|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: qman] 1
#22414871 - 10/21/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
qman said:
Quote:
Stonehenge said: Burg, you won the illegal voting aliens argument. The libs always fall apart and go straight to personal attacks when they know they lost. No matter what the law says they will cheat anyway. Why should they get licenses? Why should they get anything?
They shouldn't get anything other than deportation. Drivers licenses so they can drive back to their homelands, they can also bring their anchor babies with them.
More proof liberalism is a mental disease, claims to care about middle class, then imports 11-30 million illegals to take thier jobs, herp a derp
|
The Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 1 hour, 6 minutes
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22414880 - 10/21/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Liberals aren't importing illegals anymore than they're giving crack to minorities or abortions to teenagers.
These things are reality, the only thing we can do is have a sensible approach that won't make things worse.
--------------------
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22414900 - 10/21/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Ecstatic said: Liberals aren't importing illegals anymore than they're giving crack to minorities or abortions to teenagers.
These things are reality, the only thing we can do is have a sensible approach that won't make things worse.
And how do you define "make things worse"?
Enforcing the law? gimmie a fucking break
|
qman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 5 hours, 41 minutes
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#22414962 - 10/21/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Ecstatic said: Liberals aren't importing illegals anymore than they're giving crack to minorities or abortions to teenagers.
These things are reality, the only thing we can do is have a sensible approach that won't make things worse.
Deporting people that lower the standard of living for 99.9% of US citizens isn't making "things worse".
Sanders needs to show US citizens he cares about them, not illegals and their children.
|
ballsalsa
Universally Loathed and Reviled



Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,871
Loc: Foreign Lands
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22415012 - 10/21/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Stonehenge said: Burg, you won the illegal voting aliens argument. The libs always fall apart and go straight to personal attacks when they know they lost.
Quote:
ballsalsa said:
Quote:
burgerbrain said: You "win" debates by citing relevant information. You didn't cite anything just said "look at google"..
Those studies have not been disputed, there you go again making claims that you can't back up.
As you can see, I posted the fact that illegal alien voting is a travesty and you couldn't refute it. It seems I've already convinced you. I've won the debate.
Quote:
burgerbrain said:
Quote:
ballsalsa said: can you provide any evidence for widespread voter fraud by illegals?
Use google, man.
Now that that is settled, lets move on to the disputed studies.
Quote:
MYTH: Study Shows Huge Percentages Of Undocumented Immigrants Illegally Cast Votes
Fox Host Hyped Questionable Study To Stoke Fears That "Illegals Voted Between Two And Six Percent The Last Two Elections." Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed a recent study found that "illegals voted between two and six percent over the last two elections," and said it "reveals a significant number of noncitizens casting votes alongside real citizens right here in the United States come election day." Fox guest Rachel Campos-Duffy of the Libre Initiative, a Koch-funded non-profit that targets Latino voters, speculated that non-citizen voting could have "national implications." [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 10/27/14]
FACT: Experts Have Cast Doubt On The Study's Methodology And Conclusion
Experts Raised Doubts About The Study's Methodology And Conclusion. Brown University political scientist Michael Tesler questioned the study's "methodological challenges," noting the possibility that non-citizens may have misreported their citizenship status. He pointed out that many self-reported non-citizens in 2012 reported being citizens in 2010, indicating a high rate of response error "which raises important doubts about their conclusions" Tesler also noted that a "number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about that paper's assumptions and conclusions" which seem to be "tenuous at best." [The Washington Post, Monkey Cage, 10/27/14]
The Study's Authors Outlined The Limitations Of Their Findings. In a October 24 blog post in The Washington Post, Jessie Richman and David Earnest, two authors of the study, admitted that their "extrapolation to specific state-level or district-level election outcomes is fraught with substantial uncertainty." The authors noted that the non-citizen sample they examined was "modest" and relied on self-reporting, which can create errors, and attempts to verify the accuracy of the self-reporting was imperfect and supplemented by estimates. [The Washington Post, Monkey Cage, 10/27/14]
Quote:
Stonehenge said: No matter what the law says they will cheat anyway. Why should they get licenses? Why should they get anything?
If giving them driver's licenses helps keep me from getting hit and ran by an unlicensed uninsured driver, then i'm all for it. I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face, even in the interest of "fairness"
--------------------
Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22415180 - 10/21/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
If giving them driver's licenses helps keep me from getting hit and ran by an unlicensed uninsured driver, then i'm all for it. I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face, even in the interest of "fairness"
Lol, what? The whole mantra of liberalism and socialism IS cutting off the nose to spite the face
|
The Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 1 hour, 6 minutes
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22415195 - 10/21/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
hostileuniverse said:
Quote:
The Ecstatic said: Liberals aren't importing illegals anymore than they're giving crack to minorities or abortions to teenagers.
These things are reality, the only thing we can do is have a sensible approach that won't make things worse.
And how do you define "make things worse"?
Enforcing the law? gimmie a fucking break
What's moral or cost effective isn't always what's legal.
But you know that.
--------------------
|
Stonehenge
Alt Center

