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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Reagan nearly tripled the US debt ... Under Clinton we saw some of the smallest % gains of debt in decades during his administration
Congress was controlled by dems during Reagan, by GOP during Clinton, all spending originates in the house, or are you really that fucking clueless?
Yeah, we shouldn't have went to war, but that's not what is driving out debt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/23/does-the-united-states-have-128-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities/
So keep your head in the sand if you want, I am very aware of what and who is driving our debt
Multiple studies have shown that the total increases the Democratic controlled congress added to Reagan's budget amounted to a total of 8% of the increase in deficits under his administration. Reagan proposed big budgets, got them and then borrowed a ton. That's reality. He was anything but a fiscal hawk. He knew the stimulative impact of big spending and that's exactly what he did ... his entire administration.
Take a look at what the Mises institute says about Reagan ... this is coming from a true Austrian Economics, Capitalism (Ron Paul bases his proposals on this) based think tank ...
https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0
Reagan was all about big government, big spending, big borrowing and blaming it on everyone else. In other words, he was full of crap when it came to fiscal responsibility.
And once again, you're full of crap too.
The fact is, Reagan couldn't have borrowed or spent anything without the consent of a DEMOCRAT controlled congress, that's a fact, and you have NOTHING that can dispute that
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22414190 - 10/21/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The budget for the Department of Education, which candidate Reagan promised to abolish along with the Department of Energy, has more than doubled to $22.7 billion, Social Security spending has risen from $179 billion in 1981 to $269 billion in 1986. The price of farm programs went from $21.4 billion in 1981 to $51.4 billion in 1987, a 140% increase. And this doesn't count the recently signed $4 billion "drought-relief" measure. Medicare spending in 1981 was $43.5 billion; in 1987 it hit $80 billion. Federal entitlements cost $197.1 billion in 1981—and $477 billion in 1987.
So, which of these would you have had Reagan abolish? These are the big govt, liberal utopia programs that you love! And yet, you bitch about Reagan spending money on them, you're so full of crap!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22414205 - 10/21/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Reagan nearly tripled the US debt ... Under Clinton we saw some of the smallest % gains of debt in decades during his administration
Congress was controlled by dems during Reagan, by GOP during Clinton, all spending originates in the house, or are you really that fucking clueless?
Yeah, we shouldn't have went to war, but that's not what is driving out debt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/23/does-the-united-states-have-128-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities/
So keep your head in the sand if you want, I am very aware of what and who is driving our debt
Multiple studies have shown that the total increases the Democratic controlled congress added to Reagan's budget amounted to a total of 8% of the increase in deficits under his administration. Reagan proposed big budgets, got them and then borrowed a ton. That's reality. He was anything but a fiscal hawk. He knew the stimulative impact of big spending and that's exactly what he did ... his entire administration.
Take a look at what the Mises institute says about Reagan ... this is coming from a true Austrian Economics, Capitalism (Ron Paul bases his proposals on this) based think tank ...
https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0
Reagan was all about big government, big spending, big borrowing and blaming it on everyone else. In other words, he was full of crap when it came to fiscal responsibility.
And once again, you're full of crap too.
The fact is, Reagan couldn't have borrowed or spent anything without the consent of a DEMOCRAT controlled congress, that's a fact, and you have NOTHING that can dispute that
The budgets Reagan proposed were accepted by Congress. He didn't propose big spending cuts. And, of course Congress plays a big role in spending. We all know that.
Would you say the same thing about the GOP Congress Obama will have had for 6 of his 8 years? That they are more responsible for the increase in debt than he is? Or will you blame it all on the two years of the Democrat controlled congress instead?
You want it both ways ... blame Obama when he's President and give the GOP congress a free pass, but blame the Democrat congress when they're in power and give your Boy GWB a free pass. LOL ... typical party pushing Republican tactic. And, of course give Clinton's economic success credit to Gingrich and gang ... LMAO ...
