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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22384431 - 10/15/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: "ugh"
this is what i say out loud everytime i see you obfuscate or change the subject when youre proven wrong
I have defeated, with links, every "argument" that you libs throw at me. Any other questions?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22384438 - 10/15/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: LOL so your point is that we have a lot of rich people.
No, my point (for the fourth time) is that your graph is meaningless.
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burgerbrain said: Maybe if our government would stop giving taxpayer money to corporations that would solve your problem
On this we might agree.
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burgerbrain said: LOL Good reason to turn the USA into another socialist piece of shit country
This post has shown that average people in socialist countries are doing better, whether you call them "piece of shit" countries or not.
I wouldn't say "doing better". Look at this graph:
Figure 4: Financial Net Wealth of Households
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22384447 - 10/15/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: Figure 4: Financial Net Wealth of Households
 http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_310463.pdf
Cherry picking your own article.
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Differences in the net wealth of countries can arise for a number of reasons. They may be due to the importance placed on other assets over financial assets. This in turn may be reflected in the extent to which households participate in the financial markets. Finally, differences in social security systems across the countries may encourage some households to take out private pensions and life insurance.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22384461 - 10/15/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: Figure 4: Financial Net Wealth of Households
 http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_310463.pdf
Cherry picking your own article.
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Differences in the net wealth of countries can arise for a number of reasons. They may be due to the importance placed on other assets over financial assets. This in turn may be reflected in the extent to which households participate in the financial markets. Finally, differences in social security systems across the countries may encourage some households to take out private pensions and life insurance.
Per the graph: Norway has about a 10 score while USA has a 180 score.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22384469 - 10/15/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: I have defeated, with links, every "argument" that you libs throw at me. Any other questions?
Perhaps the dumbest statement I've ever seen. Except the two right after that (you STILL fail to understand why the graph is meaningless after many explanations).
I think even the other conservative posters here are now doing a big facepalm; none of them are backing you up anymore.
You're not smart enough for this forum, I'm afraid.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22384483 - 10/15/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: I have defeated, with links, every "argument" that you libs throw at me. Any other questions?
Perhaps the dumbest statement I've ever seen. Except the two right after that (you STILL fail to understand why the graph is meaningless after many explanations).
I think even the other conservative posters here are now doing a big facepalm; none of them are backing you up anymore.
You're not smart enough for this forum, I'm afraid.
Of course you would resort to personal attacks and ad-hominem. Good job.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22384486 - 10/15/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Their priorities are different. You're comparing the model socialist country with the model capitalist one and saying, see how much more successful we are?
In every other metric in your article Norway either did better than us or equal. You're comparing something we value with something they don't. Life isn't about the money... not for them anyway.
And the graph reflects that. The article does too.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22384502 - 10/15/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Their priorities are different. You're comparing the model socialist country with the model capitalist one and saying, see how much more successful we are?
In every other metric in your article Norway either did better than us or equal. You're comparing something we value with something they don't. Life isn't about the money... not for them anyway.
And the graph reflects that. The article does too.
What metrics? GDP? LOL so they produce slightly more goods/services(work) per person and have 18 times LESS WEALTH on average than we do? Is that why you want socialism?
Gross domestic product (GDP) is the monetary value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country's borders in a specific time period. Though GDP is usually calculated on an annual basis, it can be calculated on a quarterly basis as well.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22384564 - 10/15/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I linked the rest of the graphs in the article in my first post. Frankly I'm getting bored of repeating myself.
There's a growing number of people in this country that believe that capitalism is morally bankrupt and that socialism is a good idea.
You point at the metrics of capitalism without realizing that many in this thread are critical of it and it's measures of success.
In other words you're argument is only valid if you take capitalism as a given. It's not.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22384578 - 10/15/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: I linked the rest of the graphs in the article in my first post. Frankly I'm getting bored of repeating myself.
There's a growing number of people in this country that believe that capitalism is morally bankrupt and that socialism is a good idea.
You point at the metrics of capitalism without realizing that many in this thread are critical of it and it's measures of success.
In other words you're argument is only valid if you take capitalism as a given. It's not.
Yeah I'm waiting for these socialists to prove that Socialism is a good idea before they bankrupt 300 million people in the USA.
"take capitalism as a given" what the fuck are you talking about?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22384585 - 10/15/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Their priorities are different. You're comparing the model socialist country with the model capitalist one and saying, see how much more successful we are?
