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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin * 5
    #22345076 - 10/07/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For the first time in many years, a researcher with a license to possess psilocybin mushrooms is going to be doing a potency study.  Samples are needed!

They should be dried at low temperature (under 40 degrees C) and be somewhat recent, within the last year.

Everything is needed - cubensis, mexicana, zapotecorum, pelliculosa, medullosa, subaeruginosa, azurescens, Gymnopilus, Pluteus, Pholiotina - what ever you can find, please send.

Small amounts are needed, but larger collections are better because he can test several caps from different mushrooms and see how the potency varies.

I am quite sure he is not going to eat your collections.  He stayed at my house last year and he doesn't use drugs.  Very cool guy & excellent scientist.



Please send collections to:


Jan Borovicka
Institute of Geology, v.v.i.
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
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CZ-16500 Prague 6,
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Please label them well so he knows what he is receiving.  It's likely he will do microscopy & DNA analysis on them as well, so this is a really good opportunity.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22345091 - 10/07/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

YES!

So psyched for this.

Cant wait for the research results.

:popcorn:

EDIT: i see that this guy needs samples, from us. I have a wild ps cyan patch, i will send some samples if i get some this season :thumbup:


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22345110 - 10/07/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Very cool and exciting study...


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: B_ caapi]
    #22345113 - 10/07/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cool! I really hope I can find something this autumn. :smile:


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22345145 - 10/07/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have some dried P. pelliculosa from December or January, is that too old? I also have have some P. smithii and other active Gymnopilus- is he just testing Psilocybes for right now?

I'm excited to see the results!
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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22345154 - 10/07/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have some old 2014 Cyans too.

I think that over the course of a year, there could be various levels of degration. So it might skew the results when compared to more recently-picked mushrooms :shrug:


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #22345205 - 10/07/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I have some dried P. pelliculosa from December or January, is that too old? I also have have some P. smithii and other active Gymnopilus- is he just testing Psilocybes for right now?






I do not think it is too old.  Any mushroom you suspect of being active is a good one to send.

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I think that over the course of a year, there could be various levels of degration. So it might skew the results when compared to more recently-picked mushrooms :shrug:





Write down the date of collection and let the scientists figure it out.  Older collections can give valuable info about how the alkaloids degrade, so if you have something 5 or 10 years old, send that too.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22345754 - 10/07/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You might want to sticky this post on the top of MH&I. Do you think we will get into any trouble sending these samples internationally, I don't have a license to possess psilocybin mushrooms.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22345762 - 10/07/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Woohoo, i was hoping he would start soon!
Im in.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Joust]
    #22347792 - 10/07/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Rock on, I'll kick in.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: ghiajake]
    #22347863 - 10/07/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i have some 2014 cyanofriscosa.

but yeah sending samples for study to another country, is that legal?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Silky_Johnson]
    #22348269 - 10/08/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I am monitoring this thread.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: jakefake]
    #22348275 - 10/08/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How will he test the potency without ingesting said mushroom samples?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Xero1]
    #22348571 - 10/08/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i didnยดt know Jan Borovicka is still active in this field :shocked:

He was the first one who disvovered Psilocybe arcana - my most beloved woodloving species. i am still craving for this one, so if someone has a culture or print, PM me :super:

i hope i can help soon with cultivated species (not cubensis)...


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22348598 - 10/08/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hi Alan,

Other than Genus, Species, Date and Country collected from is there any other info he'd like on the label? Looking forward to the results; do you know where he is publishing?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: 61n63]
    #22348671 - 10/08/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Posting to stay updated with this would love to see his findings


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: aykaye47]
    #22348714 - 10/08/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

great stuff alan!

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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22348857 - 10/08/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Very exciting. Jan could end up with mountains of mushrooms! I'll see what I can find.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Bagels]
    #22348999 - 10/08/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just in time for the fall ovoid season. Would love to see proof that the fall ones are more potent than the spring ones.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: koods]
    #22349052 - 10/08/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Just in time for the fall ovoid season. Would love to see proof that the fall ones are more potent than the spring ones.



My sentiments exactly!


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22349097 - 10/08/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Got some Norwegian semilanceata laying around... if that is interesting. :bliss:


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Anglerfish]
    #22349322 - 10/08/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Great initiative to do this.

