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For the record I don't have any problems with Muslims or religions in general, you can believe in what ever you want to... But I do have problems with people migrating to a different country and expecting us to accommodate to their culture and way of life. It doesn't work like that, you want to to live here, then you accommodate to us and our culture, or else go back to your own fucking country. Probably the only thing I agree with Stephen Harper on. I do think if someone chooses to wear it they should take it off for citizenship ceremonies, public event's, entering banks etc... What do you guys think?
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#22349625 - 10/08/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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People can do whatever they want, oppression isn't the answer. Culture is diversity and diversity is what makes it possible to have beautiful things.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22349638 - 10/08/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think they're weird and dehumanizing. I can't imagine why anyone would wear them willingly. 
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MagicMush123 said: But I do have problems with people migrating to a different country and expecting us to accommodate to their culture and way of life. It doesn't work like that, you want to to live here, then you accommodate to us and our culture, or else go back to your own fucking country.
Agreed. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure if an American woman moved somewhere in the middle east where it's traditional to wear them and she chose not to, she'd get a lot of shit for it.
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But covers their entire face and they think they shouldn't have to take of off for driver licensing pics, citizenship ceremonies, entering banks... Fuck us non Muslim folk can't even enter a bank with a hat/ sunglasses for example.. And we have to our hats off for licensing pics, even if it shows our face..
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Eminence]
#22349652 - 10/08/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a pretty childish outlook, those above violence and discrimination should seek out ways to be a positive influence rather than assuming the best course of action is to fling shit like the rest of the monkeys.
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I'm just saying they should have to remove it for certain things and them put it back on... We are giving to much power to religions. Religion is above law now.. ( not a big deal) and example of this how I would get a ticket for riding a motorcycle without a helmet, but someone with a turbin wouldn't
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
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Imagine if the first American immigrants had molded themselves to the ways of Americans native peoples, things would be so different these days.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Lucis]
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It goes so much further than that tho.. It wasnt long ago you would hear "merry Christmas" but you don't now because retailers don't want to "offend " people that don't celebrate it... I suggest if they don't want to hear or celebrate it, then they shouldn't get the stat holiday and should go to work
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#22349848 - 10/08/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think its acceptable sometimes. Though im not really aware of any instances of someone using a niqab as a guise involving a criminal activity, the whole thing is waiting to be exploited.
Plus the fact that they expect to be able to wear it in ID pictures is ridiculous. Ffs look at this garbage theyre getting away with.


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: JvF]
#22349872 - 10/08/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Exactly I can see a non Muslim, using as cover while robbing a bank or gas station with one on.. Until that happens we won't have serious opposition
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22349881 - 10/08/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: I'm just saying they should have to remove it for certain things and them put it back on... We are giving to much power to religions. Religion is above law now.. ( not a big deal) and example of this how I would get a ticket for riding a motorcycle without a helmet, but someone with a turbin wouldn't
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MagicMush123 said: It goes so much further than that tho.. It wasnt long ago you would hear "merry Christmas" but you don't now because retailers don't want to "offend " people that don't celebrate it... I suggest if they don't want to hear or celebrate it, then they shouldn't get the stat holiday and should go to work 
Do not take offense to the term Christmas, but also do not celebrate the holiday as the birthday of the son of God either. Not sure why so much power should be given to a religion that it has to bear a namesake when the day off could just be a random day off. 
Anyone who chooses to wear a turban instead of a motorcycle helmet deserves whatever they get though, and it stands to be worse than a ticket.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Eminence]
#22349893 - 10/08/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eminence said: I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure if an American woman moved somewhere in the middle east where it's traditional to wear them and she chose not to, she'd get a lot of shit for it.
