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ORMUS, ORMES, and Mstate.
    #5213988 - 01/23/06 12:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hey everyone, hows the love?

For the past few days Ive been reading up on what is being called ORMUS, or mstate. ORMUS is believed to be the precious metals elements in a different atomic state.

This ormus or mstate to me is the transcendental object, there is not a huge amount written about it but there is enough to fill a good day of reading. Ive only found 1 good resource on the net, http://www.subtleenergies.com/

I highly suggest reading into all the aspects of this stuff, the people involved relate mstate to allot of religious historical references: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/historical/historic.htm
Also the effect of mstate materials on humans and plants has been documented on the site and its well pretty incredible.
There's great stuff like ORUMS and consciousness, Ormus and light beings, ormus and psychic phenomenon, christ consciousness etc.

For me this ties together quite a few things in my head, I will be building a mstate water trap in the next few weeks and have some ormus precipitate extracted from the pacific that I'm feeding some plants(2 days after first feeding and I have seen healthier more vigorous growth) I also want to construct a pyramid and do extraction that way(check out how on the site article list!) I want to also experiment with ingestion separated mstate elements and experiment/research in there separate form(especially gold) but first want to get a trap set up and producing psychedelic/healing water.

So I thought Id share this stuff, and share my experiments as I work on them and experience this stuff.

I highly suggest reading some trap water logs by various people as well as the guy who fasted for 42(?) days and took mstate gold daily. Ive read most of the articles, except for a few patents, but I highly suggest reading all the articles for the full impact of this :laugh:

Peace, and love.

I wanted to post this in the science and spirituality forum aswell but  didn't want to make 3 of the same thread, but Id like to hear from science and spirit pov's as well as myst and religious.

Oh also you can buy mstate gold(white gold) from a few online stores now, if you read enough some people say which source's where better for them, its too expensive for me though.

Mstate walnut tree:
Check out the example of the walnut tree fed with a ormus precipitate: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/walnuts.htm

Edited by Chud (01/23/06 12:43 PM)

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Re: ORMUS, ORMES, and Mstate. [Re: Springs]
    #5214174 - 01/23/06 02:15 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hi Chud!

I researched this stuff up and down when a friend was hyping it up and getting to impatient to do the work himself. I found a lot of pros and cons. You are familiar with the pros, I thought to share the possible cons so you can make the best decision for yourself.

A man named Dan Winters did his own research on this stuff. What I am going to share came from his understanding. It all sounded plausible to me based on other stuff I feel pretty confident about.

Yes, you will read that it was used in ancient Egypt by the elite. I'm not sure if you have read any of the other stuff on some humans of the time being used as slaves for gold mining. Ormes is what they were mostly after.

According to Winters, it's a way of drawing vital energy into the body akin to how we do when in HIGH states of unconditional love, are open and the source energy is free flowing. Something about it producing the same mono atomic spins unconditional love does that draws raw power in. A being taking this could have the vital power of love at their disposal without the LOVE that generates it naturally.

There is concern that increasing ones personal power and inner strength along with ESP 'seeing knowing telepathic" abilities while NOT being in a place of unconditional love can lead to no good. According to Winters, thats what the Egyptian hierarchies and their gods used it for- dominance over other.

The other thing he discussed was that, the more humans with an emotional body used it, the less they used the emotional body to temper/balance it with thought, the more irrational in behavior they became-in a destructive, domineering manor. In time, they lost their ability to feel all together. A being with no ability to feel for itself or others, empathetically or compassionately can do anything horrible and not have their conscious effected by it. Without the emotional body to tell you- hey this doesn't feel good or right, everything can be reasoned away as good and right.

I think that would be akin to what modern psychology calls a psychopath. If there is any truth to what he says, you can see and maybe understand why he is raising a warning of concern.

It's plausible to me because it is taking a short cut and getting something else to do the work for you. With many things I think its a sign of creative intelligence, evolution and progress, like the lady who invented the roomba to vacuum our homes for us. Right on with that!

This is related to getting something to raise vital life force energy to the extreme heights, that only supped up unconditional love naturally can, without you doing the work of connecting to Source within to draw from it.

Many have reasoned it away because their goals have nothing to do with a full on re-connection to source. They just want to feel better NOW without the work of letting go, turning the negative into positive, coming from the heart, releasing blocks and opening energy flows.

I can see where its tempting for people to use it. Who doesn't want to feel GREAT all of the time by throwing some powder in your morning juice? I suppose I am in this for the long haul because, I want out of this for good.

