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The Ecstatic
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22349501 - 10/08/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's so painfully obvious when someone googles their opinion and searches for the facts that support it, rather than googling the facts and then forming their opinion.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22349517 - 10/08/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really hope he gets banned already. He hasn't contributed anything worthwhile since he's been here. Even hostileuniverse is growing on me a bit but this guy.
Meh.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22349529 - 10/08/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, seems like HU is finally starting to come around to the fact that he can't just belt out bumper sticker slogans and win arguments like he can at Waffle House, but OP isn't even trying to kick the junk.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22349549 - 10/08/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like his spirit. He's just lazy. most people are. they form an opinion and then go looking for sources to validate it. The better method is to form an opinion, then look for sources to invalidate it, but that requires thoughtful research which tends to involve reading more than an article or 2, and who has the time for that? Gotta give him some credit though for sticking in here despite many people decrying his lack of credibility. Who knows, maybe these guys will be forced to reevaluate their positions after enough debate? (probably not, i know. this is the internet after all, but a man can dream can't he?)
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22349577 - 10/08/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everybody comes around after a while
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22349616 - 10/08/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I like his spirit. He's just lazy. most people are. they form an opinion and then go looking for sources to validate it. The better method is to form an opinion, then look for sources to invalidate it, but that requires thoughtful research which tends to involve reading more than an article or 2, and who has the time for that? Gotta give him some credit though for sticking in here despite many people decrying his lack of credibility. Who knows, maybe these guys will be forced to reevaluate their positions after enough debate? (probably not, i know. this is the internet after all, but a man can dream can't he?)
I don't have a problem with that. What I take issue with is spamming memes, calling people children, kiddo, etc. Basically just shitting up the forums.
I suspect we're going to see a lot more posters down here as the election season continues. I don't want shit posters scaring off people that want to contribute.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22349624 - 10/08/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: I suspect we're going to see a lot more posters down here as the election season continues. I don't want shit posters scaring off people that want to contribute.
fair enough
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22350663 - 10/08/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I like his spirit. He's just lazy. most people are. they form an opinion and then go looking for sources to validate it. The better method is to form an opinion, then look for sources to invalidate it, but that requires thoughtful research which tends to involve reading more than an article or 2, and who has the time for that? Gotta give him some credit though for sticking in here despite many people decrying his lack of credibility. Who knows, maybe these guys will be forced to reevaluate their positions after enough debate? (probably not, i know. this is the internet after all, but a man can dream can't he?)
I don't have a problem with that. What I take issue with is spamming memes, calling people children, kiddo, etc. Basically just shitting up the forums.
I suspect we're going to see a lot more posters down here as the election season continues. I don't want shit posters scaring off people that want to contribute.
Hey kiddo. I'm sorry you can't mentally handle a few Bernie memes. Poor kid.
Why do children like you attempt to "shit" up the forums using Red Herrings and Ad-Hominem?
Can you tell me the difference between these two graphs, kid? Figure 4: Financial Net Wealth of Households Figure 8: Real GDP Per Head for 2011
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain] 1
#22350924 - 10/08/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said:
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paperbackwriter said:
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ballsalsa said: I like his spirit. He's just lazy. most people are. they form an opinion and then go looking for sources to validate it. The better method is to form an opinion, then look for sources to invalidate it, but that requires thoughtful research which tends to involve reading more than an article or 2, and who has the time for that? Gotta give him some credit though for sticking in here despite many people decrying his lack of credibility. Who knows, maybe these guys will be forced to reevaluate their positions after enough debate? (probably not, i know. this is the internet after all, but a man can dream can't he?)
I don't have a problem with that. What I take issue with is spamming memes, calling people children, kiddo, etc. Basically just shitting up the forums.
I suspect we're going to see a lot more posters down here as the election season continues. I don't want shit posters scaring off people that want to contribute.
Hey kiddo. I'm sorry you can't mentally handle a few Bernie memes. Poor kid.