As I understand, it's a bit more nuanced. In countries like Saudi Arava where the niqab is quite popular, it's expected of western women that they wear a headscarf in public, but not a niqab. The niqab is specific to a few rather strict interpretations of the Islam and it's up to the community of practitioners of that specific variant to wear a niqab. It's not required of western women unless they join such a community of course. Like in the west, Arabian countries expect you to adjust in some ways, but there is some leeway in general. Obviously, you can also expect to be discriminated against for being a westerner, just like you can expect to be discriminated against for being an Arab in a western country. The degree to which this happens may vary of course.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: koraks]
#22350327 - 10/08/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really don't care. I'm not for persecuting groups for no good reason, but I also don't give a shit about religions of any description. Everyone should follow the same rules, whatever you 'believe'.
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The word culture wouldn't exist without different ways of life.
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I cant belive people dont see its fucking conservative bullshit.its complete politic manipulation an people take the bait like fuckin retards. Only 2 people since 2011 had refused to enter with without the niqab . And for your info its only for attending the official ceremony. Pictures on identification card never was the issue .
I sincrly dgaf they wear a hat at a fuckin ceremony . This whole debate is stupid as fck, its only a political show going
Edit: If harper wins with this tactic ,canada will be officialy as retard as the us
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IDK much about harper, but is he the equivelent of trump? Or more like George bush?
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Achillita]
#22350607 - 10/08/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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As in public perception? More like Obama.
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I don't quite remember obama making a big deal about the muslims in the country
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Achillita]
#22350655 - 10/08/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hes probably one of the worst prime minister we ever had, hes really US style, also economy and racism seems to be his only arguments right now.
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It goes for all migrants, who want to live in our country but don't want to conform to our way of living, what about those Jamaicans who refused to take the monarchy oath to Queen or whatever it is because it's against their religion... Like fuck either do it and follow the rules ir get the fuck out
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22350798 - 10/08/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, apparently in some parts of Europe there are Muslims enforcing Sharia Law, for example. "Diversity" and "tolerance" will end up fucking everything up over there. You can't make everyone happy.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Eminence]
#22350810 - 10/08/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont understand how anyone would be oke with it being worn for an id picture. That could be nearly any female with similar skin tone, how would anyone be able to tell who it is?
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Chuckfinely]
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MagicMush123 said: It goes for all migrants, who want to live in our country but don't want to conform to our way of living, what about those Jamaicans who refused to take the monarchy oath to Queen or whatever it is because it's against their religion... Like fuck either do it and follow the rules ir get the fuck out
again probably a fuckin miniscule % of the actual immigrants who complained. but like really ? its a fuckin ceremony WHO CARES ??
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Eminence said: Yeah, apparently in some parts of Europe there are Muslims enforcing Sharia Law, for example. "Diversity" and "tolerance" will end up fucking everything up over there. You can't make everyone happy. 
i understand that some place group like that will form but its where millions and millions of imigrants came. but concerning canada we are only entering 10000 syrian thourght out the entire canada.its nothing how can someone be actualy scared that they take over wtf? 
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Chuckfinely said: I dont understand how anyone would be oke with it being worn for an id picture. That could be nearly any female with similar skin tone, how would anyone be able to tell who it is?
nobody is doing that!! it happened like twice ever and all other pics on the net is fuckin fake. this is not even an issue for fuck sake. how can you identify the person?? no place ever allowed that
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Also, tbh this picture isn't even a problem. You can clearly see all the facial features. It's like complaining that someone has long hair at the sides of their faces and that's gonna stop identification.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Eminence]
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Eminence said: Yeah, apparently in some parts of Europe there are Muslims enforcing Sharia Law, for example. "Diversity" and "tolerance" will end up fucking everything up over there. You can't make everyone happy. 
Would you be able to clarify which parts of Europe this is in?
A quick google search for "Europe Sharia Law" brought up a Snopes article stating that there was a false news story on the matter, and various rumours spread.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
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... A week later, Fox News issued four separate on-air apologies for reporting the story about no-go zones incorrectly, including one in which anchor Julie Banderas offered a blanket apology to "the people of France and England": Over the course of this last week we have made some regrettable errors on air regarding the Muslim population in Europe — particularly with regard to England and France.
This applies especially to discussions of so-called 'no-go zones,' areas where non-Muslims allegedly aren't allowed in, and police supposedly won't go.
