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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Jean-guy Masta] * 1
    #22350765 - 10/08/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It goes for all migrants,  who want to live in our country but don't want to conform to our way of living, what about those Jamaicans who refused to take the monarchy oath to Queen or whatever it is because it's against their religion... Like fuck either do it and follow the rules ir get the fuck out


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
    #22350798 - 10/08/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, apparently in some parts of Europe there are Muslims enforcing Sharia Law, for example. "Diversity" and "tolerance" will end up fucking everything up over there. You can't make everyone happy. :shrug:


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Eminence]
    #22350810 - 10/08/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I dont understand how anyone would be oke with it being worn for an id picture. That could be nearly any female with similar skin tone, how would anyone be able to tell who it is?


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #22350875 - 10/08/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
It goes for all migrants,  who want to live in our country but don't want to conform to our way of living, what about those Jamaicans who refused to take the monarchy oath to Queen or whatever it is because it's against their religion... Like fuck either do it and follow the rules ir get the fuck out



again probably a fuckin miniscule % of the actual immigrants who complained. but like really ? its a fuckin ceremony WHO CARES ??  :thefuckisthis:

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Eminence said:
Yeah, apparently in some parts of Europe there are Muslims enforcing Sharia Law, for example. "Diversity" and "tolerance" will end up fucking everything up over there. You can't make everyone happy. :shrug:




i understand that some place group like that will form but its where millions and millions of imigrants came. but concerning canada we are only entering 10000 syrian thourght out the entire canada.its nothing how can someone be actualy scared that they take over wtf? :doublefacepalm:

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I dont understand how anyone would be oke with it being worn for an id picture. That could be nearly any female with similar skin tone, how would anyone be able to tell who it is?




nobody is doing that!! it happened like twice ever and all other pics on the net is fuckin fake. this is not even an issue for fuck sake. how can you identify the person?? no place ever allowed that


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Jean-guy Masta] * 1
    #22351651 - 10/08/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also, tbh this picture isn't even a problem. You can clearly see all the facial features. It's like complaining that someone has long hair at the sides of their faces and that's gonna stop identification.


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Eminence]
    #22351957 - 10/08/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Eminence said:
Yeah, apparently in some parts of Europe there are Muslims enforcing Sharia Law, for example. "Diversity" and "tolerance" will end up fucking everything up over there. You can't make everyone happy. :shrug:




Would you be able to clarify which parts of Europe this is in?

A quick google search for "Europe Sharia Law" brought up a Snopes article stating that there was a false news story on the matter, and various rumours spread.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

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A week later, Fox News issued four separate on-air apologies for reporting the story about no-go zones incorrectly, including one in which anchor Julie Banderas offered a blanket apology to "the people of France and England":
Over the course of this last week we have made some regrettable errors on air regarding the Muslim population in Europe — particularly with regard to England and France.

This applies especially to discussions of so-called 'no-go zones,' areas where non-Muslims allegedly aren't allowed in, and police supposedly won't go.

To be clear, there is no formal designation of these zones in either country, and no credible information to support the assertion there are specific areas in these countries that exclude individuals based solely on their religion.

There are certainly areas of high crime in Europe, as there are in the United States and other countries — where police and visitors enter with caution. We deeply regret the errors, and apologize to any and all who may have taken offense, including the people of France and England.

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There was also a kind of interesting article regarding the impacts of Sharia Law existing in Greece, and a Muslim woman's attempts to overthrow its influence, but that legal framework traces back nearly a century, rather than being a new development.
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The reason for the persistence of Sharia law in a traditionally Christian country stems from the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne between Greece and Turkey, which aimed in part at protecting the Greek minority in Turkey and vice versa; two clauses provide,

    The Turkish Government undertakes to take, as regards non-Moslem minorities, in so far as concerns their family law or personal status, measures permitting the settlement of these questions in accordance with the customs of those minorities….

