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Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip
    #22350667 - 10/08/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I'm really wanting to have a trip here soon, but I am getting a lot of anxiety about it. I have noticed in the past that if I take mushrooms (or LSD or DMT) often that it's not so scary to go in each weekend, but if I wait a long time it becomes harder for me to take a dose. I have proposed a few theories for why this might be, but ultimately I just don't know.

Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, why do you think it is? Also, what have others used to overcome pre-trip anxiety?

I did eat a lot of mushrooms between April and August, and I haven't tripped since then. Then last weekend I went out into the desert with the intention of eating some mushrooms, but it just didn't feel right; I was too nervous. Now I'm thinking that this weekend I'd really like to eat some acid, but it's been 18 months since I've consumed LSD.

What are your thoughts and experiences with this connection between the amount of time between your trips and your anxiety going into the next trip?

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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22351103 - 10/08/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I take shrooms about twice a year, if that and every time I have to basically force myself due to anxiety. I have found that drinking a beer, then munching the shrooms helps relieve almost all anxiety. After your ingest them, sip on another beer and the transition is smoother than a babies bottom.


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Cosmic VOC]
    #22351190 - 10/08/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

^Ya. I'm not much for alcohol (especially mixed with psychedelics), but I have found that eating a Xanax before tripping and then one right when I start to feel the effects also helps. Unfortunately it makes me need to sit the fuck down for about an hour during the peak.

I hear what you mean about basically having to force yourself to do it. I always say that the hardest part is the moment between when you decide that you're going to actually do it and when you ingest the dose; when you can still back out I guess. After you've eaten the dose, it's actually a bit easier from my experience.

Thanks for your feedback man.


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22351218 - 10/08/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Xanax + Psychedelics?? Say what..?

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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22351376 - 10/08/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That would kill the entire trip for me. Anxiety is just part of the experience, don't mask it with other drugs


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22351385 - 10/08/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed. I'm not a big drinker either, but at least for me, I have found that the old moniker of alcohol being "liquid courage" is absolutely true. Anxiety is pretty hard to kick (I'm actually a big pussy when it comes to my doses) but once that come up is done, I always remember why I decided to eat the fungal magic. Safe travels!


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Cosmic VOC]
    #22351412 - 10/08/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely. Just drink a beer on the come up


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22351426 - 10/08/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed. I always thought benzo's snapped you out of a trip just about immediately. Severely reduce it, at the least. Always used to keep a few Temesta's handy, should anything go south.

As for the fear.. I think nervousness, maybe even minor anxiety, is part of the experience. For me, it always fades when I start feeling the first effects (energy in chest, weird legs etc.) However, if you are afraid and feel the time is not right to eat mushrooms, I don't think the time is right to eat mushrooms. If you don't feel like doing it, don't do it. No one is forcing you to. You are the only one who is able to tell if the time is there. :smile:


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22351594 - 10/08/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have aborted my last three planned trips for this reason.....I know once I knock it back, it will be good, but, the anxiety going into a trip after a good time between your last trip, meaning ZERO tolerance whatsoever, is pretty rough. I sit there, looking at my tea for a while, then just pop it back into the freezer.....I am going through a few things in my life that are stressful, but not too much.....I really just need a reset....


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22351788 - 10/08/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Xanax + Psychedelics?? Say what..?

:uhoh:




I got a prescription for Xanax about a year ago and took them only for panic attacks (get them a couple times a year at most) and found that it would probably really help with the come up that I sometimes struggle with on psychedelics. I tested this theory about 3-4 times in the past year and found that it REALLY helped. It did not seem to lessen the experience in any way, shape, or form. My best trip has been taking .5mg xanax, then 20-30 minutes taking 3-3.5grams mushrooms, then 20-30 minutes later taking another .5mg xanax. It's a very light dose, but it really made the come up manageable and the trip was soooooo magical.

If nothing else, I like to keep the Xanax on hand when I trip just so I know that if things "go wrong" I can take one and it will settle me out of the hard part.


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22351892 - 10/08/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey man. How are you doing today? I apologize if my initial reply came off as sort of douschey in anyway. Have you ever tried starting with a threshold dose and building the dosage up over the course of a few weeks or months?


