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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22394242 - 10/17/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders supports allowing some of the nation's undocumented immigrants to obtain health-care coverage under the Affordable Care Act, he told Democratic lawmakers on Thursday.
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Aides later said that Sanders believes that in certain cases, undocumented immigrants should be able to purchase health insurance through the exchanges set up under Obamacare, using their own money.
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The senator has not advocated allowing the undocumented immigrants to receive federal subsidies, his aides said.
What is hard about this? It's laid out in black and white guys.
I'm not sure if the both of you are just being intentionally obtuse or what...
BS has not said he is against illegals receiving subsidies, subsidies are part of obamacare, therefore, is it not reasonable to assume he is for it?
and just how, once making them eligible for it, would he differentiate? remember now, the federal govt isn't supposed to be privy to our private medical info, including insurance, so just how is the magical bernie sanders gonna stop them from receiving subsidies???
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22394248 - 10/17/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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how is that a flip-flop? He apparently wants illegals to be able to buy insurance on the ACA exchanges with their own money(not subsidies). Its a great idea too, because it will add young people to the roles which should drive down costs for everyone in theory. Additionally, If any of them actually do sign up, thats one less illegal alien getting prenatal care at the ER. Which i assume, as a conservative, you would like to see.
So, lets recap. Allowing illegals to purchase insurance on the ACA exchanges will either a. change nothing because none of them actually sign up or b. lower the societal cost of healthcare by encouraging illegals to purchase insurance rather than simply fill out a false name on their billing information at the ER.
Whats the issue?
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22394259 - 10/17/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: how is that a flip-flop? He apparently wants illegals to be able to buy insurance on the ACA exchanges with their own money(not subsidies). Its a great idea too, because it will add young people to the roles which should drive down costs for everyone in theory. Additionally, If any of them actually do sign up, thats one less illegal alien getting prenatal care at the ER. Which i assume, as a conservative, you would like to see.
So, lets recap. Allowing illegals to purchase insurance on the ACA exchanges will either a. change nothing because none of them actually sign up or b. lower the societal cost of healthcare by encouraging illegals to purchase insurance rather than simply fill out a false name on their billing information at the ER.
Whats the issue?
This is essentially Bernie's position. He said I think on the debate something like we're already paying for their medical care.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22394271 - 10/17/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: how is that a flip-flop? He apparently wants illegals to be able to buy insurance on the ACA exchanges with their own money(not subsidies). Its a great idea too, because it will add young people to the roles which should drive down costs for everyone in theory. Additionally, If any of them actually do sign up, thats one less illegal alien getting prenatal care at the ER. Which i assume, as a conservative, you would like to see.
So, lets recap. Allowing illegals to purchase insurance on the ACA exchanges will either a. change nothing because none of them actually sign up or b. lower the societal cost of healthcare by encouraging illegals to purchase insurance rather than simply fill out a false name on their billing information at the ER.
Whats the issue?
This is essentially Bernie's position. He said I think on the debate something like we're already paying for their medical care.
winner winner chicken dinner!
thats exactly what we are opposed to, more of the same, an unsecured border with illegals taking advantage of our welfare system...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22394277 - 10/17/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: how is that a flip-flop? He apparently wants illegals to be able to buy insurance on the ACA exchanges with their own money(not subsidies). Its a great idea too, because it will add young people to the roles which should drive down costs for everyone in theory. Additionally, If any of them actually do sign up, thats one less illegal alien getting prenatal care at the ER. Which i assume, as a conservative, you would like to see.
So, lets recap. Allowing illegals to purchase insurance on the ACA exchanges will either a. change nothing because none of them actually sign up or b. lower the societal cost of healthcare by encouraging illegals to purchase insurance rather than simply fill out a false name on their billing information at the ER.
Whats the issue?
So according to liberals: "Obamacare websites are where you bring your own money to buy health insurance, no help from the government"
"Obamacare doesn't run on subsidies", lol
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22394282 - 10/17/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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whether they do it with obamacare subsidies, or visits to the ER, we cannot sustain this way
remember now, norway and denmarck both have very strict immigration policies, if thats truly what you strive for, you should really support Trump over Sanders...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22394283 - 10/17/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: how is that a flip-flop? He apparently wants illegals to be able to buy insurance on the ACA exchanges with their own money(not subsidies). Its a great idea too, because it will add young people to the roles which should drive down costs for everyone in theory. Additionally, If any of them actually do sign up, thats one less illegal alien getting prenatal care at the ER. Which i assume, as a conservative, you would like to see.
