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cronicr



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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22514729 - 11/12/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What kind of dry yield could I expect from a grow like this?
with ms anything can happen but i would say no different then if ya just used brf
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: cronicr]
#22543042 - 11/18/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well here's a little update! The first pic is the first nice cluster I pulled this morning! Looks like there's some good ones coming too, and the cake that I got that cluster from is re-dunking right now.
Question: in the second pic, you can see a fruit that starts wide and then suddenly gets thinner and looks like it will be blooming/ready to pick tomorrow. Is this genetic or does the sudden thinning of the stem/opening of the cap indicate a change in the amount of nutrients/water it's recieving?
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589543 - 11/29/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The cakes are all dunking again right now in hopes of more flushes...when they're done, should I re-roll them in Verm? Some of it has fallen off in the process/with previous re-dunks. Just thought it would help retain moisture more
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: cronicr]
#22589552 - 11/29/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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blew42 said:
What kind of dry yield could I expect from a grow like this?
with ms anything can happen but i would say no different then if ya just used brf
Super cake is a watered down pf cake. Anything less than 100% brf isn't super anymore ha.
I think your shroom looks like that because it does not because the cake itself
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#22589589 - 11/29/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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cronicr said:
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blew42 said:
What kind of dry yield could I expect from a grow like this?
with ms anything can happen but i would say no different then if ya just used brf
Super cake is a watered down pf cake. Anything less than 100% brf isn't super anymore ha.
I think your shroom looks like that because it does not because the cake itself
I've already pulled half a dry ounce with several flushes to go, and my shrooms look wonderful to me "Watering down" a pf cake would be adding a ton more Verm or water...if I'm taking a standard pf jar mix and adding nutrients that mushrooms like that is not "watering" anything down...that's adding nutrients. With that logic adding gypsum to them would be "watering them down"
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589593 - 11/29/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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those nutrients are not as powerful as BRF hence you're removing space BRF could have occupied.
the additional nutrients are fillers like oatmeal used in tacobell beef.
gypsum is used in such small amounts we don't usually add it to %-ages for substrate calculations. someone will say use 70% coir 30% verm and 5% gypsum = catch my drift.
if you had 6 normal PF cakes, and they did really well you could expect 3.5-7 dry grams first flush so
21-42g dry first flush on normal cakes.
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#22589597 - 11/29/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: those nutrients are not as powerful as BRF hence you're removing space BRF could have occupied.
the additional nutrients are fillers like oatmeal used in tacobell beef.
gypsum is used in such small amounts we don't usually add it to %-ages for substrate calculations. someone will say use 70% coir 30% verm and 5% gypsum = catch my drift.
I suppose, but it's working just as well as any other BRF grow right now. The only benefit from the added nutes was colonization time was quick
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589607 - 11/29/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea whatever works, but if super cake was really better than normal cake, I would think that we would see more than 1% of people doing super cake. good ideas, that work well, and produce results, have a way of catching on here. there's no FDA EPA etc... to cock block good methods. they just catch on.
I'm glad you tried something out, and that it worked. but if it's been around for a few years, and the majority of people are not using it. it's for a good reason, something else better has come along.
when you're doing research on the shroomery try to look for things that have a plethora of results from the person who wrote the TEK as well as people who have followed the TEK.
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#22589649 - 11/29/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: yea whatever works, but if super cake was really better than normal cake, I would think that we would see more than 1% of people doing super cake. good ideas, that work well, and produce results, have a way of catching on here. there's no FDA EPA etc... to cock block good methods. they just catch on.
I'm glad you tried something out, and that it worked. but if it's been around for a few years, and the majority of people are not using it. it's for a good reason, something else better has come along.
when you're doing research on the shroomery try to look for things that have a plethora of results from the person who wrote the TEK as well as people who have followed the TEK.
Fair enough, that makes sense. Thanks. Can you answer my last question?
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589652 - 11/29/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to patch up cakes with more verm, technically it's said not to re-roll them after the first flush. but I see nothing wrong with putting a new pile of fresh verm on top of the cake
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Re: BRF "supercake" grow [Re: blew42]
#22589729 - 11/29/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd be worried about using anything other than BRF/V if I didn't have a PC.
If I did have a PC, I'd use grains to bulk, probably Coir/Verm/Gypsum.
I think it's great you're posting your results, though. It's interesting to see.
So you got 1/2 oz. from your first flush from 7 jars? About 2g/cake? If that is meeting your needs, and is working better for you than BRF/V was, I say stick with it.
OTOH, If you're wanting to grow much more than that, I's suggest you get a PC, switch to grains, and learn agar.
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