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22414284 - 10/21/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Reagan nearly tripled the US debt ... Under Clinton we saw some of the smallest % gains of debt in decades during his administration
Congress was controlled by dems during Reagan, by GOP during Clinton, all spending originates in the house, or are you really that fucking clueless?
Yeah, we shouldn't have went to war, but that's not what is driving out debt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/23/does-the-united-states-have-128-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities/
So keep your head in the sand if you want, I am very aware of what and who is driving our debt
Multiple studies have shown that the total increases the Democratic controlled congress added to Reagan's budget amounted to a total of 8% of the increase in deficits under his administration. Reagan proposed big budgets, got them and then borrowed a ton. That's reality. He was anything but a fiscal hawk. He knew the stimulative impact of big spending and that's exactly what he did ... his entire administration.
Take a look at what the Mises institute says about Reagan ... this is coming from a true Austrian Economics, Capitalism (Ron Paul bases his proposals on this) based think tank ...
https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0
Reagan was all about big government, big spending, big borrowing and blaming it on everyone else. In other words, he was full of crap when it came to fiscal responsibility.
And once again, you're full of crap too.
The fact is, Reagan couldn't have borrowed or spent anything without the consent of a DEMOCRAT controlled congress, that's a fact, and you have NOTHING that can dispute that
The budgets Reagan proposed were accepted by Congress. He didn't propose big spending cuts. And, of course Congress plays a big role in spending. We all know that.
Would you say the same thing about the GOP Congress Obama will have had for 6 of his 8 years? That they are more responsible for the increase in debt than he is? Or will you blame it all on the two years of the Democrat controlled congress instead?
You want it both ways ... blame Obama when he's President and give the GOP congress a free pass, but blame the Democrat congress when they're in power and give your Boy GWB a free pass. LOL ... typical party pushing Republican tactic. And, of course give Clinton's economic success credit to Gingrich and gang ... LMAO ...
No, actually don't, YOU do, I fully blame GOP for overspending, but when GOP tries to curb the spending, what do dems cry? "They're starving children, shutting down the govt, seniors won't get their checks!" You seem to have a very selective memory about what happens when budget cuts are even proposed
Congress plays a huge role in spending, it dems who refuse to cut ANY spending ANY where, you're either blind or willfully ignorant,
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22414796 - 10/21/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: No, actually don't, YOU do, I fully blame GOP for overspending, but when GOP tries to curb the spending, what do dems cry? "They're starving children, shutting down the govt, seniors won't get their checks!" You seem to have a very selective memory about what happens when budget cuts are even proposed
Congress plays a huge role in spending, it dems who refuse to cut ANY spending ANY where, you're either blind or willfully ignorant,
That's because the places the want to cut money, and the amount of money they want to cut are not realistic or beneficial to society.
The only candidate I can think of on the GOP side that's reasonable on SOME fiscal issues is Rand Paul. He's the one who wants to cut military spending and draw back out of the wars. He goes way over the edge with other programs though.
Donald Trump wants to 'Rebuild our military'!!! LMAO!!! That's right, I said 'Rebuild'! lolz!!!
Sure, lets dump more money into the BIGGEST waste black fucking hole we have.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22414832 - 10/21/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: No, actually don't, YOU do, I fully blame GOP for overspending, but when GOP tries to curb the spending, what do dems cry? "They're starving children, shutting down the govt, seniors won't get their checks!" You seem to have a very selective memory about what happens when budget cuts are even proposed
Congress plays a huge role in spending, it dems who refuse to cut ANY spending ANY where, you're either blind or willfully ignorant,
That's because the places the want to cut money, and the amount of money they want to cut are not realistic or beneficial to society.
The only candidate I can think of on the GOP side that's reasonable on SOME fiscal issues is Rand Paul. He's the one who wants to cut military spending and draw back out of the wars. He goes way over the edge with other programs though.
Donald Trump wants to 'Rebuild our military'!!! LMAO!!! That's right, I said 'Rebuild'! lolz!!!
Sure, lets dump more money into the BIGGEST waste black fucking hole we have.
