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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22387738 - 10/16/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I am back in school.
Whew, that's a relief. Maybe you can learn how to read
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22387775 - 10/16/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no troubles with reading. Perhaps you should try reading the sources you cite as supportive of your positions. i've noticed that many of them are directly contradictory to the conclusions you draw from them.
The only explanations i can come up with for your style of debate are that either a. You are being intentionally obtuse, and pretending that "average wealth" is the defining factor in deciding upon which society is "best" or b. You are actually as narrow minded and ignorant as you sound
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22387782 - 10/16/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no troubles with reading. Perhaps you should try reading the sources you cite as supportive of your positions. i've noticed that many of them are directly contradictory to the conclusions you draw from them.
The only explanations i can come up with for your style of debate are that either a. You are being intentionally obtuse, and pretending that "average wealth" is the defining factor in deciding upon which society is "best" or b. You are actually as narrow minded and ignorant as you sound

Actually I don't post contradictory statements, that's a job for a socialist.
LOL so GDP per person is more of a defining factor? Why do socialists say the funniest shit? Stay in school, you're going to need it.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22388155 - 10/16/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: The socialists had a point and I demolished it: Income inequality
You're saying we don't have income inequality even though 400 people own 62% of our wealth and the top 10% owns 74.6% of our wealth?!?!?
It's you that needs to go to school.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22388399 - 10/16/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guys just remember BurgerBrain from the internet is WAY smarter then a man who has been in politics for the past 50 years.
/sarcasm cause I bet he couldent understand it was implied
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Doobie Dude] 1
#22388430 - 10/16/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Doobie Dude said: Guys just remember BurgerBrain from the internet is WAY smarter then a man who has been in politics for the past 50 years
Really? Fidel Castro was in politics for a long time too, did that make him qualified as well?
Think about it this way, would you want Bernie sanders in charge of Apple? Or even just iTunes? And yet these people think he's smart enough to run a whole country... There's a reason Bernie got into politics, this guy couldn't run a hot dog stand...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22388445 - 10/16/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Comparing Cuba to America? I see your love for this country is equal to your love for Cuba which must be pretty high. Bernie is not running to make profits for Apple, he is running to help the lower and middle class. Your argument skills are elementary.
Just so you know the second sentence was sarcasm it might be hard for you to understand
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#22388767 - 10/16/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Doobie Dude said: Comparing Cuba to America? I see your love for this country is equal to your love for Cuba which must be pretty high. Bernie is not running to make profits for Apple, he is running to help the lower and middle class. Your argument skills are elementary.
Just so you know the second sentence was sarcasm it might be hard for you to understand
You assume quite a bit, are you a liberal?
Point is, I'm still right, no company on earth would put this retard in charge of anything, yet, there's people out there who want him in charge of everything, that's mind boggling...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#22388943 - 10/16/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:

I have no troubles with reading. Perhaps you should try reading the sources you cite as supportive of your positions. i've noticed that many of them are directly contradictory to the conclusions you draw from them.
The only explanations i can come up with for your style of debate are that either a. You are being intentionally obtuse, and pretending that "average wealth" is the defining factor in deciding upon which society is "best" or b. You are actually as narrow minded and ignorant as you sound