Registered: 06/20/04
Posts: 14,850
Loc: S.E.
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22415254 - 10/21/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
>If giving them driver's licenses helps keep me from getting hit and ran by an unlicensed uninsured driver, then i'm all for it. I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face, even in the interest of "fairness"
So they are going to go out and get insurance if they have a license? Lol, not even a lib will believe that. And the license will stop them from doing a hit and run? Oh yes, its illegal to do that, isn't it? You seem to forget they are ILLEGAL themselves, they don't give a rats ass about laws any more than liberals care who pays the bill.
I say give them a free limo ride to some country that will take them. After they complete their prison sentences that is.
-------------------- “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835) Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755
|
Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger



Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 4 months, 22 days
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22415310 - 10/21/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Stonehenge said:
Quote:
burgerbrain said:
Quote:
Facon91Wolvrn03 said: licenses granted to undocumented immigrants under a new program in the state are "specially marked licenses, which do not entitle them to vote or board airplanes." The law was implemented "to provide licenses to immigrants so they could legally drive to work and school and to improve traffic safety by requiring them to pass the driver's license test and get insurance."
California Law Makes Clear That Only U.S. Citizens Are Eligible To Vote. According to California state law, one must be "a United States citizen" in order to be eligible to vote
Media matters is never correct. Fox news is about 100x more accurate than Mediatardmatters
Burg, you won the illegal voting aliens argument. The libs always fall apart and go straight to personal attacks when they know they lost.
So showing what the law says is a "personal attack"? And a laughing gif in response wins?
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
|
qman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 5 hours, 41 minutes
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22415317 - 10/21/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
If giving them driver's licenses helps keep me from getting hit and ran by an unlicensed uninsured driver, then i'm all for it. I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face, even in the interest of "fairness"
Why not give them free housing, food stamps, health care, education, welfare so we don't make them upset and take our stuff? Oh yeah, we already do that, how's that line of reasoning been working out?
Edited by qman (10/21/15 07:34 PM)
|
ballsalsa
Universally Loathed and Reviled



Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,871
Loc: Foreign Lands
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22415341 - 10/21/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
hostileuniverse said:
Lol, what? The whole mantra of liberalism and socialism IS cutting off the nose to spite the face
i'm afraid not. you must be thinking of the "rule of law" hardliners that brought us such gems as "three strikes" and "the war on drugs". Now we have the highest prison population of any country in the world. Sure, the "criminals" are in jail, but at what price?
--------------------
Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here
|
ballsalsa
Universally Loathed and Reviled



Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,871
Loc: Foreign Lands
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: qman]
#22415347 - 10/21/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
qman said:
Quote:
If giving them driver's licenses helps keep me from getting hit and ran by an unlicensed uninsured driver, then i'm all for it. I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face, even in the interest of "fairness"
Why not give them free housing, food stamps, health care, education, welfare so we don't make them upset and take our stuff? Oh yeah, we already do that, how's that line of reasoning been working out?
You don't see a difference between encouraging illegals to at least pass a driving test, and giving them free housing etc.?
--------------------
Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here
|
qman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 5 hours, 41 minutes
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22415412 - 10/21/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ballsalsa said:
Quote:
qman said:
Quote:
If giving them driver's licenses helps keep me from getting hit and ran by an unlicensed uninsured driver, then i'm all for it. I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face, even in the interest of "fairness"
Why not give them free housing, food stamps, health care, education, welfare so we don't make them upset and take our stuff? Oh yeah, we already do that, how's that line of reasoning been working out?
You don't see a difference between encouraging illegals to at least pass a driving test, and giving them free housing etc.?
Rewarding an illegal who broke the law is wrong, it doesn't matter if it's free health care or the privilege to obtain a drivers license.
Do you think that if we denied them free access to health care, education, welfare, and drivers licenses that they might just leave on their own, instead of forcing us to deport them?
A drivers license is for a permanent resident, not for some illegal who should be headed home in short order.
They are going to be eligible in my state for a drivers license, I can tell you they passed that law WITHOUT the input of my States voters, people are not happy with this outcome and it's no surprise Trump is winning thus far in the election cycle.
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22415419 - 10/21/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ballsalsa said:
Quote:
qman said:
Quote:
If giving them driver's licenses helps keep me from getting hit and ran by an unlicensed uninsured driver, then i'm all for it. I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face, even in the interest of "fairness"
Why not give them free housing, food stamps, health care, education, welfare so we don't make them upset and take our stuff? Oh yeah, we already do that, how's that line of reasoning been working out?
You don't see a difference between encouraging illegals to at least pass a driving test, and giving them free housing etc.?
Nope, the libs only see giving anyone les fortunate our welfare state, the only fair thing to do, no matter what the cost
|
ballsalsa
Universally Loathed and Reviled



Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,871
Loc: Foreign Lands
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: qman]
#22415478 - 10/21/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
questions of right and wrong are interesting to me. It reminds me of driver's ed. Back then, my driver's ed teacher told us about being "dead right". That was his term for doing the right thing at the wrong time and ending up dead.
Example: The light turns green. You can see that a bad driver is going to run the red, but you go anyway because you have the green, and therefore the right of way. You get T-boned, and die. Congratulations, you were right, but it doesn't matter because you are dead.
Everything isn't black and white. sometimes its better to forego "fairness" for everyone's benefit. Wisdom is the ability to know when to bend the rules.
Which reminds me of an interesting lecture i heard the other day. You can check it out if you would like. (i know, nobody ever takes the 20 min to watch these things, but i figured i would offer)
--------------------
Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here
Edited by ballsalsa (10/21/15 08:09 PM)
|
burgerbrain
Freedom Lover