Why do children like you attempt to "shit" up the forums using Red Herrings and Ad-Hominem?
Can you tell me the difference between these two graphs, kid? Figure 4: Financial Net Wealth of Households Figure 8: Real GDP Per Head for 2011
I'm sure he can, whether he cares or not is the question, ya see, if it doesn't support their ideology, then it's just "stupid rednecks" or "you don't understand" or the "data is flawed" all of which I've seen numerous times here on these forums...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22350998 - 10/08/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I like his spirit. He's just lazy. most people are. they form an opinion and then go looking for sources to validate it. The better method is to form an opinion, then look for sources to invalidate it, but that requires thoughtful research which tends to involve reading more than an article or 2, and who has the time for that? Gotta give him some credit though for sticking in here despite many people decrying his lack of credibility. Who knows, maybe these guys will be forced to reevaluate their positions after enough debate? (probably not, i know. this is the internet after all, but a man can dream can't he?)
I don't have a problem with that. What I take issue with is spamming memes, calling people children, kiddo, etc. Basically just shitting up the forums.
I suspect we're going to see a lot more posters down here as the election season continues. I don't want shit posters scaring off people that want to contribute.
Hey kiddo. I'm sorry you can't mentally handle a few Bernie memes. Poor kid.
Why do children like you attempt to "shit" up the forums using Red Herrings and Ad-Hominem?
Can you tell me the difference between these two graphs, kid? Figure 4: Financial Net Wealth of Households Figure 8: Real GDP Per Head for 2011
I'm sure he can, whether he cares or not is the question, ya see, if it doesn't support their ideology, then it's just "stupid rednecks" or "you don't understand" or the "data is flawed" all of which I've seen numerous times here on these forums...
***insert slogan here
Yeah but it's fun watching the libtards squirm. Of course they don't care- they want the USA to be more like "other countries" even if it costs the people in the USA all of their wealth.
LOL these morons think that GDP output is a better measure of a country than WEALTH. It's hilarious and yes the data goes against their ideology of socialism.
Yes I think you're correct-they use http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html constantly, it's sad really.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain] 1
#22351047 - 10/08/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes I think you're correct-they use http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html constantly, it's sad really.
Bahahahahaha! I've never seen that before, but surely they have!lol
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22351722 - 10/08/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Everybody comes around after a while 
How does that happen? Brainwashing?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22351733 - 10/08/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Everybody comes around after a while 
How does that happen? Brainwashing?
Or merely the promise of free stuff, it seems to work on the greedy...
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paperbackwriter
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22353483 - 10/09/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: LOL these morons think that GDP output is a better measure of a country than WEALTH. It's hilarious and yes the data goes against their ideology of socialism.
Your own fucking article explained why net wealth wasn't a good gauge.
How about you read the shit you post.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22353573 - 10/09/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: LOL these morons think that GDP output is a better measure of a country than WEALTH. It's hilarious and yes the data goes against their ideology of socialism.
Your own fucking article explained why net wealth wasn't a good gauge.
How about you read the shit you post.
Like pulling teeth....
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22353738 - 10/09/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: LOL these morons think that GDP output is a better measure of a country than WEALTH. It's hilarious and yes the data goes against their ideology of socialism.
Your own fucking article explained why net wealth wasn't a good gauge.
How about you read the shit you post.
You keep making claims that you can't back up. Where is the text from the article? You're not good at posting links or text, are you?
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paperbackwriter
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22353777 - 10/09/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said:
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burgerbrain said: LOL these morons think that GDP output is a better measure of a country than WEALTH. It's hilarious and yes the data goes against their ideology of socialism.
Your own fucking article explained why net wealth wasn't a good gauge.
How about you read the shit you post.
You keep making claims that you can't back up. Where is the text from the article? You're not good at posting links or text, are you?