I could probably send him:

*Psilocybe medullosa
*Pluteus salicinus
*Conocybe smithii
*Panaeolus cinctulus


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22350507 - 10/08/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cool news Alan. :sun:

Do you know if substrate correlation will be included in this study?


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    #22350693 - 10/08/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: stevo]
    #22350781 - 10/08/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just put your local police station as the return address, drop it in a blue box. If there's problems it'll go somewhere safe.

Usps is constitutionally protected. So unless they have reasons to look in your mail right after you drop it off and a warrant, you'll be fine.

Usps is used to send drugs conveniently inside the states cause it's protected. Ups and Fed ex is not so they have the right to fuck with your shit.

Your customs tag should read botanical specimen. Nothing suspect about that.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: N05482]
    #22350844 - 10/08/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

awesome news!

I might be able to send off some pans if they fruit.

how long will he be collecting specimens?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22351079 - 10/08/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alan, is he only testing dried, or does he have a local source he could compare with fresh fruits?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: ghiajake]
    #22352046 - 10/08/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alan, are these just potent cyans? Perhaps I could send a few if that was the case.







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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22352109 - 10/08/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Bruising had always been a debatable way to determine potency. Would be nice to get an answer.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: N05482]
    #22353033 - 10/09/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How is the data to be correlated? What environmental, geo-locational and mycological characterists will be recorded with the potency?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: elprawn]
    #22354084 - 10/09/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

very cool


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: guyute22]
    #22354809 - 10/09/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome!  I'm really excited to participate!

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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #22355188 - 10/09/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

heck of a surprising post here hahaha!!!!

is HE BIO ESSEYing them hahah what fun.....
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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: bluelou]
    #22357857 - 10/10/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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This is gonna be fcking awesome!! :hellyeah:


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    #22358012 - 10/10/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: moricz]
    #22367730 - 10/12/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:jah:

I've a week, 5 and 15 year old specimen of azure. The 15 year old was wild OR coast obtained and the others cultivated.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Viridis420]
    #22368374 - 10/12/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You have a 15 year old azure?

Dude.

What are you planning on doing with that ancient shroom?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22368436 - 10/12/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22368468 - 10/12/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan, are these just potent cyans? Perhaps I could send a few if that was the case.










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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: koods]
    #22368502 - 10/12/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The mail should be fine for all those concerned.

I have mailed specimens to the University of Veracruz (Guzman) in the past with now issues, I always included a small note in each package stating samples were for scientific purposes only.  I wouldn't worry about mushrooms though, it's not like you're mailing large quantities.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Silky_Johnson]
    #22368734 - 10/12/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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i have some 2014 cyanofriscosa.

but yeah sending samples for study to another country, is that legal?




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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Blazer420]
    #22369803 - 10/12/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Kinda sketchy sending in the mail but here's the 15 year old azures I horded. Has anybody sent anything yet?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: N05482]
    #22370388 - 10/12/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bluelou said:
is HE BIO ESSEYing them hahah what fun.....






No, he does not eat active species.

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Alan, are these just potent cyans? Perhaps I could send a few if that was the case.





Looks like cyans.  You should send them.

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Alan, is he only testing dried, or does he have a local source he could compare with fresh fruits?




Just dried probably.  Would be interesting to check fresh ones too, but the water weight would totally screw up the percentages.

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how long will he be collecting specimens?




A few months more at least.

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Your customs tag should read botanical specimen. Nothing suspect about that.




I wouldn't write botanical specimen, a lot of plants are not allowed by customs.  I would write something more like dried mushrooms for scientific study, or scientific specimen for study.


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How will he test the potency without ingesting said mushroom samples?





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chromatography%E2%80%93mass_spectrometry

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i have some 2014 cyanofriscosa.

but yeah sending samples for study to another country, is that legal?





Yes, assuming you have a license to possess them in your country.

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Do you think we will get into any trouble sending these samples internationally, I don't have a license to possess psilocybin mushrooms.




