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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: qman]
#22648213 - 12/12/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: In the short term, yes. More spending will reduce unemployment. But there will be interest on that debt in the long term, and the debt has to be paid down in the future.
So there's a limit to this strategy to reduce unemployment?
Of course. As I've said many times, you should incur a deficit during bad times, and pay down the deficit during good times.
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qman said: And using the money for health care or food stamps doesn't have the same long term return on investment that a modern rail system might have on the economy.
Agreed - short term impact is about the same, but a rail system would have better long term impact.
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part time jobs are now the norm? thats back to normal???
and no, its not by "choice"
I've tried explaining to him that his "unemployment" chart is bogus many times, he won't budge. Everything in the labor market is still "normal", yet everyone you talk with says the complete opposite. 
Pay attention to the full time line (red line) in HU's graph. Notice that full time jobs ARE back to normal.
Part time work (blue line) is indeed up. HU claims "its not by 'choice'". Fortunately, people track whether or not part time work is by choice, and the results are here:

Notice that involuntary part time work is trending down very nicely, while voluntary part time work is on the rise.
As I've said before, I don't understand why you guys are so interested in trying to deceive the other side, and so disinterested in the reality of things. What's the benefit of that?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22649077 - 12/13/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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why is the involuntary part time job status so high in 2009? it coincides with the exact time that obamacare was enacted, and it might be trickling down, but its still WAY up from before obama was elected, your own graph even points that out, thats terrible for people trying to pay their bills

and notice how food stamp use is WAY up under obama, is that because the labor market is so great? jobs are so abundant? or should we blame that one on college students and retirees also???
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22649344 - 12/13/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: why is the involuntary part time job status so high in 2009? it coincides with the exact time that obamacare was enacted,

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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22649971 - 12/13/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22650034 - 12/13/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: why is the involuntary part time job status so high in 2009? it coincides with the exact time that obamacare was enacted
Because that was right after the Bush recession. 
Did you really forget that already??? 
Looks like ballsalsa already caught you on your mistake and explained why you are wrong.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22650052 - 12/13/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: why is the involuntary part time job status so high in 2009? it coincides with the exact time that obamacare was enacted
Because that was right after the Bush recession. 
Did you really forget that already??? 
Looks like ballsalsa already caught you on your mistake and explained why you are wrong.
no he didn't, he just trolled me, thats all he did,
are you telling me the obamacare mandate has nothing to do with the rise in part time jobs?
the recession has been over for quite some, according to liberals, when do these numbers become obamas responsibility?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22650555 - 12/13/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: why is the involuntary part time job status so high in 2009? it coincides with the exact time that obamacare was enacted,



correlation and causation are 2 different things.
do you have evidence to support your claim that involuntary part time work highs in 2009 were caused by the enactment of the ACA, or do you believe(as your own wording implies) that the correlation is a coincidence?
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