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blew42
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BRF "supercake" grow 2
#22349212 - 10/08/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I got fed up with how slow my current grow is going, and I'm not sure if it is going to produce much of anything. So I made 6 new (Kerr wide mouth) BRF jars with some of hippie3's supercake formula and noc'd em up last night . Hope this goes well!
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42] 1
#22349306 - 10/08/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Define "super cake formula"
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: JacobStorm]
#22349599 - 10/08/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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JacobStorm said: Define "super cake formula"

This except I just used regular BRF and didn't do the lake water/worm castings/liquid kelp part
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42] 1
#22349817 - 10/08/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very interesting. I'm real curious to see how this gonna turn out.
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: JacobStorm]
#22369318 - 10/12/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Small signs of colonization showing up...I'll post pics when they're more apparent/visible. Already MUCH faster than my last jars
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22369477 - 10/12/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was just wondering about this, this morning.
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: JacobStorm] 1
#22392187 - 10/17/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Update:

Colonization is going very well! Much faster compared to my last jars
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22392199 - 10/17/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice.
Ive heard good things about using water from ponds/lakes, even thou u used regulaar water.
So how long ago did u shoot up your jars?
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LogicaL Chaos said: Nice.
Ive heard good things about using water from ponds/lakes, even thou u used regulaar water.
So how long ago did u shoot up your jars?
About 9 days ago!
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42] 1
#22419724 - 10/22/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jars are coming along perfectly! Steady, consistent growth at all 4 inoculation points!
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22420070 - 10/22/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea there was this guy who posted about super cake a few weeks ago. Said colonisation was significantly faster
If I didnt have to buy most of that stuff from overseas id try it for sure.
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anyone know if fishtank water would work?
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Supalemonhaze said: Yea there was this guy who posted about super cake a few weeks ago. Said colonisation was significantly faster
If I didnt have to buy most of that stuff from overseas id try it for sure.
Most local healthfood/co-op stores will have most if not all of it!
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42] 1
#22506403 - 11/10/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cakes have been birthed and dunk/rolled and are in the SGFC. I'll post pics as they come! Only concern is that I rinsed the cakes after birthing but I forgot to do it after they were done soaking/just before rolling. Will this be an issue?
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22506509 - 11/10/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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can be but not anythig major, the rinse just gets off any bacteria that built up during the soak but it should not be any big threat to a fruiting sub
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: cronicr]
#22506566 - 11/10/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, the main important cake wash is the when you birth the cakes.
The one after dunking is pretty much optional.
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No gypsum in the supercake recipe?!
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: Coraltrout]
#22506681 - 11/10/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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A little gypsum never hurts
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Coraltrout said: No gypsum in the supercake recipe?!
I forgot to say, I did add some gypsum! I think I did a tablespoon just like most of the other ingredients Quote:
cronicr said: can be but not anythig major, the rinse just gets off any bacteria that built up during the soak but it should not be any big threat to a fruiting sub
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LogicaL Chaos said: Yeah, the main important cake wash is the when you birth the cakes.
The one after dunking is pretty much optional.
And ah, thank you!
Already seeing a few small pins/knots on one cake, hopes are high! What kind of dry yield could I expect from a grow like this?
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22514723 - 11/12/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Someone should do this with a control group and compare the two.
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22514729 - 11/12/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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blew42 said:
What kind of dry yield could I expect from a grow like this?
with ms anything can happen but i would say no different then if ya just used brf
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: cronicr]
#22543042 - 11/18/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well here's a little update! The first pic is the first nice cluster I pulled this morning! Looks like there's some good ones coming too, and the cake that I got that cluster from is re-dunking right now.
Question: in the second pic, you can see a fruit that starts wide and then suddenly gets thinner and looks like it will be blooming/ready to pick tomorrow. Is this genetic or does the sudden thinning of the stem/opening of the cap indicate a change in the amount of nutrients/water it's recieving?
