I thought you already had that figured out lol

You don't need to case no.

Don't dunk.

However many cakes you want....depending on the size of the aluminum tray. I line the trays with plastic though so the myc doesn't eat through them.



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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354308 - 10/09/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Contaminated cakes will be even more of a disaster if you try to spawn them to bulk than they would be as cakes.

There aren't many guides for it.  You don't need to do trays, a minimonotub would be ideal.

Most people seem to think using a cheese grater is prefferable to crumbling cause squishing causes more damage or something.  You could also slury (see Eatyualive's tek) and spawn the slury to more dry coir.

Even 5 pint jars of grain is enough for a 30qt mini mono.  WBS is dirt cheap.  Probably want to switch to that in the future if you cooker goes to 15psi.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22354328 - 10/09/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think their gonna contam but I dont think their gonna yield good as cakes. I think ill use two cakes per tray


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354378 - 10/09/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what about ratios how much coir and verm for 1 pint of spawn


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354415 - 10/09/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

do 1:2 - 1:3...even 1:1 if you want...


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354427 - 10/09/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

80/20 is the typicall coir verm ratio btw.  You don't need any verm.

Measure the actual ammount of grain in your jars (not the jar size.)  With grains I would use about 2-3 cups of grain for 2 quarts of bulk substrate.

I really don't know what the ratios for PF spawning are as I haven't done it.  The grains will certainly yield better per PC space than PF cakes will when spawned.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22354446 - 10/09/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so your saying 1 pint worth of pf cake for 1-3 pints of bulk sub?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354481 - 10/09/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

also where do I get measurements for the amount of water to coir for the pasteurization? can I use Damions tek for that small of a quantity


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354500 - 10/09/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

just use field capacity as your guide line:shrug:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354562 - 10/09/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've done some small bowls of it with buckettek/boiling water.  It says hot for a suprisingly long time for just a quart or two.  Just do it in a microwave bowl or plastic quart with a lid and give it a quick nuke after like 1 hour if you really care IMO.  Could also just leave it floating in a pot with a lid and some boiling water.

I like 3.75q/650g hydration for straight coir.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22358933 - 10/10/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So how many grams of coir would one put in a tray? Do you fill the tray to the top with spawn/substrate? How about when its fully colonized do I put the tray metal and all in the SGFC or Do I dump out the brick of colonized sub and put in there?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22359386 - 10/10/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

650g coir hydrates to about 8qts.
dry mass=(desired volume/8)*650g
water to hydrate dry mass = (desired volume/8)*3.75qt

You can fruit them in trays or remove the sub from the trays to fruit.  Most people do it in trays, but if you are using an SGFC, it seems to me that the top of the substrate takes the least advantage of the humidity rising off the perlite.  It also adds some additional surface area for pinning.  Leave it in the tray if you're going to use a casing, or the pinset is already forming ontop before you fruit it.

Don't fill the trays all the way to the top, or your foil/plastic wrap will be in direct contact with the substrate surface.  Also if you intend to case you need to leave room.

Use a liner if you're going with metal trays so the fungi doesn't eat them.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22359576 - 10/10/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I guess a more direct question how much coir for one tray? I'm not going to use the whole brick at once so in terms of measurements and ratios to make sure I got it all down. 2 1/2 pint cakes would be obviously 1 pint that would mean I should have 3 pints of coir for those two cakes


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22359935 - 10/10/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's not an exact science man just wing it. The more higher spawn/sub ratio they faster it will colonize.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22360288 - 10/10/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22360303 - 10/10/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just looking for a higher yield cause 4 cakes only got me half ounce about and the 5 I have in now will probably yield about the same. I've got three older cakes I'm gonna try this method with first


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22360619 - 10/10/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Using MS, I wouldn't use less than 1:8 ratio, preferably 1:4.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: thebug76]
    #22360971 - 10/10/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so how much water would hydrate 6 cups of coir?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22361035 - 10/10/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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so how much water would hydrate 6 cups of coir?



About two liters (a rough estimate). But, always squeeze to field capacity.  :thumbup:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22361313 - 10/10/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Same boat here. Just look at a few things and give it a shot when you come up with a general favorable method of action, live and learn.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22362462 - 10/11/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess a more direct question how much coir for one tray? I'm not going to use the whole brick at once so in terms of measurements and ratios to make sure I got it all down. 2 1/2 pint cakes would be obviously 1 pint that would mean I should have 3 pints of coir for those two cakes




I would need to know the volume of the tray to tell you that.  I would go over 1:2 ratio with cakes in coir personally, but I've never done it so that's complete speculation.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22362630 - 10/11/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm just looking for a higher yield cause 4 cakes only got me half ounce about and the 5 I have in now will probably yield about the same. I've got three older cakes I'm gonna try this method with first




Your best bet then would to invest in a bigger PC (even one from a thrift store).