To be clear, there is no formal designation of these zones in either country, and no credible information to support the assertion there are specific areas in these countries that exclude individuals based solely on their religion.
There are certainly areas of high crime in Europe, as there are in the United States and other countries — where police and visitors enter with caution. We deeply regret the errors, and apologize to any and all who may have taken offense, including the people of France and England.
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There was also a kind of interesting article regarding the impacts of Sharia Law existing in Greece, and a Muslim woman's attempts to overthrow its influence, but that legal framework traces back nearly a century, rather than being a new development.
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The reason for the persistence of Sharia law in a traditionally Christian country stems from the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne between Greece and Turkey, which aimed in part at protecting the Greek minority in Turkey and vice versa; two clauses provide,
The Turkish Government undertakes to take, as regards non-Moslem minorities, in so far as concerns their family law or personal status, measures permitting the settlement of these questions in accordance with the customs of those minorities….
The rights conferred by the provisions of the present Section on the non-Moslem minorities of Turkey will be similarly conferred by Greece on the Moslem minority in her territory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/13/muslim-woman-fighting-sharia-law-in-europe/
The latter case is interesting, because such cases of individual judges making decisions weighted on Islamic input is not limited to Europe:
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There is one New Jersey case, S.D. v. M.J.R., that anti-Shariah critics point to as evidence that Shariah is threatening the American legal system. "It's more than a simple red herring," said Awad.
In that case, a wife sought a restraining order against her husband, alleging that he repeatedly beat and sexually assaulted her.
At the trial, the husband presented an imam who testified that, in Islam, husbands have the right to expect sex whenever they want. The judge concluded that because the husband had no criminal intent and was only following his religious beliefs, there was no crime, and did not grant the restraining order.
The ruling was wrong under both Shariah and New Jersey law, lawyers said; a New Jersey appellate court reversed the decision in 2010.
Most Islamic legal experts have said that husbands have no right to expect sex whenever they want, and said the judge erred on U.S. law by basing his ruling on the intent of the husband, and not on whether the wife was assaulted.
"It's not about the rapist's mindset, it's about the victim's mindset. If she doesn't want it, if she says no, then its rape," said Youssef. "The real issue is that the judge was wrong on the law altogether. It's unfortunate that Islam was in the middle of that."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/muslim-divorces-sharia-law_n_1930921.html
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MagicMush123 said: For the record I don't have any problems with Muslims or religions in general, you can believe in what ever you want to... But I do have problems with people migrating to a different country and expecting us to accommodate to their culture and way of life. It doesn't work like that, you want to to live here, then you accommodate to us and our culture, or else go back to your own fucking country. Probably the only thing I agree with Stephen Harper on. I do think if someone chooses to wear it they should take it off for citizenship ceremonies, public event's, entering banks etc... What do you guys think?
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If he wears it that often, then I see no problem. I mean seriously, he's not hiding his identity...
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Tantrika]
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Well I hope I'm wrong. I can't remember where I read it exactly, it was a few months ago, but I did make a point to type "apparently" so I wasn't stating it as fact.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Achillita]
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If he wears it that often, then I see no problem. I mean seriously, he's not hiding his identity...
But still... 
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Jean-guy Masta said: I cant belive people dont see its fucking conservative bullshit.its complete politic manipulation an people take the bait like fuckin retards. Only 2 people since 2011 had refused to enter with without the niqab . And for your info its only for attending the official ceremony. Pictures on identification card never was the issue .
I sincrly dgaf they wear a hat at a fuckin ceremony . This whole debate is stupid as fck, its only a political show going
Edit: If harper wins with this tactic ,canada will be officialy as retard as the us
Merci now I don't have to post exactly fucking that^. There are so many issues that are actually important and this is what Harper is doing. I don't give a flying fuck about this total non issue. I also think the pastafarian should be able to mock it all with his pasta strainer too.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: my3rdeye]
#22353559 - 10/09/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree also it shows his face... Plus if a Hindu can wear a turbin, why can't he wear a pasta colander? People can irrationality believe whatever religion or superstition they want
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#22353769 - 10/09/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This sounds like discrimination against vegetable colanders. Ban?