    The rights conferred by the provisions of the present Section on the non-Moslem minorities of Turkey will be similarly conferred by Greece on the Moslem minority in her territory.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/13/muslim-woman-fighting-sharia-law-in-europe/

The latter case is interesting, because such cases of individual judges making decisions weighted on Islamic input is not limited to Europe:

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There is one New Jersey case, S.D. v. M.J.R., that anti-Shariah critics point to as evidence that Shariah is threatening the American legal system. "It's more than a simple red herring," said Awad.

In that case, a wife sought a restraining order against her husband, alleging that he repeatedly beat and sexually assaulted her.

At the trial, the husband presented an imam who testified that, in Islam, husbands have the right to expect sex whenever they want. The judge concluded that because the husband had no criminal intent and was only following his religious beliefs, there was no crime, and did not grant the restraining order.

The ruling was wrong under both Shariah and New Jersey law, lawyers said; a New Jersey appellate court reversed the decision in 2010.

Most Islamic legal experts have said that husbands have no right to expect sex whenever they want, and said the judge erred on U.S. law by basing his ruling on the intent of the husband, and not on whether the wife was assaulted.

"It's not about the rapist's mindset, it's about the victim's mindset. If she doesn't want it, if she says no, then its rape," said Youssef. "The real issue is that the judge was wrong on the law altogether. It's unfortunate that Islam was in the middle of that."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/muslim-divorces-sharia-law_n_1930921.html


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #22351971 - 10/08/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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For the record I don't have any problems with Muslims or religions in general,  you can believe in what ever you want to... But I do have problems with people migrating to a different country and expecting us to accommodate to their culture and way of life. It doesn't work like that, you want to to live here, then you accommodate to us and our culture, or else go back to your own fucking country. Probably the only thing I agree with Stephen Harper on. I do think if someone chooses to wear it they should take it off for citizenship ceremonies, public event's,  entering banks etc... What do you guys think?





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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Achillita]
    #22351984 - 10/08/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, tbh this picture isn't even a problem. You can clearly see all the facial features. It's like complaining that someone has long hair at the sides of their faces and that's gonna stop identification.








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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22351996 - 10/08/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl: If he wears it that often, then I see no problem. I mean seriously, he's not hiding his identity...

But still... :lol:


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Tantrika]
    #22352017 - 10/08/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well I hope I'm wrong. I can't remember where I read it exactly, it was a few months ago, but I did make a point to type "apparently" so I wasn't stating it as fact.


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Achillita]
    #22352117 - 10/08/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Achillita said:
:rofl: If he wears it that often, then I see no problem. I mean seriously, he's not hiding his identity...

But still... :lol:




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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Tantrika]
    #22352296 - 10/08/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I cant belive people dont see its fucking conservative bullshit.its complete politic manipulation an people take the bait like fuckin retards. Only 2 people since 2011 had refused to enter with without the niqab . And for your info its only for attending the official ceremony. Pictures on identification card never was the issue .

I sincrly dgaf they wear a hat at a fuckin ceremony . This whole debate is stupid as fck, its only a political show going

Edit: If harper wins with this tactic ,canada will be officialy as retard as the us




Merci now I don't have to post exactly fucking that^. There are so many issues that are actually important and this is what Harper is doing. I don't give a flying fuck about this total non issue. 
I also think the pastafarian should be able to mock it all with his pasta strainer too.


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22353559 - 10/09/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree also it shows his face... Plus if a Hindu can wear a turbin, why can't he wear a pasta colander? People can irrationality believe whatever religion or superstition they want :shrug:


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
    #22353769 - 10/09/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This sounds like discrimination against vegetable colanders. Ban?


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123]
    #22353801 - 10/09/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
For the record I don't have any problems with Muslims or religions in general,  you can believe in what ever you want to... But I do have problems with people migrating to a different country and expecting us to accommodate to their culture and way of life. It doesn't work like that, you want to to live here, then you accommodate to us and our culture, or else go back to your own fucking country. Probably the only thing I agree with Stephen Harper on. I do think if someone chooses to wear it they should take it off for citizenship ceremonies, public event's,  entering banks etc... What do you guys think?




