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Buckthorn
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Grow outdoors
#22349548 - 10/08/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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In late May the thunderstorms storm in from the four corners of the earth bringing humidity and fresh air exchange 'FAE'.
All you really need is a plastic box and spray bottle to house your cakes.
Or you can fill a plastic box halfway up with water and a solar paneled aerator in to generate bubbles that burst creating humidity.
This could be done in all seasons but winter as long as theirs sunlight and a warm temperature. I have not tried this yet but my intention is formulating.
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Psilosopherr
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nice wording on the poll question yes should be able to grow this way. Assuming we're talking cubensis?
Obviously hide that shit well. Read up on cold fruiting cubensis. You supposedly get slower growing, but more dense, fruits. So you shouldn't have to worry about cold temps unless its freezing.
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Once you have fully colonized cakes, they do very very well outside.
I wouldnt recommend tubbing them. You'll cause more problems by isolating them. You'll also run into issues with the tub filling with rain, etc.
Once colonized, they are remarkably strong. All you need to do is place them outside where they wont dry out or get eaten by slogs.
I recommend simply birthing into a bed of perlite, and burying them in it. You can then add some leaves to camo the white perlite.
I like to do it near streams/rivers.
If you do not cover them, they will dry out quickly.
EDIT: I've done it in spring (lows around 45F and highs in 70sF), summer (75F/90F), and fall (lows around 40F and highs around 65F). With great results. Fall produced some of the largest fruits I've ever seen.
Edited by DrCrumbs (10/08/15 10:55 AM)
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Buckthorn
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Re: Grow outdoors [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22349818 - 10/08/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The tub would have a lid to prevent rain water from entering. A spray bottle is enough for humidity from evaporating water in warmer temperatures without any need for perlite. I tubbed some cakes without perlite outdoors, although indoors I have used perlite.
My best grows were done with a fish tank bubbler to produce fruit as the bubbler brings constant FAE (fresh air exchange) and 100% humidity.
My plan is to attempt an outdoor tub with an aerator powered by a solar panel.
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Cherubim said: The tub would have a lid to prevent rain water from entering. A spray bottle is enough for humidity from evaporating water in warmer temperatures without any need for perlite. I tubbed some cakes without perlite outdoors, although indoors I have used perlite.
My best grows were done with a fish tank bubbler to produce fruit as the bubbler brings constant FAE (fresh air exchange) and 100% humidity.
My plan is to attempt an outdoor tub with an aerator powered by a solar panel.
Fish tank bubblers can be detrimental to FAE and can actually dry out the cakes.
Not sure exactly where you are getting this from.
You say they are your best grows, if you make a built to spec SGFC for fruiting your cakes you will be amazed... 
It has been proven time and time again, all the gadgetry with the wires, pumps and hoses may look cool and hi-tek, but they perform sub-par for the most part.
I have learned this from personal experience.
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Edited by FreeWorldOrder (10/08/15 12:11 PM)
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Buckthorn
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I've also learned from personal experience that if it is a low powered fish pump bubbler and there are gallons of water in the tub, and the bubbles are rising up and out of the water then there will certainly be constant humidity and FAE.
My fruiting chambers were not subpar.
Edited by Cherubim (10/08/15 01:37 PM)
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Psilosopherr
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I say go for it. Props to you if you get a solar powered bubbler deal.
Make your own tek and make it work.
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kosmokratorshaman
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my outdoor bed just fruited today..I spawned 2 and a half quarts to 120 lbs of compost. Its fruiting in 5 places...the whole pit is 8 feet long by 2 feet wide.
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Buckthorn
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I will make a tek. I plan on doing this next year
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Cherubim said: I've also learned from personal experience that if it is a low powered fish pump bubbler and there are gallons of water in the tub, and the bubbles are rising up and out of the water then there will certainly be constant humidity and FAE.
My fruiting chambers were not subpar.
Shit... you are doing all of this for an outdoor grow??
Then you certainty don't need it. Just water daily to keep the bed moist.
