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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22412873 - 10/21/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my lifetime, no administration did more damage to the country and our economy than GWB. The 08/09 economic train wreck stands alone as the most severe shock I've seen. Add to that 9/11, the Patriot Act and the Iraq invasion and his administration stands at the absolute pinnacle of total an complete incompetence. No one else even comes close.
You'll get no argument from me that GWB led like a liberal, remember his "compassionate conservatism"? His Medicaid and education bills made me want to throw up
However 08/09 recession can not be laid soley at his feet, don't forget, congress was controlled by dems for two years leading up to it, and to deny their culpability is the height of ignorance, or dishonesty, which is prolly the case here
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22412895 - 10/21/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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However 08/09 recession can not be laid soley at his feet, don't forget, congress was controlled by dems for two years leading up to it, and to deny their culpability is the height of ignorance, or dishonesty, which is prolly the case here
Before 08, the GOP controlled the Presidency for 20 of 28 years and controlled the House of Representatives for 12 of 14 years. Are you seriously suggesting that 18 months of a Democrat led House caused the economic collapse?
If that's what you're suggesting, that is, without a doubt, the dumbest thing you've said on this site that I've seen. Maybe you should read a book or two on what caused the Lehman collapse that set the dominoes falling and how the unregulated derivatives markets that Bush and a GOP led House that controlled all the banking committees had nearly 7 years to fix were at the heart of the problem and were DE-REGULATED by them ... Bush actually bragged over and over about "unleashing the banks" and "letting them compete" in the global marketplace.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22413408 - 10/21/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hehe, what has voting democrap done for you? An Obamaphone?
And what exactly has voting GOP gotten you? How is your world different as a result of your voting history?
At this point I'd say it comes down to voting for whoever plans to do the LEAST damage to our economy and the middle class, clearly that choice is GOP
The fact that you say the choice is clear just lends credence to the reputation of GOP voters as uneducated and rabidly anti education.
I would bet every single democrat voter here would acknowledge an ungodly amount of bullshit perpetrated by the Democratic establishment. And thats the difference between the blue base and the red base, at least on this subforum, an ability to see the gray area.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22413514 - 10/21/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At this point I'd say it comes down to voting for whoever plans to do the LEAST damage to our economy and the middle class, clearly that choice is GOP
How do you define "damage to our economy"??? Any definition I am aware of shows Democrats have done much better.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22413516 - 10/21/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hehe, what has voting democrap done for you? An Obamaphone?
And what exactly has voting GOP gotten you? How is your world different as a result of your voting history?
At this point I'd say it comes down to voting for whoever plans to do the LEAST damage to our economy and the middle class, clearly that choice is GOP
The fact that you say the choice is clear just lends credence to the reputation of GOP voters as uneducated and rabidly anti education.
I would bet every single democrat voter here would acknowledge an ungodly amount of bullshit perpetrated by the Democratic establishment. And thats the difference between the blue base and the red base, at least on this subforum, an ability to see the gray area.
More straw man and insults, is that all you have? I've said repeatedly I don't agree with much of what GWB did and that our massive debt is the fault of both parties
I've seen the gray area, when the bush tax cuts kicked in, I seen a boost in my wages, I like that, when Obamacare kicked in, I seen a doubling in my insurance premium, I don't like that, I guess it comes down to what you experience, all politics is local
And I've seen what socialism and totalitarian govts have done to other countries, no thanks
I recently seen a Bernie supporter here, I forget which one, you all look the same, actually support Castro because of his opposition to globalism and anti-corprotism, his free education and free healthcare, the guy had 60 years to make it work and the place was a shithole from start to finish, socialism fails everytime it's tried, Bernies's ideas are nothing new
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22413522 - 10/21/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22413588 - 10/21/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: " More strawmen...............heres some more strawmen!"
That's a great retort! Are you a Bernie supporter, by chance?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22413623 - 10/21/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a great retort! Are you a Bernie supporter, by chance?
If it came down to it, would you vote Jeb over Bernie?
Do you have even the slightest idea of what the difference is between militant socialism and a blend of socialism oriented safety nets and regulated "free" markets?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22413756 - 10/21/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a great retort! Are you a Bernie supporter, by chance?
If it came down to it, would you vote Jeb over Bernie?
Do you have even the slightest idea of what the difference is between militant socialism and a blend of socialism oriented safety nets and regulated "free" markets?
Irrelevant
Are you telling me that militant socialism is so different than the your "blend" of bullshit?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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That's a great retort! Are you a Bernie supporter, by chance?
If it came down to it, would you vote Jeb over Bernie?
Do you have even the slightest idea of what the difference is between militant socialism and a blend of socialism oriented safety nets and regulated "free" markets?
