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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22452911 - 10/30/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Premiums are still going up under Ocare, mine have doubled, so yeah, now that's a great plan!
Ours have not doubled or even increased anywhere near that. Increases about on par with the increases pre-obamacare.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22452912 - 10/30/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My mother does home healthcare taking care of the elderly, her last client lived to be 99 years old because of modern medical improvements, we held our family holidays there, he was a great and wise man, the fact that you fucking people would have told him to go die in his seventies absolutely sickens me
So, you are FOR a medicare system that allows a person to receive $500,000 in benefits when they only paid in $65,000 in taxes to fund it? Is that your position?
WHO should pay for all these end of life procedures?
It's called "insurance" maybe you've heard of it? He had great private insurance along with the BS Medicare, Medicare denied most of his claims, so there's that, yeah, go fucking die already you old fucker!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22452918 - 10/30/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My mother does home healthcare taking care of the elderly, her last client lived to be 99 years old because of modern medical improvements, we held our family holidays there, he was a great and wise man, the fact that you fucking people would have told him to go die in his seventies absolutely sickens me
So, you are FOR a medicare system that allows a person to receive $500,000 in benefits when they only paid in $65,000 in taxes to fund it? Is that your position?
WHO should pay for all these end of life procedures?
It's called "insurance" maybe you've heard of it? He had great private insurance along with the BS Medicare, Medicare denied most of his claims, so there's that, yeah, go fucking die already you old fucker!
Medicare denied most of his claims? What kind of procedures was he having? If anything, medicare is accused of being to generous with paying for procedures for the elderly.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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If he can afford all the health care he desires, more power to him, but don't make the taxpayer fund it to get the doctors rich. That man never contributed enough to medicare to fund his health expenses, so who did?
So you want singlepayer? Who pays in singlepayer? The tax payers! Wth is wrong with you people?
He also had insurance, I agree, the taxpayers shouldn't be in the hook for it, that's why I am against singlepayer. I also agree that when you retire you shouldn't be told "go home and die already", the other reason I'm against singlepayer
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22452934 - 10/30/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My mother does home healthcare taking care of the elderly, her last client lived to be 99 years old because of modern medical improvements, we held our family holidays there, he was a great and wise man, the fact that you fucking people would have told him to go die in his seventies absolutely sickens me
So, you are FOR a medicare system that allows a person to receive $500,000 in benefits when they only paid in $65,000 in taxes to fund it? Is that your position?
WHO should pay for all these end of life procedures?
It's called "insurance" maybe you've heard of it? He had great private insurance along with the BS Medicare, Medicare denied most of his claims, so there's that, yeah, go fucking die already you old fucker!
If you have the money a person can buy anything, should Medicare spend $500k on a 80 year old person who's going to die next month and who's also broke?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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If he can afford all the health care he desires, more power to him, but don't make the taxpayer fund it to get the doctors rich. That man never contributed enough to medicare to fund his health expenses, so who did?
So you want singlepayer? Who pays in singlepayer? The tax payers! Wth is wrong with you people?
He also had insurance, I agree, the taxpayers shouldn't be in the hook for it, that's why I am against singlepayer. I also agree that when you retire you shouldn't be told "go home and die already", the other reason I'm against singlepayer
If we did not have medicare, do you truly believe private insurance companies would be lining up to cover seniors in there last 5 years of life? What do you think the premiums would be after a Senior hit age 70 if there was no medicare system at all?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22452956 - 10/30/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If he can afford all the health care he desires, more power to him, but don't make the taxpayer fund it to get the doctors rich. That man never contributed enough to medicare to fund his health expenses, so who did?
So you want singlepayer? Who pays in singlepayer? The tax payers! Wth is wrong with you people?
He also had insurance, I agree, the taxpayers shouldn't be in the hook for it, that's why I am against singlepayer. I also agree that when you retire you shouldn't be told "go home and die already", the other reason I'm against singlepayer
If we did not have medicare, do you truly believe private insurance companies would be lining up to cover seniors in there last 5 years of life? What do you think the premiums would be after a Senior hit age 70 if there was no medicare system at all?
That's why that story really isn't making any sense, unless he can pay out of pocket, private insurance isn't getting involved with the half dead.
Medicare is so very generous with their coverage, that's why we're going broke.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
#22452966 - 10/30/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's why that story really isn't making any sense, unless he can pay out of pocket, private insurance isn't getting involved with the half dead.
Medicare is so very generous with their coverage, that's why we're going broke. 
Daffy makes a lot of stuff up, frankly.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22452967 - 10/30/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's why that story really isn't making any sense, unless he can pay out of pocket, private insurance isn't getting involved with the half dead.