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MagicMush123 said: For the record I don't have any problems with Muslims or religions in general, you can believe in what ever you want to... But I do have problems with people migrating to a different country and expecting us to accommodate to their culture and way of life. It doesn't work like that, you want to to live here, then you accommodate to us and our culture, or else go back to your own fucking country. Probably the only thing I agree with Stephen Harper on. I do think if someone chooses to wear it they should take it off for citizenship ceremonies, public event's, entering banks etc... What do you guys think?
I believe were on the same page fellow Canadian. Are you from the country side by anychance? 
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I think that it does not really matter if people wear niqabs or not, it does not matter what people wear on their heads or their genitals etc... for whatever reason.
There is something that I would like to make clear though, to impose a belief system or a way of life onto someone else, especially when you go to a country where they generally are accepting of outside cultures, this is wrong to do so.
I come myself from a muslim family but don't believe in it now because I have felt the subordination and the oppression from Islam - the suppression of free thinking, suppression of creativity and free sexual and individual human expression - all these things.
If however people want to believe something, so long as it doesn't breach the freedom of other people it is fine - even if you disregard your own freedom.
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Covering up is very important, depending on what sect/how conservative they are. America was founded on religious freedom. Of course this freedom doesn't extend as far as it should. Ex: you take psychedelics for religious/spiritual purposes & aren't part of a specific church like the NAC, you have a problem. As did the NAC for quite some time. But all this "you have to completely assimilate into our culture bullshit" Nope. Diversity is a beautiful thing. One of the things I love about America is the melting pot aspect of it. Coming into contact into different cultures is awesome, and a great learning experience.
I work with a lot of folks from Muslim countries, and they're very kind, respectful & caring people. Some of their customs are more alien to me than others; for example some of the women will not talk to men that aren't family. Some of the men get uncomfortable if their wife is alone in a room with other men & no other women. That's something that I'll never understand, and it's made my job more difficult at times. But many do relax their customs a bit when they are here. They ask questions about our country/customs, learn English & teach me Arabic. It's been a great experience working with these families.
It's funny how even an online community such as the shroomery is so vocal against cultures they don't understand. Yet everyone would be the first to pat themselves about how "open minded" they are.
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Dark_Star said: Covering up is very important, depending on what sect/how conservative they are. America was founded on religious freedom. Of course this freedom doesn't extend as far as it should. Ex: you take psychedelics for religious/spiritual purposes & aren't part of a specific church like the NAC, you have a problem. As did the NAC for quite some time. But all this "you have to completely assimilate into our culture bullshit" Nope. Diversity is a beautiful thing. One of the things I love about America is the melting pot aspect of it. Coming into contact into different cultures is awesome, and a great learning experience.
I work with a lot of folks from Muslim countries, and they're very kind, respectful & caring people. Some of their customs are more alien to me than others; for example some of the women will not talk to men that aren't family. Some of the men get uncomfortable if their wife is alone in a room with other men & no other women. That's something that I'll never understand, and it's made my job more difficult at times. But many do relax their customs a bit when they are here. They ask questions about our country/customs, learn English & teach me Arabic. It's been a great experience working with these families.
It's funny how even an online community such as the shroomery is so vocal against cultures they don't understand. Yet everyone would be the first to pat themselves about how "open minded" they are. 
Sure, but common, if you want to join Canada, do the damned ceremony the way it is. If you can't manage that, whop de do and get packing. We can take it up to a certain degree, but soon we will lose the very essence of what we were trying to create and lose grasp of the diversifying goals we had in the first place
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May I add racistly, there are certain ideals that I don't ever want to see, or to be embraced. I think its a natural feeling, thats just what I believe.
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XLCaps said: People can do whatever they want, oppression isn't the answer. Culture is diversity and diversity is what makes it possible to have beautiful things.
That is at least half retarded. Culture isNot diversity, and diversity doesn't guarentee anything beautiful, and Muslems don;t want diverse anything
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It's funny how even an online community such as the shroomery is so vocal against cultures they don't understand. Yet everyone would be the first to pat themselves about how "open minded" they are. 