Irrelevant
Are you telling me that militant socialism is so different than the your "blend" of bullshit?
You tell me ... is there a difference between Nazi Germany and current day Germany?
A difference between the USSR and current day Denmark?
A difference between China pre 1990 and the United States?
The US has been a blend of regulated free markets + social safety nets for over 70 years ...
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22413788 - 10/21/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hehe, what has voting democrap done for you? An Obamaphone?
And what exactly has voting GOP gotten you? How is your world different as a result of your voting history?
At this point I'd say it comes down to voting for whoever plans to do the LEAST damage to our economy and the middle class, clearly that choice is GOP
LOL!!!!!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22413796 - 10/21/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a great retort! Are you a Bernie supporter, by chance?
If it came down to it, would you vote Jeb over Bernie?
Do you have even the slightest idea of what the difference is between militant socialism and a blend of socialism oriented safety nets and regulated "free" markets?
Irrelevant
Are you telling me that militant socialism is so different than the your "blend" of bullshit?
LOL!!!!!!
Yes.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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That's a great retort! Are you a Bernie supporter, by chance?
If it came down to it, would you vote Jeb over Bernie?
Do you have even the slightest idea of what the difference is between militant socialism and a blend of socialism oriented safety nets and regulated "free" markets?
Irrelevant
Are you telling me that militant socialism is so different than the your "blend" of bullshit?
You tell me ... is there a difference between Nazi Germany and current day Germany?
A difference between the USSR and current day Denmark?
A difference between China pre 1990 and the United States?
The US has been a blend of regulated free markets + social safety nets for over 70 years ...
yup, and now we are 19 trillion in debt with 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, hooray socialism!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said: yup, and now we are 19 trillion in debt with 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, hooray socialism!
That's Capitalist Imperialism, sir. Not Socialism! lmao!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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That's Capitalist Imperialism, sir. Not Socialism! lmao!
Lmfao! Yup, it's all capitalism's fault, is that why Canada, Norway, and Denmark don't have any debt???
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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yup, and now we are 19 trillion in debt with 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, hooray socialism!
Reagan nearly tripled the US debt ... Under Clinton we saw some of the smallest % gains of debt in decades during his administration.
GWB = 9/11 + Iraq war (unfunded) + unfunded expansion of medicare + huge tax cuts increasing deficits + economic train wreck ...
But ... oh yeah ... all the deficits leading to debt are because of democrat socialists!!!! LMAO.
You're truly reaching a new low in terms of saying absolutely stupid stuff. Carry on, it's hilarious.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22413855 - 10/21/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: yup, and now we are 19 trillion in debt with 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, hooray socialism!
That's Capitalist Imperialism, sir. Not Socialism! lmao!
Lmfao! Yup, it's all capitalism's fault, is that why Canada, Norway, and Denmark don't have any debt???
Capitalist states all
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Lmfao! Yup, it's all capitalism's fault, is that why Canada, Norway, and Denmark don't have any debt???
America doesn't have capitalism ... we have predatory, competition discouraging regulated markets. Read Adam Smith and you'll understand what free market capitalism is ... we are far, far from it.
Ours is a mutant blend of government/military collusion with giant corporations to privatize profits, fund campaigns/enrich the political class and discourage competition.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Reagan nearly tripled the US debt ... Under Clinton we saw some of the smallest % gains of debt in decades during his administration
Congress was controlled by dems during Reagan, by GOP during Clinton, all spending originates in the house, or are you really that fucking clueless?
Yeah, we shouldn't have went to war, but that's not what is driving out debt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/23/does-the-united-states-have-128-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities/
So keep your head in the sand if you want, I am very aware of what and who is driving our debt
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Reagan nearly tripled the US debt ... Under Clinton we saw some of the smallest % gains of debt in decades during his administration
Congress was controlled by dems during Reagan, by GOP during Clinton, all spending originates in the house, or are you really that fucking clueless?
Yeah, we shouldn't have went to war, but that's not what is driving out debt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/23/does-the-united-states-have-128-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities/
So keep your head in the sand if you want, I am very aware of what and who is driving our debt
Multiple studies have shown that the total increases the Democratic controlled congress added to Reagan's budget amounted to a total of 8% of the increase in deficits under his administration. Reagan proposed big budgets, got them and then borrowed a ton. That's reality. He was anything but a fiscal hawk. He knew the stimulative impact of big spending and that's exactly what he did ... his entire administration.
Take a look at what the Mises institute says about Reagan ... this is coming from a true Austrian Economics, Capitalism (Ron Paul bases his proposals on this) based think tank ...
https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0
Reagan was all about big government, big spending, big borrowing and blaming it on everyone else. In other words, he was full of crap when it came to fiscal responsibility.
And once again, you're full of crap too.
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