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22352063 - 10/08/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah. I have.

And no worries. I didn't take offense. Just wanted to provide my perspective.


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22352195 - 10/08/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you even have anxiety even on threshold doses? OR does it reach a certain point after so and so amount that you begin to have anxiety? What are you worried about and have you ever had a "bad trip"? I don't mean a difficult trip. A bad trip as in one where you literally feel that you are dying, have to go to the hospital, attack someone in fight or flight mode, and/or something else to that extreme?


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22353558 - 10/09/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I get at least some anxiety with all psychedelics, all the way down to .5g mushroom doses; never tried below that. I don't think I've really had a bad trip--difficult, yes, but never all out bad or regrettable. I've always come out the other side grateful for what I learn within the experience.


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22354419 - 10/09/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've lost any fear I've had of bad trips because I've already experienced the worst fucking trips imaginable lol and I still got through them.

It's like what the fuck else can I see after what I've already been through? If you just wrap your head around the fact that all things will pass, then there's nothing to be afraid of.


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Genibus]
    #22354444 - 10/09/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have experienced this on Monday. I picked some wild mush and was going to eat them on the spot, but I hesitated for a long time.
At some point I realized that I am stressed about dosing them, main reason being a long break, nearly a year. Once I started tripping I was OK.
Best part of this trip was the afterglow - I felt very calm, my thoughts were organized etc.

This fear of dosing after a long break reminds me of getting injections. When I was in hospital and was getting jabbed daily, I wasn't bothered.
But now after a long time getting occasional jab gets me a little stressed.
Once you have made the decision to dose, just brace yourself and do it quickly. Just make sure that you are well prepared (food, shelter etc.)
My advice is: prepare everything you need for the trip. If you feel that you are prepared and set-up, do not hesitate, just eat them and relax.
Ever done bungee jumping or high rope swing? The longer you stand on the edge hesitating to jump, the harder it becomes to overcome the fear.


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22354927 - 10/09/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Low dose kratom and/or valium. I like 10 mg right before dosing. Lasts long. Then I wait until I redose shrooms and dose another valium. And of course smoke a bunch of weed lol. Never hurt my trip, just smoother and I can focus better. Just don't take too much valium or you can blackout. I guess beer could work too but that's just too much for my stomach. Sometimes I'll drink on the comedown


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22355001 - 10/09/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The feelings you're describing are a direct result of the brains ability to store and receive information.


Simply put, when you do LSD gateways are opened that may alleviate or allow perception into said experiences.

When you take breaks from LSD, those gateways eventually become "detoured" into other areas of your brain. Your mind remembers how horrible it can be, and it doesn't identify that the good may or may not outweigh the bad. One may be able to actually argue that this ability proves that LSD is intact harmful. Or, one could also argue that this is an evolutionary response that we simply haven't yet overcame.

Either way, that's what's happening. If you meditate long enough, and get yourself into the right "headspace" before tripping, technically speaking; it won't matter when you last tripped with no consideration towards tolerance. In other words, tolerance isn't equated into that.


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Re: Pre-Trip Anxiety and Time Since Your Last Trip [Re: MisterEuphenism]
    #22357992 - 10/10/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for the above feedback. I think that a lot of that is helpful.

Yesterday I but the bullet and ate a small dose of mushrooms. I was reminded that as I continue down the path of the psychonaut I also have more anxiety on the comeup than I used to. Hour 1 is only anxiety in my head for the fact that I know that it's coming, then hour two can get s little rough, but after that it is 1000000% worth it. It just sucks that I now find the anxiety creeping more into the trip as well. That said, my setting could have slightly contributed to my concerns yesterday.

Today I am going to try to blast DMT and hopefully use my insights from yesterday to get over my preflight anxiety with the spirit molecule. I'm also going to attempt to go much deeper today than I did with the mushroom yesterday. I'm hopeful that I'll be reminded of the good that comes from these medicines and this will help me to alleviate the anxiety that I sometimes deal with.

As for the lot suggestions, I completely agree; however, after 5 years of smoking every day, I stopped smoking in September and am trying not to rely on bud even for psychedelic trips. I may however go and pick up a one hitter for when I decide to trip. We'll see.


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