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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
    #22377652 - 10/14/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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And they agree (exception of Trump) not to debate or discuss the real economic issues- globalization, excess pool of both unskilled and skilled/educated workers, illegal immigration, monetary policy, ect.




Globalization + technology replacing human labor is the big issue of the 21st century in terms of how to manage a global economy. 

Very few politicians have the bandwidth to speak on those topics fluently.  I think Trump fakes it, to be honest. 

Predatory Capitalism is changing the global economy faster than any economic system that we've ever seen.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22377697 - 10/14/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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And they agree (exception of Trump) not to debate or discuss the real economic issues- globalization, excess pool of both unskilled and skilled/educated workers, illegal immigration, monetary policy, ect.




Globalization + technology replacing human labor is the big issue of the 21st century in terms of how to manage a global economy. 

Very few politicians have the bandwidth to speak on those topics fluently.  I think Trump fakes it, to be honest. 

Predatory Capitalism is changing the global economy faster than any economic system that we've ever seen.




Look at Wal-Mart today, they are talking about no sales growth (declining profits) for the next 3-4 years, and yes they are blaming everything but the obvious reality, the lower and middle class is dying a slow death in the US.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-14/wal-mart-tumbles-after-predicting-drop-in-fiscal-2017-earnings

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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
    #22377720 - 10/14/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:

Look at Wal-Mart today, they are talking about no sales growth (declining profits) for the next 3-4 years, and yes they are blaming everything but the obvious reality, the lower and middle class is dying a slow death in the US.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-14/wal-mart-tumbles-after-predicting-drop-in-fiscal-2017-earnings




Wal Mart is suffering more and more from better competition.  Costco alone has taken a huge bite out of Wal Mart's revenues because they do a lot of things much better than Wal Mart.  Amazon even more so.  Wal Mart also seems to symbolize the entire globalization problem rolled up into one company ...


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22377761 - 10/14/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
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qman said:

Look at Wal-Mart today, they are talking about no sales growth (declining profits) for the next 3-4 years, and yes they are blaming everything but the obvious reality, the lower and middle class is dying a slow death in the US.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-14/wal-mart-tumbles-after-predicting-drop-in-fiscal-2017-earnings




Wal Mart is suffering more and more from better competition.  Costco alone has taken a huge bite out of Wal Mart's revenues because they do a lot of things much better than Wal Mart.  Amazon even more so.  Wal Mart also seems to symbolize the entire globalization problem rolled up into one company ...




The competition has always been there, it's a very sad state of economic affairs when Wal-Mart (which is the barometer of the lower and middle class) has flat sales for years.

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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
    #22377800 - 10/14/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The competition has always been there, it's a very sad state of economic affairs when Wal-Mart (which is the barometer of the lower and middle class) has flat sales for years.




I think you're under estimating the growth of Amazon and Costco and others ... the sales are still there, they're just going to other competitors. 

Wal Mart never really improved the customer experience and one could easily argue it got worse every year. 

Having said that, earning/spending power in the lower and middle class has got to go up or this country is headed for some very serious problems soon.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22377875 - 10/14/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
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qman said:

The competition has always been there, it's a very sad state of economic affairs when Wal-Mart (which is the barometer of the lower and middle class) has flat sales for years.




I think you're under estimating the growth of Amazon and Costco and others ... the sales are still there, they're just going to other competitors. 

Wal Mart never really improved the customer experience and one could easily argue it got worse every year. 

Having said that, earning/spending power in the lower and middle class has got to go up or this country is headed for some very serious problems soon.




They opened a super Wal-Mart in my area 2 years ago, I have admit it's a nice store. Many of the customers that shop at Wal-Mart aren't very sophisticated, they don't shop online and they don't pay for memberships.

Even with gasoline at $2 per gallon and a growing population, the company can't get going.  What happens if the US enters a real economic recession in the next 1-3 years?  Not good.

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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
    #22377905 - 10/14/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What happens if the US enters a real economic recession in the next 1-3 years?  Not good.




When was a recession ever good? 