c. He put his foot in his mouth and doesn't have the humility to admit when he's wrong
At least, that's my hypothesis.
HU, what I find mind boggling is that anyone could consider themselves a freedom loving american and support the oligarchic grip business has on our economy, our country, and our planet.
But that's just me
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22389327 - 10/16/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We need someone who understands business to run the country. Someone competent for a change and I include shrub in the incompetent group as well as Clinton. Bernie is a well meaning fool. That is better than an evil fool like we have now but there is still lots of room for improvement. We don't need socialistic ideologues or anyone with no clue about economics except from books they read and professors they listened to.
Lets hear it for trump!!!
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22389437 - 10/16/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: We don't need socialistic ideologues or anyone with no clue about economics except from books they read and professors they listened to.
Lets hear it for trump!!!
Have you even read this thread? Socialist countries are doing better. Here, I'll save you the trouble of rereading everything:
U.S. Median Wealth Only 27th in World
Country Median Wealth Per Adult
1. Australia $193,653 2. Luxembourg $153,967 3. Japan $141,410 4. Italy $123,710 5. Belgium $119,937 6. United Kingdom $115,245 7. Iceland $ 95,685 8. Singapore $ 95,542 (non-OECD) 9. Switzerland $ 87,137 10. Denmark $ 87,121 11. Austria $ 81,649 12. Canada $ 81,610 13. France $ 81,274 14. Norway $ 79,376 15. Finland $ 73,487 16. New Zealand $ 63,000 17. Netherlands $ 61,880 18. Ireland $ 60,953 19. Qatar $ 57,027 (non-OECD) 20. Spain $ 53,292 21. United Arab Emir. $ 47,998 (non-OECD) 22. Taiwan $ 45,451 (non-OECD) 23. Germany $ 42,222 24. Sweden $ 41,367 25. Cyprus $ 40,535 (non-OECD) 26. Kuwait $ 40,346 (non-OECD) 27. United States $ 38,786
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22389449 - 10/16/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We can look at real world examples of socialism. You can stick your head in the dirt and mutter whatever you want about ideologies and book learned economics but it doesn't change the content of this thread or Bernie's capability to run this country.
Burgerbrain made a hasty argument and spent 9 pages defending his bruised ego. He needs to read up on the differences between socialism and capitalism if he wants to make some intelligent arguments. His amounted to the fish have less air than us why would we want to be fish?!? While neglecting that for fish, air really isn't all that important.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22389505 - 10/16/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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His amounted to the fish have less air than us why would we want to be fish?!? While neglecting that for fish, air really isn't all that important. 
that could quite possible be the dumbest analogy Ive ever heard...
so you think that money isn't important? tell that to people who don't have any...
do you know what the tax on buying a new car is in denmarck? 180%! you really want that here? talk about putting the automotive industry out of business...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22389551 - 10/16/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just because some countries with vast oil or other resources and a mostly single ethnic population are doing well despite having some socialist policies does not mean socialism works or that its right for every society.
I go along with socialism to the extent that we pay taxes for roads, defense, and so on. But that's about it. Obumble can't run anything, he has proven that over and over. Not just the economy but everything has suffered under his blundering leadership. Now you want an even more extreme socialist? He might be better than obumble but we need someone competent, some grown ups for a change.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22389601 - 10/16/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: His amounted to the fish have less air than us why would we want to be fish?!? While neglecting that for fish, air really isn't all that important. 
that could quite possible be the dumbest analogy Ive ever heard...
It's a shame that so much goes right over your head. Let me explain:
If healthcare is provided to you at no cost (for example), then you don't care about getting paid more money to buy healthcare.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22389813 - 10/16/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: His amounted to the fish have less air than us why would we want to be fish?!? While neglecting that for fish, air really isn't all that important. 
that could quite possible be the dumbest analogy Ive ever heard...
It's a shame that so much goes right over your head. Let me explain:
If healthcare is provided to you at no cost (for example), then you don't care about getting paid more money to buy healthcare.
it didn't go over my head, little guy, it just doesn't make much sense, you used to be able to buy a good health insurance plan for under a C note a month, not anymore, the govt has completely fucked it up, mandates, taxation, its crazy shit they do, and some just gobble it up hook,line, and sinker... and now we are all "sunk"
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22389866 - 10/16/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: The socialists had a point and I demolished it: Income inequality
You're saying we don't have income inequality even though 400 people own 62% of our wealth and the top 10% owns 74.6% of our wealth?!?!?
It's you that needs to go to school.
Holy shit so how much wealth does that leave over? (Use your math skills, socialist)
Per your own graph: Norway's richest people own 65.8% of the wealth. What was your point again?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22389883 - 10/16/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: The socialists had a point and I demolished it: Income inequality
You're saying we don't have income inequality even though 400 people own 62% of our wealth and the top 10% owns 74.6% of our wealth?!?!?
It's you that needs to go to school.
Holy shit so how much wealth does that leave over? (Use your math skills, socialist)
Per your own graph: Norway's richest people own 65.8% of the wealth. What was your point again?
I think his point is that if we raise the tax rate to 70% on everyone except the poor, we'll all be better off, or some shit like that...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22389942 - 10/16/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: The socialists had a point and I demolished it: Income inequality
You're saying we don't have income inequality even though 400 people own 62% of our wealth and the top 10% owns 74.6% of our wealth?!?!?
It's you that needs to go to school.
Holy shit so how much wealth does that leave over? (Use your math skills, socialist)
Per your own graph: Norway's richest people own 65.8% of the wealth. What was your point again?
I think his point is that if we raise the tax rate to 70% on everyone except the poor, we'll all be better off, or some shit like that...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22390241 - 10/16/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Professor Davies was kind enough to lay out the technical issues for me. First, of all, data for mean wealth is more reliable than median wealth."
That means this graph: Is more valid that his "median" graph that puts the US @ "27th" Figure 4: Financial Net Wealth of Households
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