No, I don't think you'll get into any trouble for mailing mushrooms for science.  Never heard of anyone getting in trouble for this.  Postal inspectors are used to finding pounds of cubensis.  If you are paranoid put a real return address on it that is not your own.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22370910 - 10/12/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So we can legally send psilocybin mushrooms to this guy through the mail?  That sounds kinda sketchy to me


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    #22371262 - 10/12/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Then don't do it.  I've sent lots of cannabis seeds in dvd cases before, may employ same tactic.


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i have some 2014 cyanofriscosa.

but yeah sending samples for study to another country, is that legal?




..... really??? lol



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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22371491 - 10/13/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan, are these just potent cyans? Perhaps I could send a few if that was the case.










I have seen this many times before in areas that were sprayed with pesticide, herbicide, etc.


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    #22371546 - 10/13/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No shit.....? Are you kidding me? What should I do? Toss the ones with speckling? :facepalm:

I donโ€™t feel like getting sick. It would surprise me if anything was sprayed though. There were weeds growing.....no flowers around. Just a normal park with wood chips.


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    #22371838 - 10/13/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:fuckinawesome:


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22373515 - 10/13/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So we can legally send psilocybin mushrooms to this guy through the mail?  That sounds kinda sketchy to me





Assuming they are legal in your area, yes.  If they are not legal in your area, I'd put a real return address on it that is not yours.  But even with a real return address the chances of getting in trouble for mailing a small scientific collection of mushrooms, even if intercepted is about 0%.




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No shit.....? Are you kidding me? What should I do? Toss the ones with speckling? :facepalm:

I donโ€™t feel like getting sick. It would surprise me if anything was sprayed though. There were weeds growing.....no flowers around. Just a normal park with wood chips.





Eating a bit of pesticide/herbicide won't make you sick.  But just to be on the safe side, mail them to Jan instead of ingesting.  : )


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22373579 - 10/13/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You truly are a gentleman and a scholar sir. I have one more thing to bother you about. I donโ€™t want to bother sending specimens that werenโ€™t properly dried. I purchased my food dehydrator and I have been drying things at about 125 - 140F for a few hours until cracker dry. How much will this affect potency? I have since changed my method to 95F for around 10 hours.


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    #22373594 - 10/13/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hard to say - perhaps you could send some dried different ways and labeled well, and then we will finally know the answer to the question of how much drying at high temps / long times affects potency.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22401324 - 10/19/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hi, does anyone know the way, how we will receive the informations from the tests.  I know it is a starting project, I want to give some ideas if you allow me :smile:


I Intend to send some cube strains from different substrates, to compare potency. And of course other shrooms to test, but I really courious about the results.

Maybe an online table, with the labels, and the sender nicknames? :smile: I hope the best.


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    #22403705 - 10/19/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hi, does anyone know the way, how we will receive the informations from the tests.  I know it is a starting project, I want to give some ideas if you allow me :smile:




It will be published in a scientific journal.  You can also email the researchers directly.  I usually speak with Jan on Facebook but he also answers email.




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I Intend to send some cube strains from different substrates, to compare potency. And of course other shrooms to test, but I really courious about the results.





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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22409990 - 10/20/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So all in all I'm going to send a couple of mushrooms from each collection- two separate P. smithii collections, two bluing Gymnopilus collections, two separate P. stuntzii collections, two P. pelliculosa collections, one Panaeolus olivaceus collection, one P. cinctulus collection, one P. azurescens and one P. cyanescens.
Also something that I thought could be P. silvatia just from shits and giggles. All are in separate bags and all are labeled. I'm kind of glad that I've held onto these things, I figured that they might be useful to someone eventually.. I just hope that they aren't intercepted by customs because I not putting my return address on the package..


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just put one that isn't yours man.

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    #22410041 - 10/20/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's a good point.. Who's address should I use?


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    #22410308 - 10/20/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That's a good point.. Who's address should I use?





Doesn't matter much, as long as it is valid.


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    #22410586 - 10/20/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I sent some specimens of copelandia bisp, cyan, cambo also azures and allenii. I put a fake but real addy and it's now sent and in route. So stoked about results:rockon:


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    #22436339 - 10/26/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan, are these just potent cyans? Perhaps I could send a few if that was the case.





I've seen this before. Hail had gotten them the night before they were found. All specimines had little blue dots just like that.