Then start some agar plates, do some transfers to get a "clean" culture, then use some colonized wedges to nock up some quart jars of whole oats or wild bird seed and spawn those to bulk...  :thumbup:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22362640 - 10/11/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Then start some agar plates, do some transfers to get a "clean" culture, then use some colonized wedges to nock up some quart jars of whole oats or wild bird seed and spawn those to bulk...  :thumbup:



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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22368554 - 10/12/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My pan dimensions are 11.75 in W x 9.25 in D x 2.5 in H


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22369019 - 10/12/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

As stated above I'd wing it.

www.wolframalpha.com can help if you need help with math.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #22371073 - 10/12/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I have a container (plastic with a locking lid) can hold about 6 cups of material no idea if itll be big enough but theoretically all I have to do is boil some water dump in with the coir snap the lid on and lit sit for an hour and a half? Fill the pan up maybe 2-3 inches with coir and take a cheese grater to a couple cakes cover that with tinfoil and let it sit. Would everyone agree with this method?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22371202 - 10/12/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you wanna do trays, wouldn't it be simpler to work in an SAB? Sounds like you could save a lot of steps that way.

I just started my first WBS to bulk grow. I didn't have the equipment to properly pasteurize my coir, so I probably ended up sterilizing at least some of it. Prepped my trays inside my SAB, and sealed up the holes with tyvek. They're near complete colonization now with no signs of trouble.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: WChef]
    #22371284 - 10/12/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't have the equipment to properly pasteurize my coir, so I probably ended up sterilizing at least some of it.



That's fine, coir is very contam resistant anyway, as long as you have clean spawn to work with! :awesomenod:

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Prepped my trays inside my SAB, and sealed up the holes with tyvek. They're near complete colonization now with no signs of trouble.



That extra step was unnecessary. You can spawn in open air.

If you're grains show clean growth and are fully colonized before using, then you shouldn't have any problems. :thumbup:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22371339 - 10/12/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, yeah. Lol. I probably went overboard on contam control, but I was sharing my little all in one method. Prep inside an SAB and seal and allow to colonize in the same vessel, then you don't have to cover it and you can see the colonization progress. Less worrying about proper pasteurization, covering, and general cleanliness. I suppose it doesn't work if you use your SAB frequently though. I personally only have the equipment and attention span for one grow at a time.

But I didn't know that about coir- thanks. Pasteurization was giving me a headache.


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    #22371515 - 10/13/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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But I didn't know that about coir- thanks. Pasteurization was giving me a headache.



Bucket tek'd coir works great! :thumbup:

I save pasteurization for poo based substrates only.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22374656 - 10/13/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so for all who cares about my little project. I just finished pasteurizing around 4 cups of coir in 8 cups of water which I then squeezed to field capacity. I then added my 3 older BRF cakes to it by grinding them up with a cheese grater mixing then placed tinfoil on top and poked a few tiny holes in it.


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    #22374815 - 10/13/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cool!! Make sure to cover those holes with a strip of micropore tape, you want very high CO2 levels during colonization, you don't want to slow down growth, it could open up the door for contams.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22377269 - 10/14/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well hell I wish I knew I needed to cover them with micro pore tape


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22377446 - 10/14/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You don't.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22388426 - 10/16/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

how many days do I let it sit. Probably a bad idea to check on it at all eh?


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    #22388464 - 10/16/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You can check it's fine. Usually 5-7 days or so.


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    #22388835 - 10/16/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It looks really good wow it has me very excited


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    #22388898 - 10/16/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cool!! Make sure to cover those holes with a strip of micropore tape, you want very high CO2 levels during colonization, you don't want to slow down growth, it could open up the door for contams.




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Well hell I wish I knew I needed to cover them with micro pore tape




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You don't.



:ohyeahdefinitely:

You want high CO2 levels during colonization. Having open holes in the foil will allow too much air to escape and cause CO2 levels to drop, which will slow down growth.

You're better off just replacing the foil now. How's the growth so far, any pics?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22389031 - 10/16/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Right.....well I've never covered any tiny holes with tape, except to experiment, and have had great results both ways. Coir don't give a fuck. :lol:



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    #22389099 - 10/16/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Nice trays! :thumbup: Do you usually line them with a trash bag or something similar?

