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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
#22427907 - 10/24/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obama still calls the Wall Street bankers every name in the book and has done it for 7 years straight, the result? Empty rhetoric!!
Basically what I'm saying is, she's really not what she appears to be, she's one of THEM.
I agree with you on Obama and politicians in general, but in Warren's case, at least with the big financial institutions, I think she's the real deal and isn't just throwing out political rhetoric. I definitely think we would push very strong banking reforms if she had the power.
In terms of her other political motivations, I can't say, but with regard to breaking up the banks and getting them out of risky trading, I think she's walking the talk.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22428041 - 10/24/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Excellent!
IKR! I love the pic of obama with the fly, like one of those little starving kids in africa too dumb to get the damn fly off their eyeball!
Flies around shit, bees around honey

you gotta admit, he's pretty fly for a (half) white guy!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22429839 - 10/24/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: The EX-IM Bank is supposed to support small business.
Warren wants to raise the percentage that goes to this and police it when it fails to do so.
Context is everything.
small business? I guess the definition of GE and Boeing are now 'small business' 
You're strawmanning Warren's position beca
use you have a hardon for her or what?
I love how you suddenly defend the EX-IM bank. By the way, why has Bernie come out totally against the EX-IM, calling it a crony giveaway bank?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: starfire_xes]
#22430948 - 10/25/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not defending or attacking the EX-IM Bank. I'm clarifying Warren's position.
The intent of the bank was to help small businesses compete overseas. That's clearly not what the bank is doing. Warren supports the bank as intended. Not as it is. She wants better oversight and a larger percentage to go to small businesses instead of big corps.
I think helping small businesses compete in the global market is a good idea. I think helping large businesses that already dominate the global market is crony capitalism.
I don't see Warren's or Bernie's positions as being at odds with each other. Neither of them likes the bank as it is and see it as primarily a vehicle of corporate welfare.
As I said, I think you just have a hardon for Warren and are strawmanning her position.
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Earlier this month, the Senate passed legislation to help arm moderate Syrian rebels that included a life extension for the bank until 2015. Ironically, some opponents of corporate welfare, such Republican Sen. Marco Rubio ended up voting to keep the bank alive, while Senators who signaled they would vote for the bank, such as Warren, ended up voting against the interests of the bank.
So why aren't you jumping on Rubio?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22438542 - 10/27/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: I'm not defending or attacking the EX-IM Bank. I'm clarifying Warren's position.
The intent of the bank was to help small businesses compete overseas. That's clearly not what the bank is doing. Warren supports the bank as intended. Not as it is. She wants better oversight and a larger percentage to go to small businesses instead of big corps.
I think helping small businesses compete in the global market is a good idea. I think helping large businesses that already dominate the global market is crony capitalism.
I don't see Warren's or Bernie's positions as being at odds with each other. Neither of them likes the bank as it is and see it as primarily a vehicle of corporate welfare.
As I said, I think you just have a hardon for Warren and are strawmanning her position.
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Earlier this month, the Senate passed legislation to help arm moderate Syrian rebels that included a life extension for the bank until 2015. Ironically, some opponents of corporate welfare, such Republican Sen. Marco Rubio ended up voting to keep the bank alive, while Senators who signaled they would vote for the bank, such as Warren, ended up voting against the interests of the bank.
So why aren't you jumping on Rubio?
Yawn
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22439158 - 10/27/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So the only point of your comment was to troll me?
By the way, that rating I left you, it's the only 0 I've given out. Which means it's worth a lot more than the one you gave me while you were playing tit-for-tat with all the 'libtards'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15793293/fpart/1/vc/1
Welcome to ignore baby. Enjoy your shit ratings.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22439179 - 10/27/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: So the only point of your comment was to troll me?
By the way, that rating I left you, it's the only 0 I've given out. Which means it's worth a lot more than the one you gave me while you were playing tit-for-tat with all the 'libtards'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15793293/fpart/1/vc/1
Welcome to ignore baby. Enjoy your shit ratings.

You're a liar, you gave me a zero too, typical lib, always lying, lol
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22439307 - 10/27/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: So the only point of your comment was to troll me?
By the way, that rating I left you, it's the only 0 I've given out. Which means it's worth a lot more than the one you gave me while you were playing tit-for-tat with all the 'libtards'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15793293/fpart/1/vc/1
Welcome to ignore baby. Enjoy your shit ratings.