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    #22441183 - 10/27/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alan....I'm sending a fall specimen of eastern ovoids by UPS...they require a contact phone # for customs....do you know Jan's number...just im me if you don't want to put it out here.


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    #22441686 - 10/27/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How long is this study running for? I can send in some caerulipes and gym samples, but not until next summer for the caerulipes. :-( I didn't save any of the pounds of them I found. :-(


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Alan....I'm sending a fall specimen of eastern ovoids by UPS...they require a contact phone # for customs....do you know Jan's number...just im me if you don't want to put it out here.





I do not, you could email him or contact him on Facebook.


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    #22444555 - 10/28/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Great initiative to do this.

I could probably send him:

*Psilocybe medullosa
*Pluteus salicinus
*Conocybe smithii
*Panaeolus cinctulus



I have sent him these species now, along with some Psilocybe semilanceata and the other (?) Psilocybe I found a few years ago:



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    #22448539 - 10/29/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Great! You must have a lot of interesting mushrooms that you have collected through the years.


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    #22457776 - 10/31/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I would like to contribute Alan, but I live in Canada and they seem to be pretty anal about Psilocybe mushrooms here. I'm a little dubious about sending them myself through the mail. I have a few connections with some of the local university biology departments. I'm not sure if they would go for it at this point, but do you think it might be more kosher to send the specimens to Jan through a legitimate accredited academic institution?


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    #22460064 - 11/01/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just now seeing this thread. I've already picked too much. Now I have a use for them, thank you.


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    #22468983 - 11/02/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I would like to contribute Alan, but I live in Canada and they seem to be pretty anal about Psilocybe mushrooms here. I'm a little dubious about sending them myself through the mail. I have a few connections with some of the local university biology departments. I'm not sure if they would go for it at this point, but do you think it might be more kosher to send the specimens to Jan through a legitimate accredited academic institution?






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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22490127 - 11/07/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ohman, I wish people would be so kind to help me on my potency analysis work too.
I wrote to Jan and he forwarded my request for co-operation to the person who will be doing the analysis part. And I hope that in combination we can achieve even better and accurate and diverse results. :smile:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=22452548&page=0&vc=1#22452548 <- My plea for help.


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Would this study be interested in some tampanensis fruits? I've been wondering their potency is and have an abundance


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22507245 - 11/10/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just out of curiosity I want to confirm that this study will include DNA sequencing?  It would be really awesome if you analyzed some DNA sequenced Panaeolina Foenisecii and test it for traces of psilocybin and psilocin... Though that study that indicated trace amounts of hallucinogenic compounds was thought to be in error to my knowledge it has never been discredited with scientific accuracy, only presumption.  It would be nice to end the debate.  Though, I realize there are plenty who believe that there is no debate... I still find people who insist that Gymnopilus Junonius is not active...ever thanks to what is probably Gymnopilus Ventricosis, which indicates to me that some people still are not satisfied with the status quo assumptions of these species. It seems that way, anyway.  I wonder how many non-active Gym. Juns. are actually a non-active look alike...
    Additionally, is this project being completed by the IMA or some other means?  I'm sorry if that's been covered.  I may have missed something. Thanks.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22508626 - 11/11/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Just out of curiosity I want to confirm that this study will include DNA sequencing?





Good question, I don't know!  Ask Jan.

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It would be really awesome if you analyzed some DNA sequenced Panaeolina Foenisecii and test it for traces of psilocybin and psilocin... Though that study that indicated trace amounts of hallucinogenic compounds was thought to be in error to my knowledge it has never been discredited with scientific accuracy, only presumption.  It would be nice to end the debate




That is a good idea, you should send some in.


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Though, I realize there are plenty who believe that there is no debate... I still find people who insist that Gymnopilus Junonius is not active...ever thanks to what is probably Gymnopilus Ventricosis, which indicates to me that some people still are not satisfied with the status quo assumptions of these species. It seems that way, anyway.  I wonder how many non-active Gym. Juns. are actually a non-active look alike...




Probably all of them.


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Additionally, is this project being completed by the IMA or some other means?  I'm sorry if that's been covered.  I may have missed something. Thanks.