I've read mycelium can eat through the aluminum if spawned directly to it. And also, as the sub shrinks, you could be getting a bit of side pins.

Either way, looks like you'll be busy. You might need two SGFC's to fit all of them!! :awesomenod:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22389427 - 10/16/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks dude. The 2 pics near the top of this thread are some of those trays. Already done baby :baaaam:


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    #22389822 - 10/16/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'll post pics when I get off work. If I don't pass tf out when I get home from all the clonazepam and wax lol


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It's almost there!! :headbanger:


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How much longer?


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    #22391228 - 10/16/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if I could reuse this as spawn when its done for a mono


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    #22391257 - 10/16/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Reuse the bulk sub as spawn? What?! :lol:


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    #22391662 - 10/17/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

kinda on topic, anyone care to explain how u prepare the coir for casing ?


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Save some when spawning.


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Idk cause the spawn I used for this tray was 3 month old cakes that I was about to just toss


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Oh depends on how healthy the cakes were when you spawned them. :shrug:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22392228 - 10/17/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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But I didn't know that about coir- thanks. Pasteurization was giving me a headache.



Bucket tek'd coir works great! :thumbup:

I save pasteurization for poo based substrates only.




Coir sounds like a miracle!

i gave up on bulk tray growing after trying pasteurization and ending up with very contaiminated trays.

But if casing is really as easy as cheese grating cakes over water-saturated coir. Damn, im in next time!


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    #22392348 - 10/17/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What you're grating cakes for a casing? No no just use coir or coir/verm.

Coir doesn't give a shit seriously you can bring is to field capacity with hot water and use it for a casing.


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    #22392875 - 10/17/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I can birth this big fucker as is right? do I need to add verm or anything else to it? growth seems to be coming a long nicely however how in the hell do you tell when its good to birth?


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    #22392925 - 10/17/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There are still a lot of uncolonized portions of coir on the surface. It needs a couple more days. And you birth cakes, not monotubs. :lol:


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    #22393117 - 10/17/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay let me rephrase that. I'm putting that thing in a SGFC do I take it out of the tray or leave it in?


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    #22393183 - 10/17/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Leave it in the tray and elevate it with some wide mouth half pints to make sure there is airflow underneath so the SGFC can do its job.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22395252 - 10/17/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so put the tray on half pints in the SGFC or put the SGFC on half pints?


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    #22395330 - 10/17/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You want the SGFC to be elevated, so yes, put that on some half pints. The trays in there should also be elevated to allow air currents underneath the trays to move through the perlite and promote proper functioning of your SGCF, so elevate them with half pints too!! :super:


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SGFC is already elevated lol I just didn't know bout the trays


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    #22396495 - 10/18/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22396506 - 10/18/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you guys think this thing is bout ready to fruit?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22396603 - 10/18/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Give at least two more days, I see lots I exposed coir.

Maybe it's the water content of your bulk sub, but the mycelium doesn't seem to be colonizing it well. Looks very weak looking. I've had tubs that looked just like that tho, did you squeeze to proper field capacity? An overly wet or too dry sub causes problems for the mycelium. It takes a bit of practice to get it right.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
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I mean I squeezed it till it stopped dripping. anything I can do to fix it?


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    #22398970 - 10/18/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It'll be a week old on tuesday and they said colonization will take 7-10 days anyways so I could understand why its not ready yet.


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    #22398983 - 10/18/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

acutally maybe its the CO2 levels because the tinfoil isnt tight I pushed some of the plastic baggie over it as well and those areas are a lot more heavily colonized than the middle area which is just covered by the foil.


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    #22399214 - 10/18/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely make sure the tinfoil is tight. Better yet, why not just use the lid that came with the tub? (and tape it around the sides to hold it in place).

Give it until Friday, then check on it again. It should be ready to fruit by then. :thumbup:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22400479 - 10/18/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

lol I didnt get lids with the trays their aluminum cooking trays


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    #22400544 - 10/18/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ohhh so then make sure you wrap it around the edges extra tight! :yesnod:


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    #22404322 - 10/19/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What I ended up doing is taking the tinfoil off completely and put the tray in a white trash bag and wrapped it up in that hoping to hold in more co2 The myc just seems to dislike the middle of the tray but I'm thinking that's mostly because it just wasn't covered well enough


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    #22404352 - 10/19/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would've kept the foil on dude. You want the co2 to be concentrated inside the tub. Covering with a trash bag will leave too many air pockets, slowing down colonization.


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    #22404650 - 10/19/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lol what did you do


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    #22405117 - 10/19/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay I just put the tinfoil back on it and then compressed the plastic trashbag over the top to seal in the air.