You're a liar, you gave me a zero too, typical lib, always lying, lol
Poor libs-When they can't handle the truth they attempt to destroy the free speech.
paperback lies every time he posts something. I'm glad he ignored me, maybe now he won't troll my OPs
Hehe, "ratings" must be an important part of his life. He puts a lot of faith in what other people think (Like most libs)
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22439316 - 10/27/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You two would be banned if the only mod who skims this sub didn't have a soft spot for people's who's heads have soft spots.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22439321 - 10/27/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: You two would be banned if the only mod who skims this sub didn't have a soft spot for people's who's heads have soft spots.
That's you, why do you keep posting about yourself?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22439326 - 10/27/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's you, why do you keep posting about yourself?
You sound like a 5 year old on a playground.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22439332 - 10/27/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's you, why do you keep posting about yourself?
You sound like a 5 year old on a playground.
Funny, could have said the same about you.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22439337 - 10/27/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Funny, could have said the same about you.
Yeah, but you didn't ... then you parroted it just like a 5 year old ... again.
Your maturity level is in need of an upgrade.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22439349 - 10/27/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Funny, could have said the same about you.
Yeah, but you didn't ... then you parroted it just like a 5 year old ... again.
Your maturity level is in need of an upgrade.
Hehe, yet more mature than you.
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#22439409 - 10/27/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: ballsalsa]
#22439419 - 10/27/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22441710 - 10/27/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: "What I mean by this is that proponents of these ideals always seem to have a swift answer to the most complex problems the world faces.
Poverty? Government stooges will fix it. Corrupt government? Government stooges will fix it. Income inequality? Government stooges will fix it. Geopolitics? Government stooges will fix it. Racism? Government stooges will fix it.
Granted, these views don't represent all the proponents of said philosophies, but I'm speaking on what I see most often. And here's the root of the problem: There is no single vial of snake oil that will cure all of society's ills, and your typical Collectivist believes just the opposite.
And they do so because it's EASY to think that way."





I noticed the libs have yet to prove the OP wrong.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22442127 - 10/27/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: I'm not defending or attacking the EX-IM Bank. I'm clarifying Warren's position.
The intent of the bank was to help small businesses compete overseas. That's clearly not what the bank is doing. Warren supports the bank as intended. Not as it is. She wants better oversight and a larger percentage to go to small businesses instead of big corps.
I think helping small businesses compete in the global market is a good idea. I think helping large businesses that already dominate the global market is crony capitalism.
I don't see Warren's or Bernie's positions as being at odds with each other. Neither of them likes the bank as it is and see it as primarily a vehicle of corporate welfare.
As I said, I think you just have a hardon for Warren and are strawmanning her position.
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Earlier this month, the Senate passed legislation to help arm moderate Syrian rebels that included a life extension for the bank until 2015. Ironically, some opponents of corporate welfare, such Republican Sen. Marco Rubio ended up voting to keep the bank alive, while Senators who signaled they would vote for the bank, such as Warren, ended up voting against the interests of the bank.
So why aren't you jumping on Rubio?
Rubio is a fuckhead too.
so warren flip-flopped eh? Bernie doesn't like the EX-IM, neither does Ted Cruz, and a few other libertarian leaning R's. Almost everyone else is for it. It's part of the gravy train. Also, it is affectionatley known as 'The Boeing Bank'

And Warren saying she wants to change it is bullshit. Tell me why should the US taxpayer fund companies that want to set up in other countries? For example, a major hotel chain was getting funded to set up a resort in Egypt by the Ex-Im. That doesn't create american jobs.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22442548 - 10/27/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said:
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burgerbrain said: "What I mean by this is that proponents of these ideals always seem to have a swift answer to the most complex problems the world faces.
Poverty? Government stooges will fix it. Corrupt government? Government stooges will fix it. Income inequality? Government stooges will fix it. Geopolitics? Government stooges will fix it. Racism? Government stooges will fix it.
Granted, these views don't represent all the proponents of said philosophies, but I'm speaking on what I see most often. And here's the root of the problem: There is no single vial of snake oil that will cure all of society's ills, and your typical Collectivist believes just the opposite.
And they do so because it's EASY to think that way."





I noticed the libs have yet to prove the OP wrong.
Lol... as if you'd even know if anyone ever proved anything wrong... you prove yourself wrong 50% of the time! Lmao!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22442633 - 10/27/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I noticed the libs have yet to prove the OP wrong.
Lol... as if you'd even know if anyone ever proved anything wrong... you prove yourself wrong 50% of the time! Lmao!
Hehe, list an example or are you bullshitting again, Obowmabot?
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