I am not sure what the IMA is.  I don't know a whole lot about it.  Jan asked me to get some samples.  It's not his project really, it is another researcher in the area that is doing the work.  I trust him that it is a legit project though.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22510437 - 11/11/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Cool stuff.  Thanks Mr. Rockefeller. The IMA is the Illinois Mycological Association.  There's a video on youtube that they posted with you (I think, or someone of the same name?) speaking about fungi of Mexico.  I just guessed they might have something to do with, or more accurately hoped cuz I'm an Illinois person. I actually have no idea who Jan is... I'm a noob. lol.  I'll read this post and I think the details of that were posted. Thanks :-)


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22513009 - 11/12/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The study is conducted in Prague, Czech Republic... so no, IMA is probably not involved at all. :wink:


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    #22517605 - 11/13/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lol. Thanks again Alan Rockefeller.  I must have missed the part about the
Czech Republic...  Wishing I hadn't tossed the pounds of Pan Foes I found... I need to learn how to use the quote tool also.  Sorry about that.


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Just sent out some prime ps. ovoideocystidiata specimens...vac. sealed and dated.:wink:


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    #24699072 - 10/10/17 09:21 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I just spoke with Jan and he said they would be running samples until December.

If you have any collections that you would like to get tested, the time to send them is now.

It would be interesting to see more Pluteus, Gymnopilus, Pholiotina and uncommon Psilocybe species.

The address to send them to is:

Jan Borovicka, Institute of Geology CAS
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    #24699295 - 10/10/17 10:38 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure he has a Million P.Semilanceata samples by now? Wish I had seen this post originally but I have Sterile Libs I've always wondered about potency comparison with... as well as Eastern Nova Scotia Libs divided by site foraged ranging from 2011-2016 (soon 20017 :biggrin:) are you aware if they would be of any interest? if not what's the best means of contact for him... email I assume?


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Liberty King] * 1
    #24699328 - 10/10/17 10:55 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I talk to him on Facebook, but email is good too.


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    #24699388 - 10/10/17 11:26 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Alan: Thank's for the update, I have been wondering for the past year what happened.

Liberty King: I have sent him P. semilanceata, and I guess others have as well. I think science have enough data on potency regarding this species. It would be more interesting if we could get more of the exotic finds analyzed. I know that this study will give us results of several species previously untested which is exciting, but there could still be some more out there. To everyone reading this, don't hesitate if you got something rare!


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    #24699389 - 10/10/17 11:29 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the hard work out there!  :popcorn:


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    #24699857 - 10/10/17 03:50 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Wish i'd known about this.

i would have tried to get specimens of Psilocybe subaeruginosa from a few locations in far south Tasmania to add to the mix.

or even Tasmanian Psilocybe semilanceata

next time.


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    #24700829 - 10/10/17 09:16 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Alan, do they take into account active compound deterioration via travel, mail, drying out etc...?


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    #24700918 - 10/10/17 09:47 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Next time I find some gyms ill see if I can send something in.


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    #24700931 - 10/10/17 09:49 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan, do they take into account active compound deterioration via travel, mail, drying out etc...?





I do not know.    If I was them I would try testing the same sample at the beginning of the study and after a couple years sitting at room temp to get an idea how the numbers change over time.


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    #24700932 - 10/10/17 09:49 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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    #24701248 - 10/11/17 02:53 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

It'd be interesting to know by how much the 'psychoactives' deteriorate with aging in the field. Is a knarled old flyblown and weatherworn lib as potent as a photo-perfect young specimen from the same troop.

Many of the lib examples in the UK threads I wouldn't pick, same as I would leave behind mushrooms in a supermarket that have obvious signs of deteriation.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: knarkkorven]
    #24704632 - 10/12/17 11:51 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

knarkkorven said:
Alan: Thank's for the update, I have been wondering for the past year what happened.

Liberty King: I have sent him P. semilanceata, and I guess others have as well. I think science have enough data on potency regarding this species. It would be more interesting if we could get more of the exotic finds analyzed. I know that this study will give us results of several species previously untested which is exciting, but there could still be some more out there. To everyone reading this, don't hesitate if you got something rare!