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    #22405126 - 10/19/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So it seems my shrooms are really potent like I trip off 2-2.5 grams but it takes like 2-3 hours for it to really hit and lasts like 12. is that normal?


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    #22405163 - 10/19/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it takes a while to hit the peak sometimes. But wow, 12 hours is long! My trip usually ends after about 4-5 hours, with after effects lasting for the next 3 hours. I trip in the afternoon so I'm usually pretty tired at the end of the night, so I go to sleep and then wake up the next morning with a nice afterglow feeling :levitate:


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    #22405229 - 10/19/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

maybe its because I dont like where Im at so I take more and that prolongs it? Its frustrating how it always takes 2.5-3 hours to peak.


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    #22405558 - 10/19/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Take them all at once and your peak will be within the first 2 hours usually, and it'll be a lot more intense! :trippnballs:


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    #22406428 - 10/19/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

See I took these at like idk 6 maybe? its 12 and im still out of my mind. not even close to sober.


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    #22406612 - 10/19/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It usually takes me a good 8-9 hours before I can fall asleep.


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took like 9 mg of melatonin to put me out at 4 am. Been going a little over board with my shroom consumption since these are my first couple grows and I have a decent amount. tripping once a week is just to much Idk if it was the 4-FA I took over the weekend or what but I notice a decrease in visuals but it was oddly more euphoric than the first two times. First two times had hella visuals


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I tripped once a week or every other week for like a year straight :lol: It loses its magic after awhile and you gotta lay off a bit.


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Its so hard not to do it lol I love psychs more than anything. Keeps my severe depression at a manageable level. But I notice the anti-depressive effects wear off about a week. With LSD it lasted much longer. I would never want to use cid more than once a month lol. I wonder why cid has lingering effects for days on end and shrooms the next day you just feel really tired and then your fine.


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    #22445358 - 10/28/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm looking for a tek for mini bulk trays. Anyone have some links?


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    #22445586 - 10/28/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm looking for a tek for mini bulk trays. Anyone have some links?



Not necessary, bulk trays are super easy. Make sure to use a liner in your tray, add your bulk sub with grains and mix it up really good (add a very thin top layer of leftover coir/verm if you want, but its not necessary).

Let the tub colonize till the surface is 100% (I cover mine with aluminum foil and poke 4 pencil size holes and cover that with micropore tape for some GE).

When it's fully colonized, add a thin casing layer (if desired), and fruit in your SGFC right away or wait until the mycelium pokes through the surface at about 30%.

Your tray should be elevated off the perlite (I use half pint wide mouth jars). Mist/fan just like you would with cakes. And the surface should be glistening with small water droplets at all times to promote a strong pinset. :super:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22456430 - 10/31/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

hey you wanna see what my first tray looks like? try not to bust a gut laughing but it looks so bleh.


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    #22462262 - 11/01/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

theres on giant mushroom but all the myc is turning yellow it looks like this tray is sol either under misted or over misted


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    #22462298 - 11/01/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If the mycelium is turning yellow (can't really tell from the pic) then it's metabolites, I believe. That tray looks starved for FAE based on the fuzziness of that one mushroom. Where is the tub located? Try to run a small fan in the room pointed away from the tub to increase the air currents in the room, you want to promote evaporation from the surface of the sub.


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    #22463721 - 11/01/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

maybe if I take it out of the tray?


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    #22463797 - 11/01/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It might damage the sub, it looks pretty dry at this point and it is prone to cracking easily. Just give it a good misting and hope for a better pinset. :goodluck:


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I'm looking for a tek for mini bulk trays. Anyone have some links?



Not necessary, bulk trays are super easy. Make sure to use a liner in your tray, add your bulk sub with grains and mix it up really good (add a very thin top layer of leftover coir/verm if you want, but its not necessary).

Let the tub colonize till the surface is 100% (I cover mine with aluminum foil and poke 4 pencil size holes and cover that with micropore tape for some GE).

When it's fully colonized, add a thin casing layer (if desired), and fruit in your SGFC right away or wait until the mycelium pokes through the surface at about 30%.

Your tray should be elevated off the perlite (I use half pint wide mouth jars). Mist/fan just like you would with cakes. And the surface should be glistening with small water droplets at all times to promote a strong pinset. :super:




Thanks! I think I'm going to try that out!


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Evergreen888]
    #22500710 - 11/09/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lost that tray due to contams however it produced a 3.5 gram mushroom. lol. I put the next tray in except I took it out and applied verm over the top to keep proper moisture and keep water from pooling which was a past problem


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