What happens if 20 years up the road, you can't get your hands on any Ormes? Without having developed your way back into your higher self and full presence, you're back to square one. Without it, you really haven't progressed at all.

What happens to your soul when your body dies and you move on and haven't learned/remembered how to super juice yourself up to the higher planes? You'll be stuck in the lowest ones without your Ormes in the great beyond and will have to come back here again again until you learn to do the work of raising energy vibrations for yourself.

It takes longer with a lot of dips and drops along the way, however, as tempting as external sources of power are for quick easy fixes, I want my hands on the real deal, that I can use anywhere, any place any time and have the added power tempered by loves way to remain humble and in service to others in the spirit of good will towards all.

I don't know what your personal goals are or reasons for wanting to try it. My new motto is that I trust others to run their own universes. I just wanted to share these concerns and considerations so you have more information to make the best choice for yourself  with. 

Mind you , Winters was looking at the long term effects of generations abusing the stuff and other beings who flat out used it to stay disconnected from anything having to do with love or good will while attaining more power.

I could see maybe using it for the short term just to get a feel for what feeling more vitalized and hyper charged can fell like, and then, getting off it. You then know what you are minimally shooting for to feel in your own energy work.

It's sort of akin. to someone using Valium instead of learning how to self calm and relax. It's harder work, but real self empowering progress has been made. Popping a Valium gets you there right away and requires no work, and that may be enough for some.

Its pretty funny to consider that one of the first guys to bring it's use back into the modern day market place was during the materialistic 80s. The market was the buy now pay later, got a problem take a pill generation. :lol:

Well, you asked for our opinions on this. I think your goal to feel more vitalized and hyper juiced is an awesome one. It's a sign, you know we should be feeling and living better and have the potential to be. How you go about it can make a huge difference in the end result.  :wink:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: ORMUS, ORMES, and Mstate. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5216405 - 01/24/06 12:43 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hey jiggy, I more than welcome any comments on this, everyone's input has some sort of significance.

I definitely agree with you about love and essentially it being the natural energy source(simplified :p)

My intentions for experimenting and experiencing with mstate materials from my understanding is the underlying factor to its effects.

From my research on other peoples experiences with ingesting mstate materials is not to different from people who ingest any substance for spiritual purposes, that its your mind state which will determine the effect.

The big difference, to me at least, is the fact of what actually ORMUS or mstate materials are. First I would suggest reading Barry Carters articles to do with the science behind mstate's and more specifically with how it explains consciousness.

This stuff is not like a hallucinogenic molecule, it exist in another quantum state and is everywhere, water is a great source, what % of water are we? There is documents of the amount of mstate found in animal brains(not sure if any human brains where tested) either way they found a significant amount of mstate materials, largely gold if I remember correctly) What i trying to say is this stuff has always been part of us and every living thing, the connection between everything.

I will be honest and say I was a little concerned aswell when I read about it and the possibility's of it being abused or as a tool to power, or control, but hey love is love, try and hold the shackles of love, and realize the shackles are love aswell.

Im not sure but I almost think that mstate is love, it is life, to me  it doesn't tie together lots of things it ties together everything, like I said i think it is the transcendental object, the object from the other side.

I think the science proves it aswell, that makes me laugh, never would have thought :P I mean I highly suggest reading into the science of it, or the theory.

I feel my intentions with its use are of love, peace, and go in with a positive attitude. I dont feel that supplementing myself with mstate is required, and think Im supplied with all the mstate needed, so Im more experimenting or exploring it, as I think it has alot of potential for people who are maybe in need of mstate :smile:
Hopefully it also has a profound effect on my garden and terrarium!

Also, as for the thought of mstate being a non renewable resource, I think that it is. I don't think we will need to extract it or capture it in the future though, I picture more of a balance and symbiosis, and I don't actually think it gets used up,  meaning you ingest some mstate material it doesn't turn into something else, from what i understand anyways. That being said it can change into its metallic counterpart, amazingly lol, and vis versa. Thats another good thing it terms of no more slaves needed to mine gold, Id rather get it out of spring water or volcanic rock.

I again highly suggest reading the articles by barry carter. :wink:

Peace

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Re: ORMUS, ORMES, and Mstate. [Re: Springs]
    #5216556 - 01/24/06 01:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You're beaming already dude! :sun: :lol: What a refreshing read you are here. :cool:

I read the science behind it and if its positive physical effects you want, its positive physical effects you'll get! Your positive state alone should be providing you plenty of that already. It's awesome!