I fucking quoted it in my first response. Hit the page back button and find it. It's not my fault you don't bother reading your own articles let alone anyone else's posts beyond finding a way to justify calling them a libtard, a moron, a child, or whatever other insult you've decided to use today.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22353784 - 10/09/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said:
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paperbackwriter said:
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burgerbrain said: LOL these morons think that GDP output is a better measure of a country than WEALTH. It's hilarious and yes the data goes against their ideology of socialism.
Your own fucking article explained why net wealth wasn't a good gauge.
How about you read the shit you post.
You keep making claims that you can't back up. Where is the text from the article? You're not good at posting links or text, are you?
I fucking quoted it in my first response. Hit the page back button and find it. It's not my fault you don't bother reading your own articles let alone anyone else's posts beyond finding a way to justify calling them a libtard, a moron, a child, or whatever other insult you've decided to use today.
I've read the article, I guess you did not. You seem upset
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22353834 - 10/09/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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here you go:
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Differences in the net wealth of countries can arise for a number of reasons. They may be due to the importance placed on other assets over financial assets. This in turn may be reflected in the extent to which households participate in the financial markets. Finally, differences in social security systems across the countries may encourage some households to take out private pensions and life insurance.
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when asked what he means by "democratic socialism," presidential candidate Bernie Sanders typically points to the Nordic countries. In Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark, education is provided for free, social insurance is unimaginably generous, and times are good. We should follow their example, he says.
This chafed some critics, such as National Review's Kevin Williamson. He pointed out that the Nordics are overwhelmingly white, concluding that attempts to push such policies in a multi-ethnic country were essentially racist. After Sanders told Ezra Klein he was against open borders, Williamson passive-aggressively suggested that Sanders was just a wee bit Nazi-esque.
Williamson's analysis of Nordic history and politics is nearly as risible as his hamfisted attempt to paint Republicans as the heroes of the Civil Rights Movement. However, he does inadvertently point to a more serious question: What is the Nordic example actually meant to prove?
Put simply, it is a proof-of-concept for policy, not a political blueprint. Each of these nations is quite small, with a vastly different social and historical context than that of the United States. Any implementation of Nordic policy here will be reached by a vastly different route — one rooted in American politics and institutions.
So what do the Nordics demonstrate? That social democratic policy can work. Government provision of health insurance, education, and paid leave has been a big success for those countries. It has not been a drag on their economic growth, especially if one examines output per hour worked.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22353844 - 10/09/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: here you go:
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Differences in the net wealth of countries can arise for a number of reasons. They may be due to the importance placed on other assets over financial assets. This in turn may be reflected in the extent to which households participate in the financial markets. Finally, differences in social security systems across the countries may encourage some households to take out private pensions and life insurance.
also, from the first link in the OP:
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when asked what he means by "democratic socialism," presidential candidate Bernie Sanders typically points to the Nordic countries. In Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark, education is provided for free, social insurance is unimaginably generous, and times are good. We should follow their example, he says.
This chafed some critics, such as National Review's Kevin Williamson. He pointed out that the Nordics are overwhelmingly white, concluding that attempts to push such policies in a multi-ethnic country were essentially racist. After Sanders told Ezra Klein he was against open borders, Williamson passive-aggressively suggested that Sanders was just a wee bit Nazi-esque.
Williamson's analysis of Nordic history and politics is nearly as risible as his hamfisted attempt to paint Republicans as the heroes of the Civil Rights Movement. However, he does inadvertently point to a more serious question: What is the Nordic example actually meant to prove?
Put simply, it is a proof-of-concept for policy, not a political blueprint. Each of these nations is quite small, with a vastly different social and historical context than that of the United States. Any implementation of Nordic policy here will be reached by a vastly different route — one rooted in American politics and institutions.
So what do the Nordics demonstrate? That social democratic policy can work. Government provision of health insurance, education, and paid leave has been a big success for those countries. It has not been a drag on their economic growth, especially if one examines output per hour worked.
Yes what is your point? Thanks for posting more of the articles that I posted in the OP?
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