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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Liberty King]
    #24705933 - 10/12/17 09:49 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

any idea when the results will be released? i will be curious to see how this turns out.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #24705941 - 10/12/17 09:57 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I was just saying Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World is so out of date I wish there was something newer. Exciting


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #24706053 - 10/12/17 11:00 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
I just spoke with Jan and he said they would be running samples until December.

If you have any collections that you would like to get tested, the time to send them is now.

It would be interesting to see more Pluteus, Gymnopilus, Pholiotina and uncommon Psilocybe species.

The address to send them to is:

Jan Borovicka, Institute of Geology CAS
Rozvojova 269
CZ-165 00 Prague 6
Czech Republic


Make sure they are well labeled so the photos and other collection data that go with the samples can be recorded.



Would he be interested in California Stuntzii and these?

The second ones location was recently woodchipped again which is good in the long run, poor for photogenic opportunity this year.


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    #24706269 - 10/13/17 02:57 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Quote:

Origyn said:
Alan, do they take into account active compound deterioration via travel, mail, drying out etc...?





I do not know.    If I was them I would try testing the same sample at the beginning of the study and after a couple years sitting at room temp to get an idea how the numbers change over time.




Seems to be a serious constraint on the analysis, unknown preparation and handling would immediately devalue the result IMO unless there were extremely clear findings.  Any variation in results could be attributed to the fruit or the preparation e.g. unknown drying time and temperature.

I would be interested to learn what effect the drying temperature has on the active chemicals, if any.  Personal experience is that the 40C max recommendation has no credibility.  I have accidentally dried them at 60C after a device malfunctioned.  Curious, I sampled them in a measured (weighed) dose and there was no noticeable reduction in the potency.  But then that is an unscientific report from an occasional drug user, WTF would they know.

Marry that with the fact that boiling (100C) has no noticeable effect either and I started to believe that this 40C drying temp is just another urban legend, passed down through the decades.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 2
    #28077736 - 12/01/22 10:03 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Extensive Collection of Psychotropic Mushrooms with Determination of Their Tryptamine Alkaloids
by Klรกra Gotvaldovรก, Jan Boroviฤka, Kateล™ina Hรกjkovรก, Petra Cihlรกล™ovรก, Alan Rockefeller and Martin Kuchaล™

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/23/22/14068

The long-awaited study is finally here!
This must be it, right? Alan, can you confirm?

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...Furthermore, mushroom collections were provided in response to requests
on social media by anonymous donors from Australia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, France,
Germany, Italy, Mexico, Sweden, and the USA.




Very interesting content! :popcorn:


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    #28077765 - 12/01/22 10:26 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Very interesting, very interesting.  It appears I need a bohemica spore sample... for microscopy... :awehigh:


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    #28077839 - 12/01/22 11:07 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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    #28077885 - 12/01/22 11:38 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Lol. Government web crawlers be advised. These prints are for โ€œmicroscopyโ€ only. No prints were harmed in the making of this message.


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    #28077918 - 12/01/22 11:57 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

So I found the zip with the supplementary data and could confirm that my samples was included.



My Pholiotina is described in the quote below. Unfortunatly as P. cyanopus. DNA is pointing more to P. smithii.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14895064/

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A very interesting and rare species in our dataset is Pholiotina cyanopus, for which we
analyzed three fruiting bodies from a single fungarium collection. P. cyanopus contained
0.821โ€“1.360 mg/g BA, 0.247โ€“0.565 mg/g NB, less than or equal to 0.062 mg/g PS, and less
than or equal to 0.859 mg/g PSB. Our results were very similar to the previous study by
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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: knarkkorven]
    #28078105 - 12/01/22 01:26 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Did you collect cultures and work with them at all?  Neat little fungi.


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    #28078252 - 12/01/22 02:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

No, I haven't performed any cultivation the last 15 years except spreading Psilocybe semilanceata spore water in good habitats (with success).


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    #28078883 - 12/01/22 10:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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The long-awaited study is finally here!
This must be it, right? Alan, can you confirm?




Yes that's it!

