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KingMutley
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Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe)
#22345612 - 10/07/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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About two weeks ago I had my first real trip from 4.2g of Liberty Caps that I had picked that day, the trip was epic and very deep and spiritual. The days picking was fresh in my mind and I felt like I connected with nature through the trip. It seems to have helped me with some of my mental issues and I've been less agree since. yay. About 3 nights later I tried to take 13g of Mimosa Hostilis (auhuasca type) and with 3g of Syrian Rue 30 minute before hand. I held the Rue down fine but the Mimosa came back up within a minute so it was a failed trip and a shit night. Then maybe two or three days later I tried again hoping to get a good experience and took 3g of Syrian Rue again and the rest of my shrooms from the previous hunt, 2.3g I think maybe a bit more. It was horrible! A bad trip I suppose you might say. I had a really rough night and didn't enter the "realm" I did last time, I just felt really uncomfortable and at points like I was going to die for the night plus my dogs annoyed me and last time they where a real help....
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: KingMutley] 2
#22345768 - 10/07/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That stuff happens....I have learned to ALWAYS pay attention to set and setting before tripping. This includes some NEVERS....like never trip when I am tired,sick, am in a shitty mood, have responsibilities that I can't get away from....or being around people I don't particularly care for.
I don't take them lightly and still get kicked in the ass some times.lol
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: KingMutley]
#22345780 - 10/07/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KingMutley said: About two weeks ago I had my first real trip from 4.2g of Liberty Caps that I had picked that day, the trip was epic and very deep and spiritual. The days picking was fresh in my mind and I felt like I connected with nature through the trip. It seems to have helped me with some of my mental issues and I've been less agree since. yay. About 3 nights later I tried to take 13g of Mimosa Hostilis (auhuasca type) and with 3g of Syrian Rue 30 minute before hand. I held the Rue down fine but the Mimosa came back up within a minute so it was a failed trip and a shit night. Then maybe two or three days later I tried again hoping to get a good experience and took 3g of Syrian Rue again and the rest of my shrooms from the previous hunt, 2.3g I think maybe a bit more. It was horrible! A bad trip I suppose you might say. I had a really rough night and didn't enter the "realm" I did last time, I just felt really uncomfortable and at points like I was going to die for the night plus my dogs annoyed me and last time they where a real help....
What is it that you're asking here? If you should take more libs again?
My opinion is you should really take it easy with these drugs, they are very powerful as you've experienced but if used too frequently there is without a doubt consequences. It takes around 1 week for tolerance to dissipate and most recommend a minimum of another week to integrate the experience. I am of the opinion that once a month is even a bit too frequent but everyone is different.
My advice is to remember the good time you had, be grateful it wasn't bad, and stop trying to chase that high, work on integrating the thoughts you had while tripping into your daily life.
Also I haven't heard of anyone consuming root bark itself, I imagine it was terrible, no wonder you threw it up
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: TheHulk69]
#22345860 - 10/07/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KingMutley said: About two weeks ago I had my first real trip from 4.2g of Liberty Caps that I had picked that day, the trip was epic and very deep and spiritual. The days picking was fresh in my mind and I felt like I connected with nature through the trip. It seems to have helped me with some of my mental issues and I've been less agree since. yay. About 3 nights later I tried to take 13g of Mimosa Hostilis (auhuasca type) and with 3g of Syrian Rue 30 minute before hand. I held the Rue down fine but the Mimosa came back up within a minute so it was a failed trip and a shit night. Then maybe two or three days later I tried again hoping to get a good experience and took 3g of Syrian Rue again and the rest of my shrooms from the previous hunt, 2.3g I think maybe a bit more. It was horrible! A bad trip I suppose you might say. I had a really rough night and didn't enter the "realm" I did last time, I just felt really uncomfortable and at points like I was going to die for the night plus my dogs annoyed me and last time they where a real help....
What is it that you're asking here? If you should take more libs again?
My opinion is you should really take it easy with these drugs, they are very powerful as you've experienced but if used too frequently there is without a doubt consequences. It takes around 1 week for tolerance to dissipate and most recommend a minimum of another week to integrate the experience. I am of the opinion that once a month is even a bit too frequent but everyone is different.
My advice is to remember the good time you had, be grateful it wasn't bad, and stop trying to chase that high, work on integrating the thoughts you had while tripping into your daily life.
Also I haven't heard of anyone consuming root bark itself, I imagine it was terrible, no wonder you threw it up
I suppose I'm asking whether going for another big dose less than two weeks since the last one is likely to be a waste of shrooms and picking effort, or if you feel your ready there's no reason less than two weeks is any different to a month or so. I'm not worried anything bad will happen just that I'll have a rubbish night and waste the shrooms. I want to try again because I need more time in that space to understand stuff. I expect your right about taking it easy and I certainly don't plan on taking these drugs every week but it's like the last one ended before I learned everything. After another good trip I'd leave it for a good long while and save the shrooms for when I need to refresh my memory
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: KingMutley]
#22345946 - 10/07/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you give it two weeks you should be fine on the same dose. Personally I don't see much point in Syrian Rye and MAOI's - just take more shrooms if you want a higher dose - easier to regulate too, and much less likely to vomit.