I'll PM you a link to information that raises some 'concerns", you may be interested in taking a look at first since you posted looking for more info on it.

Can I ask you if you lucid dream and if you have traveled faster then the speed of light yet? If so, are you also able to direct where you want to go with intention and get there?

I'm asking that question for my own curiosity semi-related to this.

Anyway, you don't impress as someone looking to become Dependant on something for a cure all feel good high. You seem to be able to amp yourself up and stay positively charged well on your own. Before you experiment, read the links for shits and giggles anyway. At least they may help you to navigate your way through safer experimentation.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: ORMUS, ORMES, and Mstate. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5275970 - 02/08/06 12:34 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

Thanks for the pm, I appreciate your concerns, and I surely am in no rush to get start experimenting, at this point in time. I don't really think I need or want more of what I already have, if you know what i mean. :smile:
I am what most would consider a chronic marijuana user, its very much a spiritual thing, it has and continue to aid and help me. I don't rely on it though. I love it :laugh: I love to share it :laugh:

I do lucid dream, sometimes I'm not aware of it though, but I'm sure every time I sleep I could be aware, I'm not all too solid on lucid dreams.

How I think of traveling faster than the speed of light is being outside of time, the faster you go the slower time becomes, at the speed of light time is stopped, I'm not sure there is a faster than the speed of light, I don't know even really think the speed of light should be considered fast. I don't think Ive been all to aware when I have been in what I would consider to be a no time state, as in pure light. I mean Its a trixie thing to answer or to process into english. I would say Ive had success and not with my intentions, although its not like Ive been aware for a long period of "time" So basically yes and no. :laugh:

Its kinda been a rollercoster for me for just over a month, I haven't like felt bad or low or anything at all, Ive actually felt good and positive, but things just haven't been going the way of love and goodness outside of myself, like situations that I'm involved in aswell. So its kinda been weird, and at times trying.

I still feel the love everyday though, hopen others will figure it out sooner rather than later.:D

love and peace

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Re: ORMUS, ORMES, and Mstate. [Re: Springs]
    #5277374 - 02/08/06 12:37 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

This is wierd, I havn't read you any where else here that I can recall and I feel like I know you well. You must be a peoples person. You're very delightful.

The place you described yourself being in is exactly where another friend of mine was when he was looking into it and ordered it. I felt like he got impatient and was looking for the quick fix. The wierd thing was, he was so ahead of the pack in so many ways and even ahead of his blue print schedule.

Becoming supra human takes time, many life times. Anything that makes you become supra human over night has got to have some serious side effects as in buy and use now, pay for it latter. The faustain bargain.

It's a been a while since you first posted and I replied and I forget why I asked the other question realted to lucid dream intention ability. If you were traveling at the speed of thought with intention to anywhere you wanted to be in lucid dream time, I know I was going to say that occasional use of Ormes for a pick me up is fine. I wish I could remember what it is about the stuff that supresses some vital abilities that if developed now naturally, will pay off big for you later on when you depart this physical plane.

Oh well, check out the links and decide whats right for you.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: ORMUS, ORMES, and Mstate. [Re: Springs]
    #22348939 - 10/08/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's good, it's good. :sun:

I know very little about alchemy, except I did read that alchemists' true goal was to transmute the soul. . in to pure living, joy, love, etc. . . which I thought was very cool, because that is the most valuable.

I really liked the OP - very interesting and enjoyable to read. . . I'll give the page a look today.

Thanks! :sun:


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Re: ORMUS, ORMES, and Mstate. [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22349943 - 10/08/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is a very old thread, but it's funny actually because I've been talking to a couple of people about this recently. I take an ORMUS supplement every day and have done for the past couple of months. It's not a gold supplement (which is supposed to be very strong).This contains other monoatomic elements which aren't quite as conductive as gold, but still very good stuff. Not only have I noticed certain physical benefits from it (strengthened nails etc), but it actually has a very noticeable effect on my level of clarity. My mind is stiller during meditation, I have more energy and better awareness during daily life, and it has also enhanced my dream state and clarity.

Now, my understanding is that whilst the M-state particles are a key part of a good ORMUS supplement, what is crucial is having an alchemist who can imprint his own charge into the supplement itself. It's a way for a master to allow those who have not attained realisation and liberation to boost their own energy and vitality by using his own energetic imprint, and to help them on the path. .

It's important not to confuse external alchemy with internal alchemy however. Internal alchemy, the transmutation of the self from lead into gold is always the main goal. External alchemy such as ORMUS is just to help assist with that process.


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