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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22420998 - 10/22/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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To further demonstrate the limitations of these senses, Descartes proceeds with what is known as the Wax Argument. He considers a piece of wax; his senses inform him that it has certain characteristics, such as shape, texture, size, color, smell, and so forth. When he brings the wax towards a flame, these characteristics change completely. However, it seems that it is still the same thing: it is still the same piece of wax, even though the data of the senses inform him that all of its characteristics are different. Therefore, in order to properly grasp the nature of the wax, he should put aside the senses. He must use his mind. Descartes concludes:

    And so something that I thought I was seeing with my eyes is in fact grasped solely by the faculty of judgment which is in my mind.





Of course, Descartes was talking about the nature of perception, but i'm just using it to illuminate the need to look beyond the obvious. Rather than asking "what?" we need to be asking "why?"





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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22421004 - 10/22/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

well, you know what they say about horses and water.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22421021 - 10/22/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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well, you know what they say about horses and water.




You know what they say about cowards


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22421030 - 10/23/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: saint leo jamaican]
    #22421114 - 10/23/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain] * 1
    #22421235 - 10/23/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowards run away




That is correct. Cowards run away from information and contemplation that might contradict their opinions.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain] * 1
    #22422440 - 10/23/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowards run away




And the ignorant charge, with enthusiasm, into deeper and deeper fog.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22424141 - 10/23/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowards run away




And the ignorant charge, with enthusiasm, into deeper and deeper fog.





Yeah liberals


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22424375 - 10/23/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cowards run away




And the ignorant charge, with enthusiasm, into deeper and deeper fog.





Yeah liberals




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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22424401 - 10/23/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Librawls are gurls and im a child


- conservative on this thread.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22424510 - 10/23/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Librawls are gurls and im a child


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You libs keep using ad-hominem


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain] * 1
    #22424530 - 10/23/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Some people have conservaphobia. They are afraid of what they don't understand.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22424863 - 10/23/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Some people have conservaphobia. They are afraid of what they don't understand.




Hehe, like how libtards are afraid of Carbon


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22425065 - 10/23/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22426137 - 10/24/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Librawls are gurls and im a child


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You libs keep using ad-hominem




When you use terms like libtard, retarded, children when most posters tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Then you're all like libtards be using ad-hominem.

Do you work at the irony or does it just come naturally?


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter] * 1
    #22426169 - 10/24/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

"conservatism" is simply a nice word for corporatism.  There is no such thing as a small government movement in America ... that's just a slogan.  No movement to seriously cut spending, shrink government, eliminate entitlements ... ALL PURE BS.

Conservatives push corporatism ... plain and simple.  They push for more corporate power ... more corporate influence ... more corporate money in the political process.

The argument is actually safety nets + regulated markets (what is now called socialism) vs. corporate control of government (what the GOP is actually all about)

Conservatives want to privatize all the profits and socialize all the costs and risks and blame government for all the unfunded liabilities ... LMAO!!!!  And the conservative sheep that vote for this lunacy just eat it up.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22426190 - 10/24/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The Ds and the Rs aren't much different outside of the far right and the far left.  They pick different scapegoats but they're both out of touch with the working class.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22426197 - 10/24/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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"conservatism" is simply a nice word for corporatism.  There is no such thing as a small government movement in America ... that's just a slogan.  No movement to seriously cut spending, shrink government, eliminate entitlements ... ALL PURE BS.

Conservatives push corporatism ... plain and simple.  They push for more corporate power ... more corporate influence ... more corporate money in the political process.

The argument is actually safety nets + regulated markets (what is now called socialism) vs. corporate control of government (what the GOP is actually all about)

Conservatives want to privatize all the profits and socialize all the costs and risks and blame government for all the unfunded liabilities ... LMAO!!!!  And the conservative sheep that vote for this lunacy just eat it up.




That's true. Unfortunately, the same appears to be true about Democrats in this country. They apparently want Hillary. There is a huge movement within the party, but it doesn't really mean a whole lot. Even if Bernie won, the corporatist Democrats in congress will keep voting centrist. A few good ones like Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren and some others will stand up for American labor, but that's about it. This country will continue to polarize until it strangles itself.

America hasn't been so polarized as it is now since the Civil War. The right has its extremist Libertarian Teabaggers, and the left has its 'Socialists' (which in modern day America is considered fringe extremism!). The media is moving closer and closer to the kind of corruption you might expect from the opressive governments of the 20th century, and the people are uneducated and uninformed.


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22426299 - 10/24/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That's true. Unfortunately, the same appears to be true about Democrats in this country. They apparently want Hillary. There is a huge movement within the party, but it doesn't really mean a whole lot. Even if Bernie won, the corporatist Democrats in congress will keep voting centrist. A few good ones like Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren and some others will stand up for American labor, but that's about it. This country will continue to polarize until it strangles itself.

America hasn't been so polarized as it is now since the Civil War. The right has its extremist Libertarian Teabaggers, and the left has its 'Socialists' (which in modern day America is considered fringe extremism!). The media is moving closer and closer to the kind of corruption you might expect from the opressive governments of the 20th century, and the people are uneducated and uninformed.




QFT!  Great post.  100% accurate assessment of what is happening right now.  This is the main reason I think the best solution is a break up of America.  The idea that we will "come together" is total nonsense. We're too big, too bloated, and too polarized. 

In the 08/09 financial train wreck, a lot of states came dangerously close to not being able to pay their bills.  Another shock like that or worse will put them into even worse financial shape ... this could create the conditions for the breakup ...


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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22426503 - 10/24/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:

That's true. Unfortunately, the same appears to be true about Democrats in this country. They apparently want Hillary. There is a huge movement within the party, but it doesn't really mean a whole lot. Even if Bernie won, the corporatist Democrats in congress will keep voting centrist. A few good ones like Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren and some others will stand up for American labor, but that's about it. This country will continue to polarize until it strangles itself.

America hasn't been so polarized as it is now since the Civil War. The right has its extremist Libertarian Teabaggers, and the left has its 'Socialists' (which in modern day America is considered fringe extremism!). The media is moving closer and closer to the kind of corruption you might expect from the opressive governments of the 20th century, and the people are uneducated and uninformed.




QFT!  Great post.  100% accurate assessment of what is happening right now.  This is the main reason I think the best solution is a break up of America.  The idea that we will "come together" is total nonsense. We're too big, too bloated, and too polarized. 

In the 08/09 financial train wreck, a lot of states came dangerously close to not being able to pay their bills.  Another shock like that or worse will put them into even worse financial shape ... this could create the conditions for the breakup ...




In my humble opinion, I don't think America is anywhere near polarized enough


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