There are a lot of wild cards out there that create all kinds of potential and risk ... water problems, nano manufacturing, increasing trade protectionist sentiment growing, emerging markets currency problems, genome engineering, ISIS ...

It's hard to see the future right now.  One thing for sure, though, nano-manufacturing is going to change things more than the computer + cell phone + internet did and it will happen fast.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
    #22378249 - 10/14/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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qman said:

The competition has always been there, it's a very sad state of economic affairs when Wal-Mart (which is the barometer of the lower and middle class) has flat sales for years.




I think you're under estimating the growth of Amazon and Costco and others ... the sales are still there, they're just going to other competitors. 

Wal Mart never really improved the customer experience and one could easily argue it got worse every year. 

Having said that, earning/spending power in the lower and middle class has got to go up or this country is headed for some very serious problems soon.




They opened a super Wal-Mart in my area 2 years ago, I have admit it's a nice store. Many of the customers that shop at Wal-Mart aren't very sophisticated, they don't shop online and they don't pay for memberships.

Even with gasoline at $2 per gallon and a growing population, the company can't get going.  What happens if the US enters a real economic recession in the next 1-3 years?  Not good.




We have to get the money thats been amassing in the bank accounts of the wealthy back into circulation.

Also, as far as globalization and robots taking jobs, etc... we're going to need some form of Socialism when there aren't any jobs left due to automation. We will get to that point eventually. If we don't fix this situation before then, we may not have the chance when we're dominated in every way by our wealthy masters who do not need laborers or even white-collar workers anymore.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22380568 - 10/14/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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qman said:

The competition has always been there, it's a very sad state of economic affairs when Wal-Mart (which is the barometer of the lower and middle class) has flat sales for years.




I think you're under estimating the growth of Amazon and Costco and others ... the sales are still there, they're just going to other competitors. 

Wal Mart never really improved the customer experience and one could easily argue it got worse every year. 

Having said that, earning/spending power in the lower and middle class has got to go up or this country is headed for some very serious problems soon.




They opened a super Wal-Mart in my area 2 years ago, I have admit it's a nice store. Many of the customers that shop at Wal-Mart aren't very sophisticated, they don't shop online and they don't pay for memberships.

Even with gasoline at $2 per gallon and a growing population, the company can't get going.  What happens if the US enters a real economic recession in the next 1-3 years?  Not good.




We have to get the money thats been amassing in the bank accounts of the wealthy back into circulation.

Also, as far as globalization and robots taking jobs, etc... we're going to need some form of Socialism when there aren't any jobs left due to automation. We will get to that point eventually. If we don't fix this situation before then, we may not have the chance when we're dominated in every way by our wealthy masters who do not need laborers or even white-collar workers anymore.





Actually every dollar that lies dormant in someone's bank account only increases the VALUE of the dollar (even for the poor).

Remember how the gov' prints billions of dollars each year and why a Car used to cost $3,000 (in the 1970s) now costs $30,000. That's because of inflation caused by our government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_tax


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22380688 - 10/14/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You have a point. If everyone rushed out and spent all the money they had, there would be massive shortages and price increases thereby devaluing the dollar. Otoh, the economy would finally get the jolt it needed and would take off since the chump in the white house certainly can't do the job.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22381323 - 10/14/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you're under estimating the growth of Amazon and Costco and others ... the sales are still there, they're just going to other competitors. 

Wal Mart never really improved the customer experience and one could easily argue it got worse every year. 

Having said that, earning/spending power in the lower and middle class has got to go up or this country is headed for some very serious problems soon.




They opened a super Wal-Mart in my area 2 years ago, I have admit it's a nice store. Many of the customers that shop at Wal-Mart aren't very sophisticated, they don't shop online and they don't pay for memberships.

Even with gasoline at $2 per gallon and a growing population, the company can't get going.  What happens if the US enters a real economic recession in the next 1-3 years?  Not good.




We have to get the money thats been amassing in the bank accounts of the wealthy back into circulation.

Also, as far as globalization and robots taking jobs, etc... we're going to need some form of Socialism when there aren't any jobs left due to automation. We will get to that point eventually. If we don't fix this situation before then, we may not have the chance when we're dominated in every way by our wealthy masters who do not need laborers or even white-collar workers anymore.