I believe were on the same page fellow Canadian. Are you from the country side by anychance? :peace:

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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #22353877 - 10/09/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think that it does not really matter if people wear niqabs or not, it does not matter what people wear on their heads or their genitals etc... for whatever reason.

There is something that I would like to make clear though, to impose a belief system or a way of life onto someone else, especially when you go to a country where they generally are accepting of outside cultures, this is wrong to do so.

I come myself from a muslim family but don't believe in it now because I have felt the subordination and the oppression from Islam - the suppression of free thinking, suppression of creativity and free sexual and individual human expression - all these things.

If however people want to believe something, so long as it doesn't breach the freedom of other people it is fine - even if you disregard your own freedom.

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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Shortknight] * 1
    #22353900 - 10/09/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Covering up is very important, depending on what sect/how conservative they are.  America was founded on religious freedom. Of course this freedom doesn't extend as far as it should. Ex: you take psychedelics for religious/spiritual purposes & aren't part of a specific church like the NAC, you have a problem. As did the NAC for quite some time. But all this "you have to completely assimilate into our culture bullshit" Nope. Diversity is a beautiful thing. One of the things I love about America is the melting pot aspect of it. Coming into contact into different cultures is awesome, and a great learning experience.

I work with a lot of folks from Muslim countries, and they're very kind, respectful & caring people. Some of their customs are more alien to me than others; for example some of the women will not talk to men that aren't family. Some of the men get uncomfortable if their wife is alone in a room with other men & no other women. That's something that I'll never understand, and it's made my job more difficult at times. But many do relax their customs a bit when they are here. They ask questions about our country/customs, learn English & teach me Arabic. It's been a great experience working with these families.

It's funny how even an online community such as the shroomery is so vocal against cultures they don't understand. Yet everyone would be the first to pat themselves about how "open minded" they are. :smirk:


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22353932 - 10/09/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Covering up is very important, depending on what sect/how conservative they are.  America was founded on religious freedom. Of course this freedom doesn't extend as far as it should. Ex: you take psychedelics for religious/spiritual purposes & aren't part of a specific church like the NAC, you have a problem. As did the NAC for quite some time. But all this "you have to completely assimilate into our culture bullshit" Nope. Diversity is a beautiful thing. One of the things I love about America is the melting pot aspect of it. Coming into contact into different cultures is awesome, and a great learning experience.

I work with a lot of folks from Muslim countries, and they're very kind, respectful & caring people. Some of their customs are more alien to me than others; for example some of the women will not talk to men that aren't family. Some of the men get uncomfortable if their wife is alone in a room with other men & no other women. That's something that I'll never understand, and it's made my job more difficult at times. But many do relax their customs a bit when they are here. They ask questions about our country/customs, learn English & teach me Arabic. It's been a great experience working with these families.

It's funny how even an online community such as the shroomery is so vocal against cultures they don't understand. Yet everyone would be the first to pat themselves about how "open minded" they are. :smirk:




Sure, but common, if you want to join Canada, do the damned ceremony the way it is. If you can't manage that, whop de do and get packing. We can take it up to a certain degree, but soon we will lose the very essence of what we were trying to create and lose grasp of the diversifying goals we had in the first place:yinyang:


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: Shortknight]
    #22353939 - 10/09/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

May I add racistly, there are certain ideals that I don't ever want to see, or to be embraced. I think its a natural feeling, thats just what I believe.:yinyang:


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Re: what do you think about niqabs? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22353941 - 10/09/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
People can do whatever they want, oppression isn't the answer. Culture is diversity and diversity is what makes it possible to have beautiful things.



That is at least half retarded.
Culture isNot diversity, and diversity doesn't guarentee anything beautiful, and Muslems don;t want diverse anything


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