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589543 - 11/29/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The cakes are all dunking again right now in hopes of more flushes...when they're done, should I re-roll them in Verm? Some of it has fallen off in the process/with previous re-dunks. Just thought it would help retain moisture more
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: cronicr]
#22589552 - 11/29/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What kind of dry yield could I expect from a grow like this?
with ms anything can happen but i would say no different then if ya just used brf
Super cake is a watered down pf cake. Anything less than 100% brf isn't super anymore ha.
I think your shroom looks like that because it does not because the cake itself
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#22589589 - 11/29/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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blew42 said:
What kind of dry yield could I expect from a grow like this?
with ms anything can happen but i would say no different then if ya just used brf
Super cake is a watered down pf cake. Anything less than 100% brf isn't super anymore ha.
I think your shroom looks like that because it does not because the cake itself
I've already pulled half a dry ounce with several flushes to go, and my shrooms look wonderful to me "Watering down" a pf cake would be adding a ton more Verm or water...if I'm taking a standard pf jar mix and adding nutrients that mushrooms like that is not "watering" anything down...that's adding nutrients. With that logic adding gypsum to them would be "watering them down"
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589593 - 11/29/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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those nutrients are not as powerful as BRF hence you're removing space BRF could have occupied.
the additional nutrients are fillers like oatmeal used in tacobell beef.
gypsum is used in such small amounts we don't usually add it to %-ages for substrate calculations. someone will say use 70% coir 30% verm and 5% gypsum = catch my drift.
if you had 6 normal PF cakes, and they did really well you could expect 3.5-7 dry grams first flush so
21-42g dry first flush on normal cakes.
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#22589597 - 11/29/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: those nutrients are not as powerful as BRF hence you're removing space BRF could have occupied.
the additional nutrients are fillers like oatmeal used in tacobell beef.
gypsum is used in such small amounts we don't usually add it to %-ages for substrate calculations. someone will say use 70% coir 30% verm and 5% gypsum = catch my drift.
I suppose, but it's working just as well as any other BRF grow right now. The only benefit from the added nutes was colonization time was quick
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589607 - 11/29/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea whatever works, but if super cake was really better than normal cake, I would think that we would see more than 1% of people doing super cake. good ideas, that work well, and produce results, have a way of catching on here. there's no FDA EPA etc... to cock block good methods. they just catch on.
I'm glad you tried something out, and that it worked. but if it's been around for a few years, and the majority of people are not using it. it's for a good reason, something else better has come along.
when you're doing research on the shroomery try to look for things that have a plethora of results from the person who wrote the TEK as well as people who have followed the TEK.
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#22589649 - 11/29/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: yea whatever works, but if super cake was really better than normal cake, I would think that we would see more than 1% of people doing super cake. good ideas, that work well, and produce results, have a way of catching on here. there's no FDA EPA etc... to cock block good methods. they just catch on.
I'm glad you tried something out, and that it worked. but if it's been around for a few years, and the majority of people are not using it. it's for a good reason, something else better has come along.
when you're doing research on the shroomery try to look for things that have a plethora of results from the person who wrote the TEK as well as people who have followed the TEK.
Fair enough, that makes sense. Thanks. Can you answer my last question?
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589652 - 11/29/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to patch up cakes with more verm, technically it's said not to re-roll them after the first flush. but I see nothing wrong with putting a new pile of fresh verm on top of the cake
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589729 - 11/29/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd be worried about using anything other than BRF/V if I didn't have a PC.
If I did have a PC, I'd use grains to bulk, probably Coir/Verm/Gypsum.
I think it's great you're posting your results, though. It's interesting to see.
So you got 1/2 oz. from your first flush from 7 jars? About 2g/cake? If that is meeting your needs, and is working better for you than BRF/V was, I say stick with it.
OTOH, If you're wanting to grow much more than that, I's suggest you get a PC, switch to grains, and learn agar.
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