Yea wtf , I was expecting it from old souverin red neck people around me in Quebec ,but really wasnt expecting such stupidity on here 
@shortknight again it's a miniscule % of immigrants who actually refused the ceremony. People don't see its tiny fuckin issue .People automatically go full tard when It comes to nationalism. Thy gon take our culture/jerbz!! They gon take over! Wtf were canada we only take like 10000 syrians which is fuckin nothing considering the hell is going on there
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Just because you've heard of some extremist muslim groups, you think every muslim is going to want to behead infidels?
That's like basing your view of christians solely based on the Westboro Baptist Church.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Shortknight]
#22354035 - 10/09/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, from the city ( Vancouver) I really don't even care about it.. It just pisses me off that you migrate to another country and Think you can call the shots and be accommodated... When they weren't invited are generally aren't wanted ( not migrants but people in general because we have enough people here) like fuck even if you don't like our customs just go with it and go through the motions, do be ungrateful and complain saying we are racist or un welcoming. If you don't like how we do things go to states or Europe, we won't be losing any sleep at night because you went somewhere else that is willing to.bend over backwards for you
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22354055 - 10/09/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You bend over backwards to swear allegiance to the queen of England....and you have the gall to poke fun at other culture's customs. Canada, LOL.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22354097 - 10/09/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP Stop talking about all immigrants as a group. 99.999 go throught customs without saying shit .wtf . Stop with your fuckin spoiled nationalism opinions. Canada doesn't even have a fuckin culture no one gives a fuck about the queen
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Achillita]
#22354126 - 10/09/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Just because you've heard of some extremist muslim groups, you think every muslim is going to want to behead infidels?
That's like basing your view of christians solely based on the Westboro Baptist Church.
Noone is saying 'all Muslems are bad'. The majority hold perniciois beliefs.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Dark_Star]
#22354128 - 10/09/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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On the other hand people, just something to think about! It can be said that striving for this kind of diversity can squelch diversity as a whole. Think about it, really think about it. You have Canadians, you have Americans, you have the swiss, you have russians, you have the Chinese, you have the Japanese. As a stranger going into each one of these places you're going to pick up a hell of alot of culture if they let you embrace it. You're going to see something special, something different, something truely unique, that you can hopefully take back to your hometown and share it in your own way. Atleast with yourself and the essence of grace you carry around everywhere. lol, this is where its going to paint me back, but the more you muddy the picture, the MORE you lose diversity with its clear distinctions it already has! Im proud to be different. Really!
Losing the foundations of what Canadian stands for is the underlying issue for me. It scares the hell out of me sometimes, but I do, I do try to not get sucked into the machine, the combine some might say But back to what im getting at. We can't undermind our foundations of this proud, honest country, especially if what we were building is something great. You take out the foundations, you lose the whole eventually Changing a citizen oath. Taking the national anthem out of public schools, changing uniforms to fit certain afflictions. This is a drip on an eroding culture and soon it simply wont be there.
God bless Canada eh!vLove your neighbor, spread love and live your life the way you want to. Hold on to who you think dear, its a simple life
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Shortknight]
#22354196 - 10/09/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It starts with a niqab it ends with they are gonna take over .
Did black people took away US culture ??. Just stop this argument is a straight result of fear from the media (financed by Conservative party). It's like the oldest political tactic
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We are not saying it gonna be terrorist bombings etc were just saying if we have to follow they should too, your mistaking it for racism when it's not, and it has nothing to do.with Harper, like I said it's the ONLY thing I agree on... And not because I don't like Muslims but because I feel if they want to come here they should have to follow the same.rules, no special exceptions because " ohhhhhhhh I can't take it off, it's my religion. Your discriminating against me because I'm Muslim") or whatever other religion they are
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22354465 - 10/09/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If we eventually get everyone to look, think, and act the same, then we'll have finally reached cultural nirvana.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22354473 - 10/09/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: For the record I don't have any problems with Muslims or religions in general, you can believe in what ever you want to... But I do have problems with people migrating to a different country and expecting us to accommodate to their culture and way of life. It doesn't work like that, you want to to live here, then you accommodate to us and our culture, or else go back to your own fucking country. Probably the only thing I agree with Stephen Harper on. I do think if someone chooses to wear it they should take it off for citizenship ceremonies, public event's, entering banks etc... What do you guys think?