Obama came in as the biggest anti-military spending US president since Carter, then what happened? Full spending ahead!!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
#22414854 - 10/21/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obama is one of the maybe 5 Americans who can't run for president in 2016.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22414856 - 10/21/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: No, actually don't, YOU do, I fully blame GOP for overspending, but when GOP tries to curb the spending, what do dems cry? "They're starving children, shutting down the govt, seniors won't get their checks!" You seem to have a very selective memory about what happens when budget cuts are even proposed
Congress plays a huge role in spending, it dems who refuse to cut ANY spending ANY where, you're either blind or willfully ignorant,
That's because the places the want to cut money, and the amount of money they want to cut are not realistic or beneficial to society.
The only candidate I can think of on the GOP side that's reasonable on SOME fiscal issues is Rand Paul. He's the one who wants to cut military spending and draw back out of the wars. He goes way over the edge with other programs though.
Donald Trump wants to 'Rebuild our military'!!! LMAO!!! That's right, I said 'Rebuild'! lolz!!!
Sure, lets dump more money into the BIGGEST waste black fucking hole we have.
Yeah, because 19 TRILLION in debt is beneficial to society, do you even think about the shit you post?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22414872 - 10/21/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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^ what about that post leads you to believe he's advocating more debt?
Jesus Christ
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22414879 - 10/21/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: ^ what about that post leads you to believe he's advocating more debt?
Jesus Christ 
Are you retarded? 18 TRILLION in additional spending with no way to pay for it
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22414913 - 10/21/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: ^ what about that post leads you to believe he's advocating more debt?
Jesus Christ 
Are you retarded? 18 TRILLION in additional spending with no way to pay for it
If you're referring to Bernie, that 18 Trillion is not 'additional spending'. He also has a plan to pay for it.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22414950 - 10/21/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL that $18T article has been thoroughly debunked.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22414994 - 10/21/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: LOL that $18T article has been thoroughly debunked.
I noticed you didn't cite a source, is it because your whole post is bullshit?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22415209 - 10/21/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: LOL that $18T article has been thoroughly debunked.
I noticed you didn't cite a source, is it because your whole post is bullshit?
No it's because you don't even agree with your own sources, let alone others'.
But here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/15/no-bernie-sanders-is-not-going-to-bankrupt-america-to-the-tune-of-18-trillion/
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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How about a letter from the guy whose research was cited by the Wall Street Journal?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-friedman/the-wall-street-journal-k_b_8143062.html
He said the WSJ's interpretation of his numbers was a big mistake.
How many times do conservatives have to be proven wrong until they finally start to question their sources???
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22415251 - 10/21/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've already posted the WaPo link several times when the $18T number is brought up, I guess these people have short term memory loss idk
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22415366 - 10/21/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it's worse than short term memory loss - they don't seem to read the evidence proving their points wrong.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22415377 - 10/21/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I think it's worse than short term memory loss - they don't seem to read the evidence proving their points wrong. 
Washington post is hardly credible, but even with that, you think this is revenue neutral? Y'all fucked in the head...
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22415418 - 10/21/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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everyone is always so up in arms about debt. Now don't get me wrong, i think reserve banking is a horrible scam on the public. However, it is the system we have adopted. Here's the thing that people forget about our monetary system: every single federal reserve note (dollar bill) represents 1 dollar+interest. Thats because the assets backing those dollars are debt. (the full faith and credit of the united states government) No debt=no dollars.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: ballsalsa]
#22415461 - 10/21/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: everyone is always so up in arms about debt. Now don't get me wrong, i think reserve banking is a horrible scam on the public. However, it is the system we have adopted. Here's the thing that people forget about our monetary system: every single federal reserve note (dollar bill) represents 1 dollar+interest. Thats because the assets backing those dollars are debt. (the full faith and credit of the united states government) No debt=no dollars.
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That is severe BS, no debt= no dollars? That's maybe the most crazy shit I've seen put forward, just strait up insanity
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