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YaMoonSun
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Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake?
#22349051 - 10/08/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm guessing it's because that's where all the water ends up, but then I hear people talking about it's the evaporation that triggers the pinning. Doesn't matter how many times I flip the cake, eventually they'll be growing on the bottom again.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22349070 - 10/08/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have had this problem in SGFC's that dont get the proper amount of humidity in them. The mushies will form where the most optimal environment is for them which in a case where the sgfc is to dry that optimal environment is in between the side of the cake and bottom of the cake or between the bottom of the cake and the aluminum foil in some cases.
I never really looked at it as a problem but I fixed this by adding a small amount of dry verm on top of my cakes after I dunk and roll them. That verm then acts as a moisture reserve in a way and mushies have been popping out the tops of mine ever since.

Do note that by doing this it also may take longer for the cake to put out pins thus allowing longer times for the cakes to dry up. The myc IME has to slightly colonize the top dry verm barrier. I know it cant get nutes from it but the myc tends to go slower than cakes which this was not done to.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22349110 - 10/08/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So essentially, I might want to rebuild my fruiting chamber, or at the very least cover some of the holes using tape for the time being? I do have a vermiculite casing layer, and it's preventing the bruising that I've had with prior cakes, but it doesn't seem to be keeping it moist enough to get shrooms to spawn on top naturally. I just flipped my cake this morning and I had like 5 pins on the bottom.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22349124 - 10/08/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your fruiting chamber needs to have 1/4 inch holes in it 2 inches apart every where on it even the top and bottom. DO NOT skip out on this. This is what makes the SGFC so efficient. If you cant get pins to form anywhere but the bottom maybe there are not enough cakes in the chamber to hold an optimal environment (maybe the chamber is too big)
Do not plug any of the holes if it is properly built to the tek.
Also, I wasn't talking about the casing layer for the cakes by themselves I mean after the casing layer is applied to the cakes then placing a little extra dry vermiculite on the top of the cake. That then helps to hold in even more water than before but remember what I pointed out, pinning seems to take longer this way.
There are several things that could be causing this and its more than likely a conglomeration of all of them. The terrarium could be built wrong, you could be fanning too much, misting too much, not giving them enough light, genetics (not likely in this case), misting too little, fanning to little. You really just gotta take the time and figure it out by experimentation. Maybe you can post some pics? That could help with figuring out why this is happening.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22349127 - 10/08/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would ensure you had enough perlite in the SGFC, be sure its still moist and the position of the chamber in the room was optimal. Mushrooms pin where the water is, because of gravity much of the water in a cake is dragged to the bottom. Get more water to them and you will have more pins and bigger fruits.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22349158 - 10/08/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alright, I may add the remaining perlite in a few minutes, hopefully it helps
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22349186 - 10/08/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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To Dunk or not to dunk? Whats best and why? Im ready to put everything into my FC. Got P.B. G.T. B+. T.C. all are looking great no contamination.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: SniK LM]
#22349228 - 10/08/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You always dunk and roll....it hyrdates the cakes...
I understand you are new SniK but I would read a bit before getting all excited and posting on someone elses thread about something so simple.
Read through some of the threads after you search dunk or dont dunk. I'm sure you could have found the answer much quicker that way.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: SniK LM]
#22349239 - 10/08/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well if you follow the tek to the t it will say to dunk overnight and roll them in dry verm. Then to put them in a proper sgfc. Just follow the tek to the t. Don't deviate. Or else I'll send you to this place over and over again
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22349521 - 10/08/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This probably indicates that you are not misting your cakes enough to maintain high surface humidity/evaporation, and under the cake is the only moist location most of the time.
Could also suggests that there is too much air making it under the cake, though I find that less likely.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22350358 - 10/08/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Out of all the cakes I have done I have only had on produce fruits on the top ONLY. I thought it might have been contaminated so I built an isolation chamber out of a two liter pop bottle and the only place it really got misted was the top due two the size of the bottle. The other forty or so have produced fruits every where top bottom sides underneath even but it has always been all over the cake every time looks like a porcupine lol
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Tronix]
#22350486 - 10/08/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why does it matter? There's nothing wrong with pins growing from the bottom. They turn out like any other mushroom.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Kizzle]
#22350674 - 10/08/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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They're dead center in the middle of the substrate though, I don't wanna crush the poor fellas
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22351053 - 10/08/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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They won't be crushed. It's completely normal for this to happen when growing with cakes. They'll just grow toward the side of the cake and then develop like normal from there like that pin on the bottom in Ethneogod's pic.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Kizzle]
#22353793 - 10/09/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So flipping the cake is probably confusing the fuck out of the mycelium, eh?