Medicare is so very generous with their coverage, that's why we're going broke. 
Daffy makes a lot of stuff up, frankly.
No, that's you, mr "I'm a big successful business owner" LMFAO!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22452977 - 10/30/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, that's you, mr "I'm a big successful business owner" LMFAO!
The 08/09 financial train wreck almost put us out of business. Shrunk from 60 employees to 12 ... A lot of my clients went under. We're back up to 45 so the trend is positive. The last 3 years our business is booming and our clients are doing really well.
Sorry you're not able to do well in this economy.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22453192 - 10/30/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's why that story really isn't making any sense, unless he can pay out of pocket, private insurance isn't getting involved with the half dead.
Medicare is so very generous with their coverage, that's why we're going broke. 
Daffy makes a lot of stuff up, frankly.
Kinda reminds me of a letter some other user told me about...
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22453241 - 10/30/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, that's you, mr "I'm a big successful business owner" LMFAO!
The 08/09 financial train wreck almost put us out of business. Shrunk from 60 employees to 12 ... A lot of my clients went under. We're back up to 45 so the trend is positive. The last 3 years our business is booming and our clients are doing really well.
Sorry you're not able to do well in this economy.
Thanks for your sympathy, I'm glad your business is booming, do you pass out food stamps for a living? Or maybe you're one of Obama's cronies? Oh, I got it, your a solar panel maker, getting rich off the backs of taxpayers!
Fact is, most people that are doing well in this economy, are doing well in spite of Obama, not because of anything he's done, he's been a dismal failure for job creation and economic activity.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22453281 - 10/30/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fact is, most people that are doing well in this economy, are doing well in spite of Obama, not because of anything he's done, he's been a dismal failure for job creation and economic activity.
I think this statement is true regardless of who is in power. Government is rarely the cause of a person's business success unless you're in a market where you contract with the government, which we don't except in rare circumstances.
The last 3 years have been good and our clients are doing really well too so it's a broad based recovery.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Fact is, most people that are doing well in this economy, are doing well in spite of Obama, not because of anything he's done, he's been a dismal failure for job creation and economic activity.
I think this statement is true regardless of who is in power. Government is rarely the cause of a person's business success unless you're in a market where you contract with the government, which we don't except in rare circumstances.
The last 3 years have been good and our clients are doing really well too so it's a broad based recovery.
Must be a prostitute...
I agree, I'm doing well in spite of Obumble also, and so are our "clients" lol. Obama can't stop us, he's trying, but he'll never succeed, because he's a loser, just like his supporters
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22453387 - 10/30/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Must be a prostitute...
I agree, I'm doing well in spite of Obumble also, and so are our "clients" lol. Obama can't stop us, he's trying, but he'll never succeed, because he's a loser, just like his supporters
Most of our clients are financial services firms ... some overseas call centers as well.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Must be a prostitute...
I agree, I'm doing well in spite of Obumble also, and so are our "clients" lol. Obama can't stop us, he's trying, but he'll never succeed, because he's a loser, just like his supporters
Most of our clients are financial services firms ... some overseas call centers as well.
So, you're like a banker? Financial services? Did you collapse the economy?lol
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Must be a prostitute...
I agree, I'm doing well in spite of Obumble also, and so are our "clients" lol. Obama can't stop us, he's trying, but he'll never succeed, because he's a loser, just like his supporters
Most of our clients are financial services firms ... some overseas call centers as well.
So, you're like a banker? Financial services? Did you collapse the economy?lol
Not a banker, but have worked with a lot of banks and brokerages and insurance companies. We were right there when it all came loose ... We do customer, product, service and sales research for them to determine strategy changes needed.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Not a banker, but have worked with a lot of banks and brokerages and insurance companies. We were right there when it all came loose ... We do customer, product, service and sales research for them to determine strategy changes needed.
So, you help banks find ways to exploit the poor?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22453619 - 10/30/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not a banker, but have worked with a lot of banks and brokerages and insurance companies. We were right there when it all came loose ... We do customer, product, service and sales research for them to determine strategy changes needed.
So, you help banks find ways to exploit the poor?
Nope ... generally advise them to stop doing stupid things they aren't even aware of.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22453891 - 10/30/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not a banker, but have worked with a lot of banks and brokerages and insurance companies. We were right there when it all came loose ... We do customer, product, service and sales research for them to determine strategy changes needed.
So, you help banks find ways to exploit the poor?
Nope ... generally advise them to stop doing stupid things they aren't even aware of.
And what do YOU produce? Hey woofie! Can you tell orca how meaningless his job is? Please???
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