So, lets recap. Allowing illegals to purchase insurance on the ACA exchanges will either a. change nothing because none of them actually sign up or b. lower the societal cost of healthcare by encouraging illegals to purchase insurance rather than simply fill out a false name on their billing information at the ER.
Whats the issue?
So according to liberals: "Obamacare websites are where you bring your own money to buy health insurance, no help from the government"
"Obamacare doesn't run on subsidies", lol
lol, right, their ignorance is astounding, or they are merely being obtuse, no one can possibly be this dumb...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22394290 - 10/17/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders supports allowing some of the nation's undocumented immigrants to obtain health-care coverage under the Affordable Care Act, he told Democratic lawmakers on Thursday.
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Aides later said that Sanders believes that in certain cases, undocumented immigrants should be able to purchase health insurance through the exchanges set up under Obamacare, using their own money.
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The senator has not advocated allowing the undocumented immigrants to receive federal subsidies, his aides said.
What is hard about this? It's laid out in black and white guys.
I'm not sure if the both of you are just being intentionally obtuse or what...
BS has not said he is against illegals receiving subsidies, subsidies are part of obamacare, therefore, is it not reasonable to assume he is for it?
It IS unreasonable, because YES, he fucking did say it. Just because you can use subsidies and obamacare in the same sentence doesn't mean it's reasonable to make an assumption about them that contradicts what's already been said.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22394293 - 10/17/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: how is that a flip-flop? He apparently wants illegals to be able to buy insurance on the ACA exchanges with their own money(not subsidies). Its a great idea too, because it will add young people to the roles which should drive down costs for everyone in theory. Additionally, If any of them actually do sign up, thats one less illegal alien getting prenatal care at the ER. Which i assume, as a conservative, you would like to see.
So, lets recap. Allowing illegals to purchase insurance on the ACA exchanges will either a. change nothing because none of them actually sign up or b. lower the societal cost of healthcare by encouraging illegals to purchase insurance rather than simply fill out a false name on their billing information at the ER.
Whats the issue?
So according to liberals: "Obamacare websites are where you bring your own money to buy health insurance, no help from the government"
"Obamacare doesn't run on subsidies", lol
lol, right, their ignorance is astounding, or they are merely being obtuse, no one can possibly be this dumb...
They're attempting to redefine Obamacare as "just a marketplace for private insurance" which is very dumb and very simplistic. We're spending billions on Obamacare projects- now Bernie wants illegals to be able to take advantage
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22394298 - 10/17/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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US citizens are eligible for subsidies, yes. Illegal aliens are not. it's pretty simple bro. seriously, i know you have it in you.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22394305 - 10/17/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Statement:
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Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders supports allowing some of the nation's undocumented immigrants to obtain health-care coverage under the Affordable Care Act, he told Democratic lawmakers on Thursday.
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Aides later said that Sanders believes that in certain cases, undocumented immigrants should be able to purchase health insurance through the exchanges set up under Obamacare, using their own money.
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The senator has not advocated allowing the undocumented immigrants to receive federal subsidies, his aides said.
What is hard about this? It's laid out in black and white guys.
I'm not sure if the both of you are just being intentionally obtuse or what...
BS has not said he is against illegals receiving subsidies, subsidies are part of obamacare, therefore, is it not reasonable to assume he is for it?
It IS unreasonable, because YES, he fucking did say it. Just because you can use subsidies and obamacare in the same sentence doesn't mean it's reasonable to make an assumption about them that contradicts what's already been said.
where? when? can you quote where BS said it? no, you can't, just some unknown aides, that sir, is BS
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22394306 - 10/17/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: how is that a flip-flop? He apparently wants illegals to be able to buy insurance on the ACA exchanges with their own money(not subsidies). Its a great idea too, because it will add young people to the roles which should drive down costs for everyone in theory. Additionally, If any of them actually do sign up, thats one less illegal alien getting prenatal care at the ER. Which i assume, as a conservative, you would like to see.
So, lets recap. Allowing illegals to purchase insurance on the ACA exchanges will either a. change nothing because none of them actually sign up or b. lower the societal cost of healthcare by encouraging illegals to purchase insurance rather than simply fill out a false name on their billing information at the ER.
Whats the issue?