Registered: 09/18/15
Posts: 962
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22417365 - 10/22/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
burgerbrain said:
Quote:
ballsalsa said: can you provide any evidence for widespread voter fraud by illegals?
Use google, man.
"A poll by John McLaughlin confirms again we may have a significant problem with noncitizens participating illegally in our elections. Based on a sample survey of 800 Hispanics in 2013, McLaughlin found that of foreign-born respondents who were registered voters, 13 percent admitted they were not United States citizens.
In our 2012 book on voter fraud, John Fund and I noted numerous cases of noncitizen registration and voting all over the country. Only a month ago, the Board of Immigration Appeals of the Executive Office for Immigration Review at the Justice Department held that a Peruvian citizen who illegally registered and voted in the 2006 congressional election could be deported for violating federal law. The only reason she was caught is because she applied for naturalization in 2007 and admitted in the INS interview that she had voted in an American election.
In 2014, a study released by three professors at Old Dominion University and George Mason University, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, estimated 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election"
Hehe, ballsalsa, I bet you have some skin in the game on this voting issue. It's sad that you're wrong about illegals voting, and really pathetic how you libs want to destroy the country from within using illegal aliens.
|
burgerbrain
Freedom Lover



Registered: 09/18/15
Posts: 962
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22417402 - 10/22/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The Myth of Scandinavian Socialism
|
ballsalsa
Universally Loathed and Reviled



Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,871
Loc: Foreign Lands
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22417406 - 10/22/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
burgerbrain said: Hehe, ballsalsa, I bet you have some skin in the game on this voting issue. It's sad that you're wrong about illegals voting, and really pathetic how you libs want to destroy the country from within using illegal aliens.
What is pathetic is your inability to comprehend. You call me a "liberal" and you think i'm gung-ho for illegal aliens, but that's just not the case. If we were talking about illegals diluting the labor market, your views and mine would probably have some significant overlap. I didn't ask you for evidence of widespread voter fraud because i love illegal aliens so much, I asked because i wanted to see if there was any. (it seems there really isn't much, and what there is, is just extrapolations from tiny sample sizes)
--------------------
Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here
|
burgerbrain
Freedom Lover



Registered: 09/18/15
Posts: 962
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22417424 - 10/22/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ballsalsa said:
Quote:
burgerbrain said: Hehe, ballsalsa, I bet you have some skin in the game on this voting issue. It's sad that you're wrong about illegals voting, and really pathetic how you libs want to destroy the country from within using illegal aliens.
What is pathetic is your inability to comprehend. You call me a "liberal" and you think i'm gung-ho for illegal aliens, but that's just not the case. If we were talking about illegals diluting the labor market, your views and mine would probably have some significant overlap. I didn't ask you for evidence of widespread voter fraud because i love illegal aliens so much, I asked because i wanted to see if there was any. (it seems there really isn't much, and what there is, is just extrapolations from tiny sample sizes)
LOL to see if there was any? You're posting quotes trying to refute the fact that illegal aliens are voting. LOL Hilarious. Yes illegal aliens are voting and they are voting democrat. You are gung-ho for illegal aliens.
|
ballsalsa
Universally Loathed and Reviled



Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,871
Loc: Foreign Lands
|
Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22417452 - 10/22/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
burgerbrain said:
Quote:
ballsalsa said:
Quote:
burgerbrain said: Hehe, ballsalsa, I bet you have some skin in the game on this voting issue. It's sad that you're wrong about illegals voting, and really pathetic how you libs want to destroy the country from within using illegal aliens.
What is pathetic is your inability to comprehend. You call me a "liberal" and you think i'm gung-ho for illegal aliens, but that's just not the case. If we were talking about illegals diluting the labor market, your views and mine would probably have some significant overlap. I didn't ask you for evidence of widespread voter fraud because i love illegal aliens so much, I asked because i wanted to see if there was any. (it seems there really isn't much, and what there is, is just extrapolations from tiny sample sizes)
LOL to see if there was any? You're posting quotes trying to refute the fact that illegal aliens are voting. LOL Hilarious. Yes illegal aliens are voting and they are voting democrat. You are gung-ho for illegal aliens.
But i thought there wasn't any dispute...
Anyway, i don't know where you live, but i live in the Los Angeles area. This place is crawling with illegals. I quit my trade and went back to school, because the labor market is so saturated with illegals. I'm just not willing to bust my ass in a race to the bottom. Maybe that gives you some perspective about my views. I don't have problems with blaming illegals for the problems they cause, i just don't want to waste my time debating problems that they don't cause. However, if the myth that illegals are out voting in droves, causes the citizens of the US to get up off the couch and go vote in higher numbers, it could potentially be a good thing.
--------------------
Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here
|
|