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The Ecstatic
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Stonehenge]
#22426629 - 10/24/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Some people have conservaphobia. They are afraid of what they don't understand.
That's weird because I see made up words like "Obumble" and "libtard" a lot, and don't ever see their conservative counterparts...
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22426690 - 10/24/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Some people have conservaphobia. They are afraid of what they don't understand.
That's weird because I see made up words like "Obumble" and "libtard" a lot, and don't ever see their conservative counterparts...
S gets a tingle in his shorts every time he types "Obumble" or a derogatory term about democrats/liberals. It's a form of self stimulation for him.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22427296 - 10/24/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's true. Unfortunately, the same appears to be true about Democrats in this country. They apparently want Hillary. There is a huge movement within the party, but it doesn't really mean a whole lot. Even if Bernie won, the corporatist Democrats in congress will keep voting centrist. A few good ones like Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren and some others will stand up for American labor, but that's about it. This country will continue to polarize until it strangles itself.
America hasn't been so polarized as it is now since the Civil War. The right has its extremist Libertarian Teabaggers, and the left has its 'Socialists' (which in modern day America is considered fringe extremism!). The media is moving closer and closer to the kind of corruption you might expect from the opressive governments of the 20th century, and the people are uneducated and uninformed.
QFT! Great post. 100% accurate assessment of what is happening right now. This is the main reason I think the best solution is a break up of America. The idea that we will "come together" is total nonsense. We're too big, too bloated, and too polarized.
In the 08/09 financial train wreck, a lot of states came dangerously close to not being able to pay their bills. Another shock like that or worse will put them into even worse financial shape ... this could create the conditions for the breakup ...
In my humble opinion, I don't think America is anywhere near polarized enough
Polarized enough to fall apart? Or not as polarized as you'd like it to be?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22427310 - 10/24/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not polarized enough to bring about the serious change we need
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22427357 - 10/24/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's true. Unfortunately, the same appears to be true about Democrats in this country. They apparently want Hillary. There is a huge movement within the party, but it doesn't really mean a whole lot. Even if Bernie won, the corporatist Democrats in congress will keep voting centrist. A few good ones like Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren and some others will stand up for American labor, but that's about it. This country will continue to polarize until it strangles itself.
Were you referring to the ELizabeth Warren who supports the crony capitalist EX-IM bank, or is there a different one??
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: starfire_xes]
#22427383 - 10/24/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The EX-IM Bank is supposed to support small business.
Warren wants to raise the percentage that goes to this and police it when it fails to do so.
Context is everything.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: starfire_xes] 1
#22427409 - 10/24/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's true. Unfortunately, the same appears to be true about Democrats in this country. They apparently want Hillary. There is a huge movement within the party, but it doesn't really mean a whole lot. Even if Bernie won, the corporatist Democrats in congress will keep voting centrist. A few good ones like Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren and some others will stand up for American labor, but that's about it. This country will continue to polarize until it strangles itself.
Were you referring to the ELizabeth Warren who supports the crony capitalist EX-IM bank, or is there a different one??
Accusing Elizabeth Warren as supporting any form of Crony Capitalism is about as intellectually dishonest as you can get. If ever there was a voice in the fog screaming for a fairer environment for real competition and small business, it's Elizabeth Warren.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22427414 - 10/24/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: The EX-IM Bank is supposed to support small business.
Warren wants to raise the percentage that goes to this and police it when it fails to do so.
Context is everything.
small business? I guess the definition of GE and Boeing are now 'small business'
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: starfire_xes]
#22427423 - 10/24/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Warren wants to raise the percentage that goes to this and police it when it fails to do so.
Context is everything.
small business? I guess the definition of GE and Boeing are now 'small business' 
Do you have any other examples of Elizabeth Warren being a crony-capitalist sympathizer?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: starfire_xes]
#22427428 - 10/24/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: The EX-IM Bank is supposed to support small business.
Warren wants to raise the percentage that goes to this and police it when it fails to do so.
Context is everything.
small business? I guess the definition of GE and Boeing are now 'small business' 
Get serious. Your argument is as idiotic as me saying because Ron Paul accepted a donation from a bank teller from Chase, he is in favor of expanding the power and secrecy of the Federal Reserve.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: starfire_xes]
#22427465 - 10/24/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: The EX-IM Bank is supposed to support small business.
Warren wants to raise the percentage that goes to this and police it when it fails to do so.
Context is everything.
small business? I guess the definition of GE and Boeing are now 'small business' 
You're strawmanning Warren's position because you have a hardon for her or what?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22427686 - 10/24/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: The EX-IM Bank is supposed to support small business.
Warren wants to raise the percentage that goes to this and police it when it fails to do so.
Context is everything.
small business? I guess the definition of GE and Boeing are now 'small business' 
You're strawmanning Warren's position because you have a hardon for her or what?
Isn't she the one who falsely claimed to be Native American?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22427747 - 10/24/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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paperbackwriter said: The EX-IM Bank is supposed to support small business.
Warren wants to raise the percentage that goes to this and police it when it fails to do so.
Context is everything.
small business? I guess the definition of GE and Boeing are now 'small business' 
You're strawmanning Warren's position because you have a hardon for her or what?
Isn't she the one who falsely claimed to be Native American?
Yeah she did it to work at Harvard
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
#22427766 - 10/24/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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IKR! I love the pic of obama with the fly, like one of those little starving kids in africa too dumb to get the damn fly off their eyeball!
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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IKR! I love the pic of obama with the fly, like one of those little starving kids in africa too dumb to get the damn fly off their eyeball!
Flies around shit, bees around honey
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman] 1
#22427855 - 10/24/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Warren is proving her anti-corporatism and globalism credentials every day in the Senate. She is the most vocal advocate for modern new Glass Steagall law, wants big banks out of the high leveraged risk business, wants predatory lending stopped and wants bailouts to large financial institutions stopped.
She understands banks and finance well enough to truly understand the legislation, knows how they circumvent regulation and knows how to reform our system.
There is zero debate on where she stands when it comes to regulating the big banks and she has been consistent at every banking committee hearing she attends.
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Edited by KauaiOrca (10/24/15 03:39 PM)
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22427882 - 10/24/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Warren is proving her anti-corporatism and globalism credentials every day in the Senate. She is the most vocal advocate for modern new Glass Steagall law, wants big banks out of the high leveraged risk business, wants predatory lending stopped and wants bailouts to large financial institutions stopped.
She understands banks and finance well enough to truly understand the legislation, knows how they circumvent regulation and knows how to reform our system.
There is zero debate on where she stands when it comes to regulating the big banks and she has been consistent at every banking committee hearing she attends.
I don't disagree with what you are saying, but if I was a banker that was robbing the system unethically, wouldn't I want at least one person in Congress to talk the talk against me? It's kind of a release valve in a sense, it makes the frustrated general public feel much better.
Obama still calls the Wall Street bankers every name in the book and has done it for 7 years straight, the result? Empty rhetoric!!
Basically what I'm saying is, she's really not what she appears to be, she's one of THEM.
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