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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480050 - 11/05/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's perfect. In the winter my room dips down to 68 and my fruits are real nice.


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480054 - 11/05/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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That's a low dose I would lemon tek it.




Will do. Been reading a lot of denser meatier fruits. I want to expirement with a bit of lower temps and more fae and keep the misting up.



Yeah it is commonly reported that fruiting in low temps will produce meatier fruits. I always try to stick around the low 70s for colonization and fruiting.




Ah throughout most life cycle it has been around 74 sometimes spiked to 78.



Not bad, the fruits weren't that skinny, and also genetics plays a big role in the overall size too. I'm sure if you were working with a clone and fruited at that temp range, you would end up with much bigger fruits.


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22480114 - 11/05/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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That's perfect. In the winter my room dips down to 68 and my fruits are real nice.



Nice I might try it out

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Not bad, the fruits weren't that skinny, and also genetics plays a big role in the overall size too. I'm sure if you were working with a clone and fruited at that temp range, you would end up with much bigger fruits.




Ill read up on the effects of cloning. I understand you're isolating a fruit to yield similar yields but how would that improve size/quality?  Since it's the same strain and not a MS it won't be fighting each other essentially or something like that ? So it'll grow more cooperatively?


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480126 - 11/05/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You can clone for many reasons. Size, speed, potency, looks, just because you feel like it, etc..


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22480308 - 11/05/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You can clone for many reasons. Size, speed, potency, looks, just because you feel like it, etc..




Gotcha just wanted to see if isolating makes things better because it's the same legit strain growing together.

I lowered the temperature to around 70 and reduced the poly for more fae. Maybe second flush comes in thicker ?


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480330 - 11/05/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It makes things consistent since they are the same genetics. Do know the difference between cloning and isolating though. With a clone you still have quite a few different genetics going on but not nearly as much as MS. Getting an isolate means you have one set of genes. Most people prefer clones, since you already know what you're gunna get. Or if isolating, do it from a cloned fruit to limit the genes you start with.


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22480333 - 11/05/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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It makes things consistent since they are the same genetics. Do know the difference between cloning and isolating though. With a clone you still have quite a few different genetics going on but not nearly as much as MS. Getting an isolate means you have one set of genes. Most people prefer clones, since you already know what you're gunna get. Or if isolating, do it from a cloned fruit to limit the genes you start with.




Gotcha this also helped me  too
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6668110


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22480381 - 11/05/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998#18430998




Ooo oooo o. :incredible:  now it all makes sense fml


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480401 - 11/05/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22480430 - 11/05/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You isolate strains and save a master from each one.  After the harvest and testing of each and every isolate, you go back to your well marked strain masters in the refrigerator and get out the best ones to grow, while discarding the poor performers. Properly prepared master slants will last for years in the refrigerator, allowing you to continue to grow the same isolate.
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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480443 - 11/05/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's best to take from clones like I said earlier because you have a more limited gene pool so you won't have 50 different isolates to test lol.


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22480458 - 11/05/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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It's best to take from clones like I said earlier because you have a more limited gene pool so you won't have 50 different isolates to test lol.



I understood,  clone > isolate> profit.

But if you're wanting to start from clean culture why not isolate


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480470 - 11/05/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean was that a question?


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22480484 - 11/05/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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What do you mean was that a question?




If I'm wanting to start agar from a MS to ensure clean culture, why not isolate from there. Why wait to clone?


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480501 - 11/05/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You should do a few transfers to make sure the MS culture is nice and clean. Isolating from MS however is going to be a lot more work than with a clone.


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22480522 - 11/05/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: also genetic variations can be great! I wouldn't isolate too much after getting a clone. That shit was great because of the different genetics working together.

I haven't had many bad ms grows.. But it seems 9/10 isolated grows will be pretty crappy.

Also lastly the best genetics will always dominate the rest. So IMO having multiple genetics and cloning the best is the best way to have the best genetics in the shortest amount of time.


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: Mad Season]
    #22480534 - 11/05/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Like how mix breed dogs often have better genetics than pure breed over time due to them gaining the best of both.


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22480560 - 11/05/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:raisemyglass:

Thanks guys for the great info, I'll update this thread with any future good yields or projects. I'll rename this to grow log if need be.

My to do list which will be these next 2 weeks is:

Checking if second flush has any clone worthy yields

Mini mono test with lower temperature and more coir to verm ratio spawn is ready.

Full mono with the 2 qt spawn spawn is finishing up

Mini mono with ape or pe deciding


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Re: First Timer did lots of reading. Popcorn TeK. [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22480591 - 11/05/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

For future reference it's better to take clones on the 1st flush if you can, while the myc is still vigor. Second is fine though.


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