Also a new study is being done.  Samples of species not represented here are needed.  The authors are discussing the best way to receive samples - perhaps they will be sent directly to the forensic laboratory.  I should have an address for people to send samples in the next few days.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #28078897 - 12/01/22 10:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

:popcorn:


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    #28080160 - 12/02/22 06:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

This is fascinating. Thank you for sharing.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: leschampignons]
    #28080410 - 12/02/22 08:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Wait, P. fimetaria INACTIVE??


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    #28080438 - 12/02/22 09:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Seems as though they postulate there may be two fimentariaโ€ฆ one inactive and one active.


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    #28081378 - 12/03/22 01:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Wait, P. fimetaria INACTIVE??





Only two collections were sampled, not enough to conclude that the species is inactive. More research is needed (and is going on)


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    #28081412 - 12/03/22 02:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'm going to be honest, this study does not have a large enough sample group for most of the species sampled to be considered valid in any way.  It's great in concept but most of the results cannot be taken in good faith.


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    #28081473 - 12/03/22 02:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

โ€œOur results for all tryptamines in P. subaeruginosa were very low (the highest of 0.33 mg/g PS) and did not correspond much to those found in other species of the P. cyanescens complex. We speculate that this species may produce much higher tryptamine concentrations and additional analyses are therefore desired.โ€
This surprised me, but I wonder too, if there is just so much diversity within that species.


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    #28082099 - 12/03/22 08:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

It would be curious to see what sample size is necessary to give an adequate overall overview of the particular species. Like subs have so many different phenotypes, and I wonder if thereโ€™s potency differences between phenos, or if thereโ€™s potency differences based on soil type, topography, location, substrate, etc. I wonder if thereโ€™s variation within cyanescens for different states on the west coast, or places in Europe, etc? Hmmm ๐Ÿค”


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Dandurn777] * 1
    #28082475 - 12/04/22 03:18 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yes P.subaeruginosa potency varies greatly in NSW. Pine forest subs are weakest. Mountain subs in eucalypt forests are more potent. Coastal subs from the lowlands fruit later and are nearly always more psychedelic than mountain subs.

I was picking mutant Psilocybe cyanescens in Sydney 1981-88. No sub I have ever picked came close for potency. Been picking P.cyanescens last two seasons in parkland. Same goes for them. There's just no comparison. To me they are like the LSD trip of the mushroom world. Once tried never the same.

Sure I'm bio assaying them. I have a fair bit of experience with Australian species. P.papuana is right up there in potency. However dried it's not the same. Quite boring and lacking the distinctive visuals of fresh specimens.

I was very pleased to read this paper. Hope it leads to bigger and better things.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Heyowana]
    #28082765 - 12/04/22 09:57 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

The fimetaria was not bluing according to the authors.

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Although one of the P. fimetaria collections was analyzed only a few months after
sampling (PS-65), we were unable to detect any of the analyzed tryptamines. This collection
(PRM 951396) was found in the Czech Republic and was primarily determined according
to the morphological characters. The phylogenetic analysis shows its affinity to P. pelliculosa
(Figure 3), a psychotropic species known from the USA [29]. One of the ITS rDNA sequences
Int. J. Mol. Sci. 2022, 23, 14068 8 of 16
of P. pelliculosa was even 100% similar to that of P. fimetaria, but their EF1-a gene sequences
are apparently distinct (the sequences HF912341 and LR760712 show a match of only
94%). This would suggest that the ITS rDNA molecular marker is not always a reliable
character for species delimitation in Psilocybe (which is also indicated in the Psilocybe
cyanescens complex). According to the literature [70,71], Psilocybe fimetaria turns blue when
bruised, however, the bluing reaction was not observed in the Czech collection. Because
no other sequences of P. fimetaria are available in public databases, we were unable to
discuss the taxonomic identity of our collection. The absence of tryptamine alkaloids in
our samples could be explained, for example, by (i) low initial concentration and following
degradation before analysis, and (ii) an existence of two Psilocybe species corresponding
to the morphological concept of P. fimetaria, one psychotropic and one non-psychotropic,
as not only the bluing reaction but also PSB was reported in P. fimetaria [33]. Therefore,
a thorough analysis and multi-gene sequencing of additional collections of P. fimetaria
are needed.




And RenegadeMycologist pointed out in this thread
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27603287#27603287
that this specific collection did not fit in well with the other fimetara gene sequences.