Actually every dollar that lies dormant in someone's bank account only increases the VALUE of the dollar (even for the poor).

Remember how the gov' prints billions of dollars each year and why a Car used to cost $3,000 (in the 1970s) now costs $30,000. That's because of inflation caused by our government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_tax




That's not true...
Wealthy people stashing money is not equivalent to deflation of the dollar. I don't know where you got such an idea, but it is incorrect. They're not burning the money, afterall.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22381915 - 10/15/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually every dollar that lies dormant in someone's bank account only increases the VALUE of the dollar (even for the poor).

Remember how the gov' prints billions of dollars each year and why a Car used to cost $3,000 (in the 1970s) now costs $30,000. That's because of inflation caused by our government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_tax




The money supply is dynamic not static.  The bulk of our money supply is created through lending from BANKS, through fractional reserve system.  Money sitting in a bank account does not increase the value of the dollar and, in fact, has quite the opposite impact because of fractional reserve lending. 

Perhaps if all the billionaires got together, took all their money out of real estate and securities and, instead just bought physical precious metals and jewels and vaulted it, we'd see a contraction of the money supply, but I doubt it. 

The main reason right now that our economy just can't get going is because banks are more interested in lending to the wealthy and to corporations for financial engineering schemes, stock buybacks and expansion overseas than they are to lending to everyday consumers.  Money is getting into the economy, for sure, it just doesn't get in the way it used to and that's the problem.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22384147 - 10/15/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
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burgerbrain said:

Actually every dollar that lies dormant in someone's bank account only increases the VALUE of the dollar (even for the poor).

Remember how the gov' prints billions of dollars each year and why a Car used to cost $3,000 (in the 1970s) now costs $30,000. That's because of inflation caused by our government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_tax




The money supply is dynamic not static.  The bulk of our money supply is created through lending from BANKS, through fractional reserve system.  Money sitting in a bank account does not increase the value of the dollar and, in fact, has quite the opposite impact because of fractional reserve lending. 

Perhaps if all the billionaires got together, took all their money out of real estate and securities and, instead just bought physical precious metals and jewels and vaulted it, we'd see a contraction of the money supply, but I doubt it. 

The main reason right now that our economy just can't get going is because banks are more interested in lending to the wealthy and to corporations for financial engineering schemes, stock buybacks and expansion overseas than they are to lending to everyday consumers.  Money is getting into the economy, for sure, it just doesn't get in the way it used to and that's the problem.





Wrong again. The Fractional Reserve System are rules established by the FED (A Government Organization) - This is how OUR GOVERNMENT adds money to the pool- causing inflation.


www.federalreserve.gov/
Federal Reserve System
The "Fed" is the central bank of the United States and controls the money supply.
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, commonly known as the Federal Reserve Board, is the main governing body of the Federal Reserve System. It is charged with overseeing the Federal Reserve Banks and with helping implement monetary policy of the United States.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22384342 - 10/15/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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burgerbrain said:
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KauaiOrca said:
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burgerbrain said:

Actually every dollar that lies dormant in someone's bank account only increases the VALUE of the dollar (even for the poor).

Remember how the gov' prints billions of dollars each year and why a Car used to cost $3,000 (in the 1970s) now costs $30,000. That's because of inflation caused by our government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_tax




The money supply is dynamic not static.  The bulk of our money supply is created through lending from BANKS, through fractional reserve system.  Money sitting in a bank account does not increase the value of the dollar and, in fact, has quite the opposite impact because of fractional reserve lending. 

Perhaps if all the billionaires got together, took all their money out of real estate and securities and, instead just bought physical precious metals and jewels and vaulted it, we'd see a contraction of the money supply, but I doubt it. 

The main reason right now that our economy just can't get going is because banks are more interested in lending to the wealthy and to corporations for financial engineering schemes, stock buybacks and expansion overseas than they are to lending to everyday consumers.  Money is getting into the economy, for sure, it just doesn't get in the way it used to and that's the problem.