In every other metric in your article Norway either did better than us or equal. You're comparing something we value with something they don't. Life isn't about the money... not for them anyway.
And the graph reflects that. The article does too.
Regardless, the median person has more wealth in Norway. Did you see the data I posted earlier?
U.S. Median Wealth Only 27th in World
Wealth is only higher in the US if you factor in the 400 wealthiest Americans, who own 62% of all wealth.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22384608 - 10/15/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Their priorities are different. You're comparing the model socialist country with the model capitalist one and saying, see how much more successful we are?
In every other metric in your article Norway either did better than us or equal. You're comparing something we value with something they don't. Life isn't about the money... not for them anyway.
And the graph reflects that. The article does too.
Regardless, the median person has more wealth in Norway. Did you see the data I posted earlier?
U.S. Median Wealth Only 27th in World
Wealth is only higher in the US if you factor in the 400 wealthiest Americans, who own 62% of all wealth. 
LOL you keep bringing up the 1% lie.
The data you posted earlier shows that income inequality is horrible in Norway as well. Socialists are Hilarious.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22384671 - 10/15/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: LOL you keep bringing up the 1% lie.
I provided a link of thousands of sites saying it's true. You found NOTHING to refute it.
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burgerbrain said: The data you posted earlier shows that income inequality is horrible in Norway as well.
It does! But not as bad as in the US.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain] 1
#22384674 - 10/15/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It looks to me like burger won the argument with facts and figure and the libs are butthurt over it.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain] 1
#22384677 - 10/15/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Their priorities are different. You're comparing the model socialist country with the model capitalist one and saying, see how much more successful we are?
In every other metric in your article Norway either did better than us or equal. You're comparing something we value with something they don't. Life isn't about the money... not for them anyway.
And the graph reflects that. The article does too.
Regardless, the median person has more wealth in Norway. Did you see the data I posted earlier?
U.S. Median Wealth Only 27th in World
Wealth is only higher in the US if you factor in the 400 wealthiest Americans, who own 62% of all wealth. 
LOL you keep bringing up the 1% lie.
The data you posted earlier shows that income inequality is horrible in Norway as well. Socialists are Hilarious.

You realize that in this graph we rank number 7. Behind Russia, Turkey, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand. Norway ranks number 22. The bottom 90% also control nearly 10% more of the wealth.
The income gap is much smaller in Norway too with more people making more money overall.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22384690 - 10/15/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: It looks to me like burger won the argument with facts and figure and the libs are butthurt over it.
Care to explain which facts and figures you are referring to?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22384703 - 10/15/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find it funny that burgerbrain posted another graph without context.
Here's the heading that was trimmed...
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Here’s the income share of the top ten per cent in each country, and the change in that share between 2000 and 2014:
Original article.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/top-ten-percent-wealth-world-maps-2014-10
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22384704 - 10/15/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You realize that in this graph we rank number 7. Behind Russia, Turkey, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand. Norway ranks number 22. The bottom 90% also control nearly 10% more of the wealth.
The income gap is much smaller in Norway too with more people making more money overall.
LOL the income gap is not "much smaller" for the wealthiest of people the difference between the USA and Norway is just 9% wealth... I guess you can't read?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22384711 - 10/15/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: It looks to me like burger won the argument with facts and figure and the libs are butthurt over it.
Care to explain which facts and figures you are referring to?
It's obvious to everyone but you.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I know. Your data is about 15 years old. Here's more current data on the top 10%, showing the US has now surpassed Denmark and Switzerland in income inequality.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Wealth is only higher in the US if you factor in the 400 wealthiest Americans, who own 62% of all wealth. 
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22384718 - 10/15/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You realize that in this graph we rank number 7. Behind Russia, Turkey, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand. Norway ranks number 22. The bottom 90% also control nearly 10% more of the wealth.
The income gap is much smaller in Norway too with more people making more money overall.
LOL the income gap is not "much smaller" for the wealthiest of people the difference between the USA and Norway is just 9% wealth... I guess you can't read?
Income does not equal wealth. I was referring to the income gap as represented by that chart I posted that you quoted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
You also failed to invalidate anything else I said. I take it you agree then that Norway is doing better than us when it comes to wealth inequality then? As clearly represented by your graph?
Maybe you should campaign for Bernie.
Edited by paperbackwriter (10/15/15 05:58 PM)
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