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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Just ask porka, she knows how they work and can prolly show you, I'd ask her to show me, but I don't think she likes me
Way over your pay grade, Hostile. I've already given you a reading list which you haven't even started on. You need some basic education on capitalism, communism, socialism, free markets, how our lending system works ...
Basic homework, bud. That's where you should start. Get past the slogans and develop your mind.
Typical ad-hominem attacks from the left
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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US Treasuries are exchanged for Federal Reserve Notes.
Yep.
What most people don't understand is #5, banks charging interest on money that doesn't even exist.
That's why in a real booming economy, owning bank equities can be a great investment.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
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Typical ad-hominem attacks from the left
Except, of course, that I'm not a lefty ... not even close ... and am probably more fiscally conservative than you are.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Typical ad-hominem attacks from the left
Except, of course, that I'm not a lefty ... not even close ... and am probably more fiscally conservative than you are.
Not a lefty? Fiscally conservative? It looks like you're gonna vote for Bernie, what the fuck are you talking about? Give specific examples of your conservatism.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: qman]
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US Treasuries are exchanged for Federal Reserve Notes.
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What most people don't understand is #5, banks charging interest on money that doesn't even exist.
That's why in a real booming economy, owning bank equities can be a great investment.
Banks do charge interest on money they don't actually "have" and, of course, they accept the risk of default on that as well. Therein lies the leverage that can wipe a bank out quickly when real estate prices drop quickly and why our country is so quick to act to prevent big real estate drops. Fractional reserve lending is a big form of leverage ...
I think the answer is to keep the FED going but also introduce a COMPETING currency issued by the US treasury directly so that there is more competition to Federal Reserve Notes. Lincoln tried it and so did Kennedy but we need a much bigger injection of US DOLLARS (not Fed Reserve Notes) into our system that are targeted more toward the real economy and not the uber investment economy of share buybacks, financial engineering and covering giant margin accounts.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
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Just ask porka, she knows how they work and can prolly show you, I'd ask her to show me, but I don't think she likes me
Way over your pay grade, Hostile. I've already given you a reading list which you haven't even started on. You need some basic education on capitalism, communism, socialism, free markets, how our lending system works ...
Basic homework, bud. That's where you should start. Get past the slogans and develop your mind.
Typical ad-hominem attacks from the left
I don't think you understand how logic works. Someone can reach the right conclusion for the wrong reasons.
Your biggest fallacy is 'Argument from Fallacy'.
Argument from fallacy is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false.
Also ad-hominem is only a fallacy when you use it to reach a conclusion. Orca telling you that you should really educate yourself on a topic before trying to discuss it is sound advice. Orca saying you're wrong because you're a lefty (see what I did there ) is ad-hominem.
*edit* Additionally if Orca just said you're dumb. That's not ad-hominem. There's no argument attached. It's just a statement of fact or opinion.
If Orca said, you're dumb, because you don't read up on topics before commenting on them, that's also not ad-hominem. Orca would be using the argument BB doesn't read up on topics before commenting on them to reach the conclusion that burgerbrain is dumb.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
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Not a lefty? Fiscally conservative? It looks like you're gonna vote for Bernie, what the fuck are you talking about? Give specific examples of your conservatism.
Where have I indicated anywhere I'm voting for Bernie? Show one quote on that?
Here is my economic plan to fix our economy ...
1) Break up the big banks, instate the Volker Rule and put taxes on all forms of high frequency trading ... especially bid/offers that don't get executed 2) Make importation of middle east oil illegal after 2020. Pass a energy independence act for the Americas. 3) Create an OPTION for corporations to pay a 10% corporate rate if the VOLUNTARILY shrink the pay gap, top to bottom to no more than 25x. If they don't want that option, they stay with the current corporate tax plan. Include overseas outsourcing of jobs in the formula. 4) Encourage overseas corporate money to come home if it parks for 5 years in a technology investment bank focused on next generation energy and nano technology lending to smaller startups. 5) Expand the community college network dramatically and make it an integral part of how all forms of government assistance are handed out ... want food stamps? Go to class and get job training. 6) Increase taxes dramatically on any income over 10 million a year. 7) Dramatic campaign finance reform that takes the advantage the wealthy have AWAY so that every voter's voice is equal. 8) Force all politicians, CEO's and Lobbyists to disclose, every quarter, every meeting, agreement and discussion topic they had in terms of influencing political votes or face teethy prosecution. 9) Give labor an equal number of seats on corporate boards the way Germany does it. 10) Create a teaching corps of nationwide navy seal quality teaching trainers to start spreading top performer best teaching practices to every school.
You call that a liberal manifesto?
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I see you as progressive Orca. You support a lot of radical changes. That's a progressive agenda.
The term left and right originated during the french revolution by the way. Those on the left wanted democracy, those on the right supported the monarchy.
I think a degree of progressiveness and conservatism is in all of us. It's the desire to keep the kids safe in the cave vs. the need to adapt. At least that's how I see it.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
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The term left and right originated during the french revolution by the way. Those on the left wanted democracy, those on the right supported the monarchy.