Wrong again. The Fractional Reserve System are rules established by the FED (A Government Organization) - This is how OUR GOVERNMENT adds money to the pool- causing inflation.


www.federalreserve.gov/
Federal Reserve System
The "Fed" is the central bank of the United States and controls the money supply.
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, commonly known as the Federal Reserve Board, is the main governing body of the Federal Reserve System. It is charged with overseeing the Federal Reserve Banks and with helping implement monetary policy of the United States.





The Federal Reserve is not a government institution.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22384352 - 10/15/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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burgerbrain said:
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KauaiOrca said:
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burgerbrain said:

Actually every dollar that lies dormant in someone's bank account only increases the VALUE of the dollar (even for the poor).

Remember how the gov' prints billions of dollars each year and why a Car used to cost $3,000 (in the 1970s) now costs $30,000. That's because of inflation caused by our government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_tax




The money supply is dynamic not static.  The bulk of our money supply is created through lending from BANKS, through fractional reserve system.  Money sitting in a bank account does not increase the value of the dollar and, in fact, has quite the opposite impact because of fractional reserve lending. 

Perhaps if all the billionaires got together, took all their money out of real estate and securities and, instead just bought physical precious metals and jewels and vaulted it, we'd see a contraction of the money supply, but I doubt it. 

The main reason right now that our economy just can't get going is because banks are more interested in lending to the wealthy and to corporations for financial engineering schemes, stock buybacks and expansion overseas than they are to lending to everyday consumers.  Money is getting into the economy, for sure, it just doesn't get in the way it used to and that's the problem.





Wrong again. The Fractional Reserve System are rules established by the FED (A Government Organization) - This is how OUR GOVERNMENT adds money to the pool- causing inflation.


www.federalreserve.gov/
Federal Reserve System
The "Fed" is the central bank of the United States and controls the money supply.
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, commonly known as the Federal Reserve Board, is the main governing body of the Federal Reserve System. It is charged with overseeing the Federal Reserve Banks and with helping implement monetary policy of the United States.





The Federal Reserve is not a government institution.





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The Federal Reserve Act (ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch. 3) is an Act of Congress that created and established the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States, and granted it the legal authority to issue Federal Reserve Notes (now commonly known as the U.S. ...
The Federal Reserve Board, consisting of seven members, was created as the governing body of the Fed. Each member is appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. In 1935, the Board was renamed and restructured. Also created as part of the Federal Reserve System was a 12-member Federal Advisory Committee and a single new United States currency, the Federal Reserve Note. The Federal Reserve act did create a national currency, but more importantly, the act was to create a monetary system that could respond effectively to the different stresses in the banking system and create a stable financial system. Along with the goal of creating a national monetary system and financial stability, the Federal Reserve Act also provided many other functions and financial services for the economy such as a check clearing and collection for all members of the Federal Reserve.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22384398 - 10/15/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Federal Reserve is not a government institution.



For all intents and purposes, I would say the Fed is a Government institution, but that's irrelevant to the current discussion.  Yes, money is added to the money supply at a rate that sets inflation around 3% per year.  It's a well know fact that burgerbrain seems to think is some kind of revelation.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22384411 - 10/15/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Federal Reserve is not a government institution.



For all intents and purposes, I would say the Fed is a Government institution, but that's irrelevant to the current discussion.  Yes, money is added to the money supply at a rate that sets inflation around 3% per year.  It's a well know fact that burgerbrain seems to think is some kind of revelation.




I was simply trying to educate your liberal friends.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22384443 - 10/15/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I was simply trying to educate your liberal friends.



wooof is WAY more educated that you are.  And the argument about whether the Fed is public or private can be made both ways.  Regardless, it's irrelevant to the current discussion.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22384473 - 10/15/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I was simply trying to educate your liberal friends.



wooof is WAY more educated that you are.  And the argument about whether the Fed is public or private can be made both ways.  Regardless, it's irrelevant to the current discussion.




Yeah educated people go around typing this in forums:

"The Federal Reserve is not a government institution." -Bigbadwooof


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22384518 - 10/15/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's a grey area.  You've argued against things that are black and white.


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