So according to liberals: "Obamacare websites are where you bring your own money to buy health insurance, no help from the government"
"Obamacare doesn't run on subsidies", lol
How are you still not getting this? Seriously do you have a learning disability?
No one is saying there aren't people who receive subsidies, and some of those people do so through obamacare.
We're saying Bernie doesn't support illegals getting those subsidies because he has come out and said it.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22394320 - 10/17/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: US citizens are eligible for subsidies, yes. Illegal aliens are not. it's pretty simple bro. seriously, i know you have it in you.
If an illegal signs up on the Obamacare exchange, the illegal is using federal subsidies.
Bernie WANTS to have illegals using Obamacare
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22394329 - 10/17/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: US citizens are eligible for subsidies, yes. Illegal aliens are not. it's pretty simple bro. seriously, i know you have it in you.
If an illegal signs up on the Obamacare exchange, the illegal is using federal subsidies.
Bernie WANTS to have illegals using Obamacare

the only way we get proven right, is if BS wins the election, and then, all this won't even matter anyway, we are all gonna get fucked...
I know throwing these posts back in the face of liberal idiots certainly isn't gonna make me feel any better...
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22394331 - 10/17/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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you people are fucking hopeless.
I'm going to go smoke a blunt and watch college football.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22394348 - 10/17/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: you people are fucking hopeless.
I'm going to go smoke a blunt and watch college football.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22394359 - 10/17/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, the ACA is kinda crappy. Obama and the Dems sold us all out to the insurance companies when they had majorities in both houses and they could have given us single payer.
Bernie wouldn't do that
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/30/sanders-advocates-for-single-payer-health-care-system-on-medicare-anniversary/
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Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders highlighted his support for a single-payer health-care system — a position that separates him from his rivals for the Democratic nomination — during a Thursday rally on Capitol Hill celebrating the 50th anniversary of Medicare.
Sanders (I-Vt.) said he would introduce legislation “in the very near future” that would make health care a right, a goal he touts on the campaign trail and one that he has fought for unsuccessfully in Congress in the past.
“The time has come to say we need to expand Medicare to cover every man, woman and child as a single-payer national health-care program,” Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, said at the rally, which was organized by National Nurses United and attended by members of an array of other labor unions.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22394365 - 10/17/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: how is that a flip-flop? He apparently wants illegals to be able to buy insurance on the ACA exchanges with their own money(not subsidies). Its a great idea too, because it will add young people to the roles which should drive down costs for everyone in theory. Additionally, If any of them actually do sign up, thats one less illegal alien getting prenatal care at the ER. Which i assume, as a conservative, you would like to see.
So, lets recap. Allowing illegals to purchase insurance on the ACA exchanges will either a. change nothing because none of them actually sign up or b. lower the societal cost of healthcare by encouraging illegals to purchase insurance rather than simply fill out a false name on their billing information at the ER.
Whats the issue?
This is essentially Bernie's position. He said I think on the debate something like we're already paying for their medical care.
winner winner chicken dinner!
thats exactly what we are opposed to, more of the same, an unsecured border with illegals taking advantage of our welfare system...
They're already taking advantage of our medical system. Bernie isn't 'advocating' that we should take care of them but rather stating that we already do. He's proposing an economic solution that will save us money.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22394475 - 10/17/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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>US citizens are eligible for subsidies, yes. Illegal aliens are not.
Illegals get drivers licenses now in cali. Whats to stop them from getting subsidies? What law stops them and is it enforced?
>Yeah, the ACA is kinda crappy. Obama and the Dems sold us all out to the insurance companies when they had majorities in both houses and they could have given us single payer.
No kidding. Obumble and the dems sold us down the river and Bernie and the dems will do it again. I'm slowly losing enthusiasm for bern-out after learning he wants open borders and keeping illegals plus putting them on obumblecare. He is a poor second or third choice, the hold your nose candidate if all others are worse.
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Re: Remember when Bernie said the USA should be more like Norway? [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#22394571 - 10/17/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Illegals get drivers licenses now in cali. Whats to stop them from getting subsidies? What law stops them and is it enforced?
drivers licenses? and guess what? california just enacted a law that automatically registers you to vote when... wait for it... keep waiting... you get your drivers license! that state is fucked
and we all know they WILL be eligible for subsidies, the lefties just wanna keep saying they won't to get the moderates to vote for Bernie, and once he's in, TOO LATE, just like with O'Bumble...
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