I agree with not taking them more than monthly, but if you need a follow up then a one off isn't too bad. Most advice says one week is enough to lose the tolerance of the last trip, but you'll probably integrate it better and ensure a more meaningful trip if you want 2
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: KingMutley]
#22346180 - 10/07/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: I don't take them lightly and still get kicked in the ass some times.lol
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KingMutley said: I'm not worried anything bad will happen just that I'll have a rubbish night and waste the shrooms.
KingMutley, it's good to be at least a little worried. Shrooms are not toys. Bad, scary things can and do happen, even to the most lucky. Never take them lightly.
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: KingMutley]
#22346766 - 10/07/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KingMutley said: I held the Rue down fine but the Mimosa came back up within a minute so it was a failed trip and a shit night.
I would be willing to be it wasn't the mimosa, but the rue that make you vomit. Throwing up from rue isn't instant in my experience. It takes awhile.
As for the rue/mushroom combo.. Well. Yeah. Rue can be like that. As far as I've experienced, especially when combined with mushrooms it takes a trip in a very dark area. On it's own, I've found it to just be kinda dreamy and almost a sedative, but I really don't like it with mushrooms. I'm pretty sure that Terence McKenna even strongly advises against the combo of rue and mushrooms for this very reason.
But as TheHulk69 suggests, take it easy. Give your body and psyche some time to recoup from the experiences, good and bad. You'll more than likely appreciate and take more from the experiences this way no matter if they're "good" or "bad." (In the end, they're almost always "good" experiences given enough time to properly process and reflect upon them.
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: KingMutley]
#22347333 - 10/07/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KingMutley said: I suppose I'm asking whether going for another big dose less than two weeks since the last one is likely to be a waste of shrooms and picking effort, or if you feel your ready there's no reason less than two weeks is any different to a month or so. I'm not worried anything bad will happen just that I'll have a rubbish night and waste the shrooms. I want to try again because I need more time in that space to understand stuff. I expect your right about taking it easy and I certainly don't plan on taking these drugs every week but it's like the last one ended before I learned everything. After another good trip I'd leave it for a good long while and save the shrooms for when I need to refresh my memory
Definitely go for it. Because you had the great trip you already know the shrooms are on your side - that's really all you need going in (besides the usual good set and setting). 
Don't bother with the rue. Just pick more. Some of my all time best trips came after I said to myself, "Oh fuck it I'm just gonna do them..."
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22348156 - 10/07/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advise so far guys, I chose not to take them last night in the end as I felt I was tired and really don't want to waste the shrooms, they are more precious than gold to me right now...when I did te rue mimosa combo it really was virtually as soon as the mimosa went in I puked and I had held the rue down fine for 30 mins. I don't think it was the taste of the mimosa or quantity ( maybe 50ml) it just happened. Maybe it was the Rue then that sent it all sideways last time and not having enough shrooms to send me to that place. With what's written above I'm certainly not going to mix them again! I'll have to think when is right to do them again ideally after another picking session so the natural influences of the country can work its way into the trip
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: KingMutley]
#22348585 - 10/08/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would just wait two weeks and eat a good dose. Rue always throws me into a weird headspace
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22348757 - 10/08/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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4.2g libs would probably have me not wanting to trip again any time soon.
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: teenagehippie]
#22349892 - 10/08/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right sod the Rue then, felt horrid mushrooms are more my thing I reckon. As for not wanting to do another dose so soon after 4.2g....well as that 4.2g trip peaked I knew my time in the realm was nearing an end so I attempted to do another 3g but couldn't stand or see for long enough to get the shrooms in the grinder so I'm definitely ready (partially why I tried the Mimosa days after) considering going for 4.4-5g tonight..I NEED to finish my lessons
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: KingMutley]
#22350747 - 10/08/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KingMutley said: I NEED to finish my lessons
Patience my young padawan.
The shrooms might not teach you exactly what you want to hear. Respecting the shrooms means not rushing them.
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: Hanz]
#22351071 - 10/08/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Respect is what you take into your trip and how you treat the mushrooms. Patience is overrated IME although it does decrease tolerance.
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Re: Am I pushing my luck? Going for a heroic lib journey (maybe) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22353254 - 10/09/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I chose not to take them again last night, like I said I really don't want to waste them incase I can't get many more (farmer had a little moan at me last time) I think last time maybe I tried to push it to hard in one direction trying to get a repeat of the previous trip, it feels it was easier when I didn't ow what to expect. I plan on investing in a pressure cooker and some jam jars to start growing my own soon so maybe I shouldn't worry so much
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