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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22439436 - 10/27/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: Easy.
‘Shameful’: GOP lawmaker rips Obama’s threat to veto veterans’ funding http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2015/04/29/shameful-gop-lawmaker-rips-obamas-threat-to-veto-veterans-funding/
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Scandinavian Socialism: Dangers of the Welfare State
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Can you provide actual evidence you are correct? And I mean relevant evidence, not a link that discusses some irrelevant topic, or just a broad statement without proof.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22439492 - 10/27/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where is fal to tell us we were right? Dodging and squirming in another thread instead.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22439536 - 10/27/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: Easy.
‘Shameful’: GOP lawmaker rips Obama’s threat to veto veterans’ funding http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2015/04/29/shameful-gop-lawmaker-rips-obamas-threat-to-veto-veterans-funding/
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/veterans/2015/10/01/va-budget-blocked-senate/73157340/
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But the ongoing budget fight has less to do with the specifics of that bill than with the larger Republican budget plans, which leave in place spending caps on a host of nondefense agencies but get around limits on defense spending by adding $38 billion to temporary war funding that falls outside the scope of the regular defense budget.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called that “a gimmick for short-term funding” and blamed Republicans for refusing to advance responsible budget plans.
The VA budget is not subject to the spending caps. But just before Thursday’s vote, the White House reiterated plans for a veto of the VA spending measure as currently written.
Obama "has been clear that he is not willing to lock in sequestration going forward, nor will he accept fixes to defense without also fixing non-defense,” officials said in a statement.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22439604 - 10/27/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the clarification, but Obama needs to put his money where his mouth is (instead of ours) in terms of fixing defense. Instead, he's asking for a HUGE increase in defense spending.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22441079 - 10/27/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Where is fal to tell us we were right? Dodging and squirming in another thread instead.
Nope. I was at work.
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burgerbrain said: ‘Shameful’: GOP lawmaker rips Obama’s threat to veto veterans’ funding http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2015/04/29/shameful-gop-lawmaker-rips-obamas-threat-to-veto-veterans-funding/
From your own article:
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The spending bill for fiscal year 2015 would increase total VA funding by $3.6 billion compared to current funding, but the White House released a statement complaining about cuts. Those cuts, however, can only be seen as cuts when compared to the funding the White House requested.
First Republicans complain that veterans aren't receiving enough care, then they complain when Obama tries to fix the problem. So what do they want? The only thing Republicans really care about is complaining about whatever Obama does.
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burgerbrain said: PS.
Scandinavian Socialism: Dangers of the Welfare State
The Ecstatic addressed that perfectly.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22441394 - 10/27/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, actually obumble vetoed a bill providing more funding for veterans. I know you always try to use liberal logic to turn things on their head but the fact remains, he vetoed money for veterans. No amount of slogans can change that fact. He did do it, you got the proof that you asked for.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22441521 - 10/27/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: No, actually obumble vetoed a bill providing more funding for veterans. I know you always try to use liberal logic to turn things on their head but the fact remains, he vetoed money for veterans. No amount of slogans can change that fact. He did do it, you got the proof that you asked for.
what the fuck are you talking about? don't you read the news?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/us/politics/obama-boehner-budget-deal.html?_r=0
what budget do you think they're talking about here?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22441544 - 10/27/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That was late Monday. We were talking about obumble vetoing the spending bill and that is still true. If idiot boner, however you spell it, caved in and gave him everything he wanted, that is another issue. Obumble did indeed veto the bill and you can't make that fact go away.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22441565 - 10/27/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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right, he used executive privilege to obtain a better bill. How is this bad again?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22441594 - 10/27/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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>How is this bad again?
Point was I said he vetoed a bill that had money for vets and I was correct. Rather than just throw money at the va and leave the present broken system in place, we need a leader who can clean it up. Obviously obumble has botched the job and will do nothing in his remaining term. Besides play golf, blow up innocent civilians, and screw with the economy, that is. Lets hope trump can clean up the mess.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22441636 - 10/27/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Point was I said he vetoed a bill that had money for vets and I was correct. Rather than just throw money at the va and leave the present broken system in place, we need a leader who can clean it up.
wait, now i'm confused. are you touting Obama now?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22441666 - 10/27/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you read the post?
>Obviously obumble has botched the job and will do nothing in his remaining term
Sheesh!
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22442830 - 10/28/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Point was I said he vetoed a bill that had money for vets and I was correct.
Are you talking about this bill?
The Hill
Which had "not enough funding" for vets?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22446822 - 10/28/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: what party do you think liberals vote for most often?
I've voted both ways. I tended towards more conservative candidates when i was younger, and i've moved left a bit as i've gotten older
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22447131 - 10/28/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Says the guy who was almost too dumb to make it into military school.
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As a student, Churchill performed poorly in virtually every subject except history and English composition. He was particularly inept at foreign languages.