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MN901955 submitted by Jan Boroviฤka I don't know what it is, might be mislabeled liniformans.




But is perhaps something else since it's not active.


However it seems like a lot of the samples are very low on the psychoactive tryptamines.
I. aeruginascens was 10-100 times lower than other studies, P. subaeruginosa and P. caerulescens also very low.
All of mine as well. I dried my mushrooms and stored them in the freezer just until sending them to Prague, and they were kept dark in 20C until being analyzed. I never noticed a low potency. The cinctulus for example I find is almost as potent as P. cubensis.
I don't know if there is some kind of analytic errors, the methods described seems good...


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: DH42]
    #28082855 - 12/04/22 10:51 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Moria841 said:
Wait, P. fimetaria INACTIVE??





Only two collections were sampled, not enough to conclude that the species is inactive. More research is needed (and is going on)




It is actually beyond me that this is called an "extensive collection". 4 specimens of P. fimetaria, 18 specimens of P. semilanceata etc.

Several species included in the study are likely fruiting in the vast millions world wide each year.
All honours to the people doing the study, but my impression is that it falls short with regards to the amount of samples.


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    #28082939 - 12/04/22 11:38 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yes. I was hoping for a lot more people to contribute. This forum have all the enthusiasts from all over the world who are able to collect a lot of different species, including the more rare ones. Where else but on the Shroomery would a majority of all active species be collected by various people during a year + a few really interesting species a year that might not have a name yet, or haven't been been tested in quantitative studies before?

On the other hand, it also needs the people who conduct the study to be just as good to reach out for samples, updating about progress etc. Keeping the interest alive. The samples was analyzed during 2016-2019. From 2017 this thread was dead and even when it was created it quickly disappeared among all the thousands of "found this mushroom, is it magic?" threads...

It could have been done better.

But after 7 years of waiting I'm still happy to see the result.


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    #28082968 - 12/04/22 11:50 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

No this is very cool.  Itโ€™s a good start.  Iโ€™d be happy to contribute to future studies.


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    #28083357 - 12/04/22 02:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Yes. I was hoping for a lot more people to contribute. This forum have all the enthusiasts from all over the world who are able to collect a lot of different species, including the more rare ones. Where else but on the Shroomery would a majority of all active species be collected by various people during a year + a few really interesting species a year that might not have a name yet, or haven't been been tested in quantitative studies before?

On the other hand, it also needs the people who conduct the study to be just as good to reach out for samples, updating about progress etc. Keeping the interest alive. The samples was analyzed during 2016-2019. From 2017 this thread was dead and even when it was created it quickly disappeared among all the thousands of "found this mushroom, is it magic?" threads...

It could have been done better.

But after 7 years of waiting I'm still happy to see the result.




I guess it comes down to time and resources. Mycological studies are rarely funded unless there is some larger
program organised or eventually commercial or monetary interests. Exploration of psychedelic fungi is not (yet)
a priority, so it boils down to volunteer work, and little to no economical repair for those who put in the effort
and long hours. Maybe a funding campaign could work.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Anglerfish]
    #28083364 - 12/04/22 02:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

It quite possibly could, I've seen some absolutely ridiculous funding campaigns bring in some absurd amounts of money.


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Re: Psilocybin mushroom potency study is about to begin [Re: Anglerfish]
    #28083433 - 12/04/22 03:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Wait, P. fimetaria INACTIVE??





Only two collections were sampled, not enough to conclude that the species is inactive. More research is needed (and is going on)




It is actually beyond me that this is called an "extensive collection". 4 specimens of P. fimetaria, 18 specimens of P. semilanceata etc.

Several species included in the study are likely fruiting in the vast millions world wide each year.
All honours to the people doing the study, but my impression is that it falls short with regards to the amount of samples.





I agree...in my eyes, two samples of P. fimetaria surely aren't enough to justify including the species in the study insofar as a meaningful conclusion can be drawn from any data extrapolated from them.

However, I understand that Jan may have had more samples of the species sent to him since concluding the physical analysis for the study.

Not to worry...research of P. fimetaria exclusively (and peripherally P. liniformans) is ongoing, independent of the authors of said paper.


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