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22353852 - 10/09/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I asked that question it can cause them to abort
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Tronix]
#22353958 - 10/09/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I used to do cakes, we just knew to place in a tote with perlite and fan a few times (before the shotguns, etc.)
They would grow all over. Not that it maters much unless you are getting low yields.
I have noticed some strains seems to do better, such as pes hawaiian, golden teacher, and B+. (Highly domesticated strains, I know a cubes a cube).
Later on, I helped a friend do some cakes. We used shotguns and noticed that some strains would do this. Never really thought much of it.
I think consolidation time can play a factor as well. If they need quite a bit of time after you birth them, it could be causing excessive time for the cake to dry out some.
Yeah messing with a fruiting cake will def cause aborts.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22353987 - 10/09/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tronix said: Yeah I asked that question it can cause them to abort
Well, when I see pins I generally increase the amount of times a day that I'm misting from 3 to maybe 5-6. Hopefully that should prevent the aborting. However, I notice most of my aborts come from dunking too long when I have pins already on the cake.
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DrCrumbs said: When I used to do cakes, we just knew to place in a tote with perlite and fan a few times (before the shotguns, etc.)
They would grow all over. Not that it maters much unless you are getting low yields.
I have noticed some strains seems to do better, such as pes hawaiian, golden teacher, and B+. (Highly domesticated strains, I know a cubes a cube).
Later on, I helped a friend do some cakes. We used shotguns and noticed that some strains would do this. Never really thought much of it.
I think consolidation time can play a factor as well. If they need quite a bit of time after you birth them, it could be causing excessive time for the cake to dry out some.
Yeah messing with a fruiting cake will def cause aborts.
Well, it's GT, and on the 2nd flush, so I would hope it's fully colonized 
Pasty probably had it right with the perlite. I need to increase humidity. In fact, I'll do that right now, after my coffee
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22359598 - 10/10/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think they're too likely to actually abort just because you flipped a cake but there's really no reason to risk damaging them. Where pins form on a cake is largely affected by whether the cake started pinning before or after it was birthed. It doesn't mean there's something with your FC if most pins are forming on the bottom.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Kizzle]
#22359742 - 10/10/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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-Thinks he's saving them- -Is apparently risking damaging them- -I'm just like my mother-

I feel like I'm getting mixed information here.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22359753 - 10/10/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the mushrooms are smarter than you at mushrooming, I would personally let them do their thing.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22359763 - 10/10/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: the mushrooms are smarter than you at mushrooming, I would personally let them do their thing.
Pretty good way to put it.
OP, get a thicker verm layer on during your dunk & roll or just stop with the cakes and fuck with something you can case more easily. Either way, more pins.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Inocuole]
#22359804 - 10/10/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So start thinking like a mushroom? It was likely warmer and moister under the mycelium, which is why it prefers to pin there? Kind of eliminates the evaporation triggering theory if that's the case though. Call me clueless.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22359813 - 10/10/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's the rate of evaporation and the surface humidity. It's hard to have surface humidity on a vertical surface in an open area. That's what the verm roll is for.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Inocuole]
#22359828 - 10/10/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I cased both chunks of mycelium and they fully colonized the vermiculite
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22359874 - 10/10/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's your issue. When it's fully colonized it doesn't serve the purpose of keeping the mycelium from losing moisture as quickly. I couldn't tell you how to avoid that other than maybe rolling again if it colonizes the verm without pinning. It should only colonize the verm just enough to hold it onto the cake.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: Inocuole]
#22359887 - 10/10/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll re-reroll after this flush is over. The top and bottom have a decent amount of vermiculite, but the sides could use a bit more.
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Re: Why do mushrooms always form at the bottom of my cake? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22359981 - 10/10/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well pins are pretty resilient but sometimes they get left behind when you try to move a substrate That's the worst case scenario I remember encountering when I was flipping cakes.
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