His plan to attend the Royal Military College at Sandhurst suffered a setback when he twice failed the entrance examinations. With the help of a military tutor, he finally qualified the third time around, but only for the cavalry class, which had lower standards than the infantry.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22447970 - 10/29/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Says the guy who was almost too dumb to make it into military school.
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As a student, Churchill performed poorly in virtually every subject except history and English composition. He was particularly inept at foreign languages.
His plan to attend the Royal Military College at Sandhurst suffered a setback when he twice failed the entrance examinations. With the help of a military tutor, he finally qualified the third time around, but only for the cavalry class, which had lower standards than the infantry.
And Albert Einstein was a high school dropout... You libs and your complete lack of intellectual honesty is astounding...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22448406 - 10/29/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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churchill was as cold and calculating as they come. Whether or not he was a good admiral or prime minister, he was definitely an asshole of the first order.
http://www.gwpda.org/naval/pers0003.htm
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The Germans held that Fryatt, being not a military man but a non combattant and thus subject to the rules of "The Hague Convention". He was tried and executed..
The British accused the Germans of murder and denied that Fryatt tried to ram the sumbarine. Instead, they made public that:"He saved his vessel and the lives of his passengers and crew by skillfully avoiding an attack, and in recognition of his coolness and judgement the Admiralty made him a presentation".
Unfortunately the House of Commons, at the time of the presentation, publicly applauded Fryatts attempts to ram the submarine and the inscription in Fryatts golden watch which he received from the admiralty at that date, also was very specific and clear. He did try to ram the sub. He did so ,on Churchill's orders for mechant-navy captains which said:
1: All British mechantships to paint out their names and port of registry, and when in British waters to fly the flag of a neutral power.(preferably the American flag) (source: Worldcrisis vol 2 p.283) 2: British vessels are ordered to treat the crews of captured U-boats as "felons" and not to accord them the status of prisoners of war.(source: Simpson.Lusitania p.36) 3: Survivors should be taken prisoner of shot whichever is the most convenient. 4: In all actions, white flags whould be fired upon with promptitude.(source Richmond diaries 27-2-15)
Churchill continued: "The first British countermove made on my responsibility was to deter the Germans from surface attack.. The submerged U-boat had to rely increasingly on underwater attack and thus ran the greater risk of mistaking neutral for British ships and of drowing neutral crews and thus embroiling Germany with other Great Powers." (source Churchill World crisis. p.724-725)
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22448433 - 10/29/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: churchill was as cold and calculating as they come. Whether or not he was a good admiral or prime minister, he was definitely an asshole of the first order.
http://www.gwpda.org/naval/pers0003.htm
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The Germans held that Fryatt, being not a military man but a non combattant and thus subject to the rules of "The Hague Convention". He was tried and executed..
The British accused the Germans of murder and denied that Fryatt tried to ram the sumbarine. Instead, they made public that:"He saved his vessel and the lives of his passengers and crew by skillfully avoiding an attack, and in recognition of his coolness and judgement the Admiralty made him a presentation".
Unfortunately the House of Commons, at the time of the presentation, publicly applauded Fryatts attempts to ram the submarine and the inscription in Fryatts golden watch which he received from the admiralty at that date, also was very specific and clear. He did try to ram the sub. He did so ,on Churchill's orders for mechant-navy captains which said:
1: All British mechantships to paint out their names and port of registry, and when in British waters to fly the flag of a neutral power.(preferably the American flag) (source: Worldcrisis vol 2 p.283) 2: British vessels are ordered to treat the crews of captured U-boats as "felons" and not to accord them the status of prisoners of war.(source: Simpson.Lusitania p.36) 3: Survivors should be taken prisoner of shot whichever is the most convenient. 4: In all actions, white flags whould be fired upon with promptitude.(source Richmond diaries 27-2-15)
Churchill continued: "The first British countermove made on my responsibility was to deter the Germans from surface attack.. The submerged U-boat had to rely increasingly on underwater attack and thus ran the greater risk of mistaking neutral for British ships and of drowing neutral crews and thus embroiling Germany with other Great Powers." (source Churchill World crisis. p.724-725)
Heheh, more ad hominem because you can't refute Churchill's argument.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22448495 - 10/29/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He intentionally hatched a plan to cause the Germans to sink Neutral ships. Innocent people died as a result, and the United States was dragged into a war that the public did not support.
In my book, that makes him a cold, calculating, asshole.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22448508 - 10/29/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: He intentionally hatched a plan to cause the Germans to sink Neutral ships. Innocent people died as a result, and the United States was dragged into a war that the public did not support.
In my book, that makes him a cold, calculating, asshole. 
LOL every time you ad-hom, you waste everyone's time.
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ballsalsa said: what party do you think liberals vote for most often?
I've voted both ways. I tended towards more conservative candidates when i was younger, and i've moved left a bit as i've gotten older
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