When you refer to "fruiting chambers" I thought you were talking about a chamber you put cakes in indoors. In which case a simple SGFC works best for cakes and produces the best yield.
A fish tank bubbler generally performs sub-par to a passive SGFC.
I suppose someone could spend week or months trying to tweak a bubbler setup to work.
But in the time spent doing that you could have used a SGFC and already had a nice harvest... 
I've experimented with the whole aquarium pumps, etc. and went back to the tried and true methods that successful growers have been using for years.
Good luck with your experiments. Nothing wrong with that. Most peoples goal is to use what works best...
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Cherubim said: I've also learned from personal experience that if it is a low powered fish pump bubbler and there are gallons of water in the tub, and the bubbles are rising up and out of the water then there will certainly be constant humidity and FAE.
My fruiting chambers were not subpar.
You don't want a constant humidity level.
The humidity needs to fluctuate quite a bit. The fluctuation of humidity is what aids in evaporation off the surface of the substrate, which happens to be a major pinning trigger.
Maybe one of the TC's will chime in and be able to explain it better.
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Buckthorn
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I've grown with a SGFC and it did not compare to my contraption with a bubbler.
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DrCrumbs
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yeah by placing them outdoors in a tote, your not really placing them outside anymore. I would think this is just going to cause issues.
Any old tubs I placed outside and didn't dump out of the tote never did anything but mold.
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Buckthorn
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Re: Grow outdoors [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22373946 - 10/13/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it causing issues for you? I'm sorry if they do.
Maybe you should learn the fundamentals.
IF it's placed outside then IT IS OUTSIDE?
not outside..

FAE pours through beneath the lid and the humidity of the mist from the bottle is all you need - no need for perlite or fish pump aerator.
Edited by Cherubim (10/13/15 03:59 PM)
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Re: Grow outdoors [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22374004 - 10/13/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DrCrumbs said: yeah by placing them outdoors in a tote, your not really placing them outside anymore. I would think this is just going to cause issues.
Any old tubs I placed outside and didn't dump out of the tote never did anything but mold.
that doesn't make much sense to me. my instincts tell me it was coincidental
I'm not going to touch the "outside is no longer outside if it is in a plastic tote." I could post the definition of outside but that would make me feel like an asshole
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DrCrumbs
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It would be inside the tote. Not really benefiting from what the outdoors has to offer.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Grow outdoors [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22374052 - 10/13/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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oops. maybe you're right. now I'm all confused about what the actual advantage of being outdoors is.
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Buckthorn
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Re: Grow outdoors [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22374118 - 10/13/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Even in dry weather if you put the cakes in the tub (fruiting chamber) then you can keep constant humidity with a mist bottle from the sun evaporating the water.
Edited by Cherubim (10/13/15 04:01 PM)
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DrCrumbs
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Wind... will dry that out so fast.
These chambers are meant to be encapsulated in another structure with near still air.
You will need to bury your cakes up to the tops outside. I prefer perlite, and verm on top. For new cakes. Just dump in a pile and dump the contents of the perlite from the bottom over it for old.
I've had to over the years result to outdoor grows because of space, drama, etc.
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Buckthorn
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Re: Grow outdoors [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22377202 - 10/14/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You assume wind will dry it out fast, I am telling you that is not so.
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why are you fruiting this outside? i would just spawn them to some bulk outdoors in a shady spot, no need for much else, chuck some wet leaves down when it's ready this will act like a casing layer...good luck anyway i guess
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Re: Grow outdoors [Re: cronicr]
#22377230 - 10/14/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cuz i cant grow in me mum n dad's house
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cronicr



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That's a weak answer....good luck
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grownright
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Cherubim said: My fruiting chambers were not subpar.
Suuuure theyre not Sorry man but the shroomerys been around for almost 2 decades now and in that time there have been countless users that come in with some sort of idea that they've put together a "super" fc thats "automated" and tine after time again theyre told the same thing. Its like a script thats put on repeat each week.
