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Mini Bulk trays
    #22352325 - 10/08/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I have gone through a couple PF style cakes and I have many more jars colonizing unfortunately due to current money problems I cannot afford the stuff for a true bulk monotub so instead I wanted to maybe try crumbling the cakes to trays. My main issue is I have a tiny cheap pressure cooker that can barley hold 5 1/2 pint jars at once. I've done some research but I'm still unclear on how it all works it is hard to find a step by step instruction guide that gives every detail. I have 5 cakes colonizing that look bad due to the jar being slightly to wet. I thought maybe those would be to crumple up and make a tray. I would like to use coir as the substrate. help tips links anything on how I can cheaply and easily do this would be sweet. Cakes are nice but their not yielding nearly enough.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22352438 - 10/08/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just heat treat the coir and bring it to field capacity then crumble the brf cakes and mix it in the tray. Cover it with foil and let it colonize, then fruit it however you want. I'm assuming you're wanting to fruit in a SGFC?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22352440 - 10/08/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You can crumble cakes to trays with coir and have it work pretty well. What PC do you have, as I have a pretty small one as well. They'll work, you just gotta run them multiple times if you got tons of jars.

I'd suggest grain if you can, as it's really cheaper in the long run. Also, tubs for the mono's are like 5 dollars for a small one. But trays should work well too!

Also, smell the top of the jars, do they smell sour? Or have they gained a wetter appearance since you inoculated them?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Achillita]
    #22354257 - 10/09/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no the jars seem fine but I will be fruiting to SGFC. do I need to case them I have somewhat an idea what casing is but I don't know how to case a tray also dunk cakes before crumbling? How many cakes per tray? What kind of tray? metal cook tray?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354290 - 10/09/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I thought you already had that figured out lol

You don't need to case no.

Don't dunk.

However many cakes you want....depending on the size of the aluminum tray. I line the trays with plastic though so the myc doesn't eat through them.



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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354308 - 10/09/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Contaminated cakes will be even more of a disaster if you try to spawn them to bulk than they would be as cakes.

There aren't many guides for it.  You don't need to do trays, a minimonotub would be ideal.

Most people seem to think using a cheese grater is prefferable to crumbling cause squishing causes more damage or something.  You could also slury (see Eatyualive's tek) and spawn the slury to more dry coir.

Even 5 pint jars of grain is enough for a 30qt mini mono.  WBS is dirt cheap.  Probably want to switch to that in the future if you cooker goes to 15psi.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22354328 - 10/09/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think their gonna contam but I dont think their gonna yield good as cakes. I think ill use two cakes per tray


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354378 - 10/09/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what about ratios how much coir and verm for 1 pint of spawn


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354415 - 10/09/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

do 1:2 - 1:3...even 1:1 if you want...


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354427 - 10/09/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

80/20 is the typicall coir verm ratio btw.  You don't need any verm.

Measure the actual ammount of grain in your jars (not the jar size.)  With grains I would use about 2-3 cups of grain for 2 quarts of bulk substrate.

I really don't know what the ratios for PF spawning are as I haven't done it.  The grains will certainly yield better per PC space than PF cakes will when spawned.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22354446 - 10/09/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so your saying 1 pint worth of pf cake for 1-3 pints of bulk sub?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354481 - 10/09/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

also where do I get measurements for the amount of water to coir for the pasteurization? can I use Damions tek for that small of a quantity


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354500 - 10/09/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

just use field capacity as your guide line:shrug:


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22354562 - 10/09/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've done some small bowls of it with buckettek/boiling water.  It says hot for a suprisingly long time for just a quart or two.  Just do it in a microwave bowl or plastic quart with a lid and give it a quick nuke after like 1 hour if you really care IMO.  Could also just leave it floating in a pot with a lid and some boiling water.

I like 3.75q/650g hydration for straight coir.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22358933 - 10/10/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So how many grams of coir would one put in a tray? Do you fill the tray to the top with spawn/substrate? How about when its fully colonized do I put the tray metal and all in the SGFC or Do I dump out the brick of colonized sub and put in there?


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22359386 - 10/10/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

650g coir hydrates to about 8qts.
dry mass=(desired volume/8)*650g
water to hydrate dry mass = (desired volume/8)*3.75qt

You can fruit them in trays or remove the sub from the trays to fruit.  Most people do it in trays, but if you are using an SGFC, it seems to me that the top of the substrate takes the least advantage of the humidity rising off the perlite.  It also adds some additional surface area for pinning.  Leave it in the tray if you're going to use a casing, or the pinset is already forming ontop before you fruit it.

Don't fill the trays all the way to the top, or your foil/plastic wrap will be in direct contact with the substrate surface.  Also if you intend to case you need to leave room.

Use a liner if you're going with metal trays so the fungi doesn't eat them.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22359576 - 10/10/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I guess a more direct question how much coir for one tray? I'm not going to use the whole brick at once so in terms of measurements and ratios to make sure I got it all down. 2 1/2 pint cakes would be obviously 1 pint that would mean I should have 3 pints of coir for those two cakes


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: newbie47]
    #22359935 - 10/10/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's not an exact science man just wing it. The more higher spawn/sub ratio they faster it will colonize.


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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22360288 - 10/10/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Mini Bulk trays [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22360303 - 10/10/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just looking for a higher yield cause 4 cakes only got me half ounce about and the 5 I have in now will probably yield about the same. I've got three older cakes I'm gonna try this method with first


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