America is a melting pot. No one should feel they can't express their religion outside of the state and it's laws. Separation between church and state is a must though.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: abltsandwich]
#22354479 - 10/09/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not a fan of them.
They are humans though and deserve to be treated as humans even if their culture is evil and backward.
There has to be another way to solve this problem without completely turning them away but at the same time not allowing then to overrun Europe
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Janky Tits]
#22354542 - 10/09/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Build a wall.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22355044 - 10/09/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: No, from the city ( Vancouver) I really don't even care about it.. It just pisses me off that you migrate to another country and Think you can call the shots and be accommodated... When they weren't invited are generally aren't wanted ( not migrants but people in general because we have enough people here) like fuck even if you don't like our customs just go with it and go through the motions, do be ungrateful and complain saying we are racist or un welcoming. If you don't like how we do things go to states or Europe, we won't be losing any sleep at night because you went somewhere else that is willing to.bend over backwards for you
When you mention not wanting people in general, "because we have enough people here," are you referring to the city of Vancouver, or the country of Canada on the whole (with a population lower than the state of California and a land mass greater than the US)?
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Tantrika]
#22355254 - 10/09/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Referring the Vancouver, the traffic is so fucking bad and everything seems crowded and busy. Just because the states is over populated doesn't mean we should be too.. But I do get that the prairies and maritimes would be in need of people. And we may have a larger land mass but compared to the states, how much more land do we have that is not habitable?
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Some niqabs are quite pretty. I've seen a bridal one that took my breath away. I don't care if women decide to wear them. If I have to deal with overweight dudes in muscle shirts with very little manscaping, I think I can handle a woman in modest dress.
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muslims are fucking retarded. Muhammed is a goatfucker.
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Fuck the Niqab. Fuck Religion.
State law trumps religious "rights" period. I don't give a fuck what you believe, but I'm not going to tolerate you being able to refuse being ID'ed because of the stupid shit you were brainwashed to believe 5000 miles away in a retarded country. State laws a real life things. Your superstitions are not. So fuck off.
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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22355559 - 10/09/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Referring the Vancouver, the traffic is so fucking bad and everything seems crowded and busy. Just because the states is over populated doesn't mean we should be too.. But I do get that the prairies and maritimes would be in need of people. And we may have a larger land mass but compared to the states, how much more land do we have that is not habitable?
City life does get crowded. Montréal was at times overwhelming.
If 10% of Canada is habitable land, that is still in the range of something like double the size of California.
The idea that there are people harassing or attacking women in our streets for what type of clothing they choose to wear feels less Canadian to me than someone choosing to cover up for personal reasons. Suppose, however, that could be tied closely to the fact that I am not religious. People who associate Christian values with Canadian values may hold an interpretation of their culture being at war with an invading culture. 
The unfortunate aspect of the Conservative stance on the issue is that they feel continually fighting the courts to be the best option. Since the courts struck down their objection to the case, the government has announced that they will be making further efforts to ban the niqab and ban covering of the face at citizenship ceremonies. This will only lead to new challenges and court cases. They already took this approach with the cannabis laws in their previous years, and those were struck down once again just recently. Not to mention court cases that came up in response to when they changed the medical legislation as well. Who is paying for all this?
It works to the Conservative advantage to push the issue right now though -- Québec, in particular, made legislation regarding all religious symbols a few years ago. It is a relatively safe issue for them to square off against the NDP on, and the NDP had a strong showing in Québec last time around. There also seems to be a rhetoric that Mulcair's slide in the polls recently has been due to the niqab issue -- if orange voters keep swinging over to Liberal it may not work as much to the Conservative advantage as they would hope though.
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