I think a degree of progressiveness and conservatism is in all of us. It's the desire to keep the kids safe in the cave vs. the need to adapt. At least that's how I see it.
In our hyper sensitive political era, certain words carry truckloads of baggage ... "Progressive" is one of those words as it has now been tagged as a word that applies to the most liberal wing of the Democratic party. I actually favor lower corporate taxes for companies that shrink the pay gap ... prefer a lot more accountability for many of our safety net programs, favor a shrinking of the Federal Government's influence on issues like education and commerce ... I'd like to see the country move toward a more regional governing model with much less spending at the Federal level ... I do think that many of our social programs have fostered and perpetuated government dependence and institutional poverty and I agree we need huge reforms of our immigration policies and enforcement to include the deportation of a lot (certainly not 11 million) of people that shouldn't be here. I'd like to see the Federal Government accountable for balancing the budget and much more long term budgeting and planning in the process.
I guess what I'm against most are the institutional candidates that push more and more of this mafia like two party control system on the country ... the Bush/Clinton situation nauseates me ...
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I hear ya. Liberal has changed a lot since Locke too.
I think most of us can agree that our democracy has become very corrupt and polluted by money.
I wonder if spying on us and arresting whistleblowers is what Obama meant when he said his administration would be transparent.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
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Stonehenge said: Obumble jacked up the debt more than all previous presidents in our 200 year history combined. That is a fact and the left can not erase it. Instead of getting a great economy out of the deal, roads fixed, mass transportation, r+d into things we need, instead of that we get bombs blowing up arabs. Only psychopaths think that is a good deal. Our economy is creaking and many signs point to a crash ahead. Who will we blame that on, shrub? Maybe Reagan?
The idiot in the white house wants more troops in Afghanistan, indefinitely. The billions he threw around in Syria have yielded nothing except grief for the civilians, death and displacement.
Well said. Obumble is doing his best to destroy our country
Your screen name is as apt as hostile's avatar.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
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I think most of us can agree that our democracy has become very corrupt and polluted by money.
I wonder if spying on us and arresting whistleblowers is what Obama meant when he said his administration would be transparent.

Obama has been a serious disappointment on a number of fronts ... The sheer dysfunction of our political process that is always in "next election mode" is a much bigger disappointment. I don't think it's even possible in our current political environment for a President to have the kind of impact the voters would like to see. Having said that, Obama blew his first 2 years when he had a strong majority ... immigration reform, a serious infrastructure rebuilding plan and trade reform to bring jobs home would have had more impact ...
He allowed the insurance corporations to get what they wanted ... big mistake.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: Obama has been a serious disappointment on a number of fronts ... The sheer dysfunction of our political process that is always in "next election mode" is a much bigger disappointment. I don't think it's even possible in our current political environment for a President to have the kind of impact the voters would like to see. Having said that, Obama blew his first 2 years when he had a strong majority ... immigration reform, a serious infrastructure rebuilding plan and trade reform to bring jobs home would have had more impact ...
He allowed the insurance corporations to get what they wanted ... big mistake.
Yep.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Not a lefty? Fiscally conservative? It looks like you're gonna vote for Bernie, what the fuck are you talking about? Give specific examples of your conservatism.
Where have I indicated anywhere I'm voting for Bernie? Show one quote on that?
Here is my economic plan to fix our economy ...
1) Break up the big banks, instate the Volker Rule and put taxes on all forms of high frequency trading ... especially bid/offers that don't get executed 2) Make importation of middle east oil illegal after 2020. Pass a energy independence act for the Americas. 3) Create an OPTION for corporations to pay a 10% corporate rate if the VOLUNTARILY shrink the pay gap, top to bottom to no more than 25x. If they don't want that option, they stay with the current corporate tax plan. Include overseas outsourcing of jobs in the formula. 4) Encourage overseas corporate money to come home if it parks for 5 years in a technology investment bank focused on next generation energy and nano technology lending to smaller startups. 5) Expand the community college network dramatically and make it an integral part of how all forms of government assistance are handed out ... want food stamps? Go to class and get job training. 6) Increase taxes dramatically on any income over 10 million a year. 7) Dramatic campaign finance reform that takes the advantage the wealthy have AWAY so that every voter's voice is equal. 8) Force all politicians, CEO's and Lobbyists to disclose, every quarter, every meeting, agreement and discussion topic they had in terms of influencing political votes or face teethy prosecution. 9) Give labor an equal number of seats on corporate boards the way Germany does it. 10) Create a teaching corps of nationwide navy seal quality teaching trainers to start spreading top performer best teaching practices to every school.
You call that a liberal manifesto?
That list is full of liberal (progressive) doctrine. Get a clue; wealth inequality, pro-labor union, anti-oil, pro-taxes, anti-corporation garbage is not something you hear conservatives saying.
PS. You're either voting for Bernie or the next socialist that comes along. Are you are aren't you? You're not very clear on this subject.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
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Not a lefty? Fiscally conservative? It looks like you're gonna vote for Bernie, what the fuck are you talking about? Give specific examples of your conservatism.
Where have I indicated anywhere I'm voting for Bernie? Show one quote on that?