Cakes are shitty for outdoors grow btw if youre really in for the outdoor grow. I suggest making up quart jars of grain and innoculating that, once fully colonized spawn it to some compost/manure. I mix my quart in with composted manure and form it into the shape of a mound, sorta like a large cow patty, then I cover it with translucent plastic and allow for full colonization. Then I fruit it after about a week. Ive gottwn decent fruits this way
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well guys
I just made me a little mini tub to go outside
2 qts of spawn to about 8qts of substrate fixing to cover it up and put it under the porch
substrate consists of half and half unpasteurized hpoo to verm

I made an automated thing once didn't turn out too bad when the cakes were done I put them in that wooden frame
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good luck OP
I hope I get to pull a few off this
haven't grew in a while
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grownright
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I made an automated thing once didn't turn out too bad
I think youre the exception to the rule Ive been lurking this site for years amd have never seen an fc built like that produce results like that. You were keeping up with fanning though too right? Ive seen people fruit in holeless tubs they just manually misted and fanned and took care of the substrate and got amazing results.
If you can grow shrooms in an fc like that you would probably excel at bulk. You should try monotubs, theyre fucking awesome
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Did you could grow outside?
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grownright
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The "you may choose only one" from the poll only adds to the hilarity
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Psilosopherr
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grownright said:
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Cherubim said: My fruiting chambers were not subpar.
Suuuure theyre not Sorry man but the shroomerys been around for almost 2 decades now and in that time there have been countless users that come in with some sort of idea that they've put together a "super" fc thats "automated" and tine after time again theyre told the same thing. Its like a script thats put on repeat each week.
you apparently haven't read enough on here to justify shitting on his experiment. shove that dogma where the sun don't shine. "the one saying something is impossible should not interrupt the person doing it."
There are totally automated FC's btw. just takes some dialing in.
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grownright
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Oh believe me I realize there are automated fcs that work, I never said they were impossible. I had an automatic greenhouse once, I quit using it due to space issues and have gone back to monotubs. I've seen users on here that have setup multiple monotubs on a shelf and piped each one of them to one large humidifer with a fan on a timer, it was a novelty at most because weve seen users fill a monotub with shrooms without needing any of that stuff.
I guess I should have been a little more specific in saying that these fc's with aquarium bubblers are subpar, even then I would have been wrong I guess from Mr. Wilson's setup. The majority of these "automatic" fcs you see are from new users that arent efficient, especially with the time and resources put into them and thats what makes them subpar. And thats what I was trying to get at, but I was high when I wrote my initial comment and didnt put much thought into it.... Who am I kidding Im stoned now
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Psilosopherr
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grownright said: Oh believe me I realize there are automated fcs that work, I never said they were impossible. I had an automatic greenhouse once, I quit using it due to space issues and have gone back to monotubs. I've seen users on here that have setup multiple monotubs on a shelf and piped each one of them to one large humidifer with a fan on a timer, it was a novelty at most because weve seen users fill a monotub with shrooms without needing any of that stuff.
I guess I should have been a little more specific in saying that these fc's with aquarium bubblers are subpar, even then I would have been wrong I guess from Mr. Wilson's setup. The majority of these "automatic" fcs you see are from new users that arent efficient, especially with the time and resources put into them and thats what makes them subpar. And thats what I was trying to get at, but I was high when I wrote my initial comment and didnt put much thought into it.... Who am I kidding Im stoned now 
right on. I'm always a little mean first thing in the morning.
gotta just stop posting in the morning, always make an ass of myself
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grownright
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rbalzer said: gotta just stop posting in the morning, always make an ass of myself 
Lol same here, my first post was made not 15 min after I woke up
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Psilosopherr
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rbalzer said: gotta just stop posting in the morning, always make an ass of myself 
Lol same here, my first post was made not 15 min after I woke up 
now that is awesome right there.
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cronicr



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grownright said:
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rbalzer said: gotta just stop posting in the morning, always make an ass of myself 
Lol same here, my first post was made not 15 min after I woke up 
whoa..... 14 minutes late
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