Here is my economic plan to fix our economy ...
1) Break up the big banks, instate the Volker Rule and put taxes on all forms of high frequency trading ... especially bid/offers that don't get executed 2) Make importation of middle east oil illegal after 2020. Pass a energy independence act for the Americas. 3) Create an OPTION for corporations to pay a 10% corporate rate if the VOLUNTARILY shrink the pay gap, top to bottom to no more than 25x. If they don't want that option, they stay with the current corporate tax plan. Include overseas outsourcing of jobs in the formula. 4) Encourage overseas corporate money to come home if it parks for 5 years in a technology investment bank focused on next generation energy and nano technology lending to smaller startups. 5) Expand the community college network dramatically and make it an integral part of how all forms of government assistance are handed out ... want food stamps? Go to class and get job training. 6) Increase taxes dramatically on any income over 10 million a year. 7) Dramatic campaign finance reform that takes the advantage the wealthy have AWAY so that every voter's voice is equal. 8) Force all politicians, CEO's and Lobbyists to disclose, every quarter, every meeting, agreement and discussion topic they had in terms of influencing political votes or face teethy prosecution. 9) Give labor an equal number of seats on corporate boards the way Germany does it. 10) Create a teaching corps of nationwide navy seal quality teaching trainers to start spreading top performer best teaching practices to every school.
You call that a liberal manifesto?
That list is full of liberal (progressive) doctrine. Get a clue; wealth inequality, pro-labor union, anti-oil, pro-taxes, anti-corporation garbage is not something you hear conservatives saying.
LMAO ... you see what you want to see ... What liberal calls for LOWER corporate taxes? How about a tax incentive to bring all that untaxed corporate money back to the US? More accountability for those getting govt assistance? Focus on teaching quality to break the death grip of teacher's unions that protect crummy teachers?
Oh yeah ... that's Liberal doctrine.
No wonder you call yourself burger brain.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Not a lefty? Fiscally conservative? It looks like you're gonna vote for Bernie, what the fuck are you talking about? Give specific examples of your conservatism.
Where have I indicated anywhere I'm voting for Bernie? Show one quote on that?
Here is my economic plan to fix our economy ...
1) Break up the big banks, instate the Volker Rule and put taxes on all forms of high frequency trading ... especially bid/offers that don't get executed 2) Make importation of middle east oil illegal after 2020. Pass a energy independence act for the Americas. 3) Create an OPTION for corporations to pay a 10% corporate rate if the VOLUNTARILY shrink the pay gap, top to bottom to no more than 25x. If they don't want that option, they stay with the current corporate tax plan. Include overseas outsourcing of jobs in the formula. 4) Encourage overseas corporate money to come home if it parks for 5 years in a technology investment bank focused on next generation energy and nano technology lending to smaller startups. 5) Expand the community college network dramatically and make it an integral part of how all forms of government assistance are handed out ... want food stamps? Go to class and get job training. 6) Increase taxes dramatically on any income over 10 million a year. 7) Dramatic campaign finance reform that takes the advantage the wealthy have AWAY so that every voter's voice is equal. 8) Force all politicians, CEO's and Lobbyists to disclose, every quarter, every meeting, agreement and discussion topic they had in terms of influencing political votes or face teethy prosecution. 9) Give labor an equal number of seats on corporate boards the way Germany does it. 10) Create a teaching corps of nationwide navy seal quality teaching trainers to start spreading top performer best teaching practices to every school.
You call that a liberal manifesto?
That list is full of liberal (progressive) doctrine. Get a clue; wealth inequality, pro-labor union, anti-oil, pro-taxes, anti-corporation garbage is not something you hear conservatives saying.
LMAO ... you see what you want to see ... What liberal calls for LOWER corporate taxes? How about a tax incentive to bring all that untaxed corporate money back to the US? More accountability for those getting govt assistance? Focus on teaching quality to break the death grip of teacher's unions that protect crummy teachers?
Oh yeah ... that's Liberal doctrine.
No wonder you call yourself burger brain.
In Norway they have low corporate tax rates, and you would call those people "liberal". Accountability? You said people on food stamps should be forced to "go to class" On who's dime?
"10) Create a teaching corps of nationwide navy seal quality teaching trainers to start spreading top performer best teaching practices to every school."
Now you're spending more tax money, and making the socialist school system larger. Somehow this will fix the "crummy teachers"
What a bunch of liberal crap.
Go ad-hominem somewhere else, liberal.
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>Additionally if Orca just said you're dumb. That's not ad-hominem. There's no argument attached. It's just a statement of fact or opinion
Calling names is indeed an ad hominem and if he wanted to he could report it. Name calling is one of the lefts favorite ways to "debate" topics.
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Re: Socialism, Communism, Collectivism, and Democratic Socialism is intellectual laziness [Re: paperbackwriter]
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I wonder if spying on us and arresting whistleblowers is what Obama meant when he said his administration would be transparent.

Why do people attempt to laugh at very serious situations? We're living in fucking Nazi Germany
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Calling names is indeed an ad hominem and if he wanted to he could report it. Name calling is one of the lefts favorite ways to "debate" topics.
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