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what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate?
    #22343694 - 10/07/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate and are they worth cultivating?


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343715 - 10/07/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Most skill is probably PE varietys and APE variety since the have alot of mutants.
They are really potent despite this.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22343735 - 10/07/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Most skill is probably PE varietys and APE variety since the have alot of mutants.
They are really potent despite this.





no mr. non-Psilocybin  mushrooms.  i am looking for a challenge.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343741 - 10/07/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

sheit well indoors id say pans not really hard just is different than cubes. Outdoors depends on where you live really.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22343856 - 10/07/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

cordyceps are probably tough.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22343858 - 10/07/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

which mushrooms are the ones that grow out of flies?


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: stevo]
    #22344217 - 10/07/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yea Morels are challenging. That's what I'd do if I was looking for a difficult choice.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22344509 - 10/07/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

morels are really difficult.  I dare say the only people that have done it, patent it and don't post pictures up on here :tongue:


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
    #22344712 - 10/07/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

this thread seems to be a noob looking to bite off way more than he'll ever be able to chew. Shame it wasn't more :lol:'worthy.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22344924 - 10/07/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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this thread seems to be a noob looking to bite off way more than he'll ever be able to chew. Shame it wasn't more :lol:'worthy.





no you are wrong.  it was a question.:shrug:


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22359852 - 10/10/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Indoor woodlovers like azur's or ps cyans are the wholly grail as far as I'm concerned but there are lots of species that are difficult or imposible that fruit indoors. Morels, chicken of the woods, giant puff ball, amanita to name a few.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22364302 - 10/11/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How do cyans and pans compare to cube flushes


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: new2doinstuff] * 1
    #22364431 - 10/11/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alot less most of the time but way more potent


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22365088 - 10/11/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

is it true or untrue that the nutrient content of the substrate can substantially increase potency(of say cubes/azurs/pyans)?


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22366051 - 10/11/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

clone a potent ass mushroom and get some potent ass mushrooms when using multi spore it could vary .


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22366073 - 10/11/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i like cubes.  have not ingested anything but.  i like drinking a couple cups of cube tea mixed with a of bit sugar.  better than swallowing or chewing chunks in my opinion.  just personal preference.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22366088 - 10/11/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Honey and crunchy peanut butter . :shroomer:


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22366117 - 10/11/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Honey and crunchy peanut butter . :shroomer:




i must disagree...tea!


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22366143 - 10/11/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Honey and crunchy peanut butter . :shroomer:




i must disagree...tea!



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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22366164 - 10/11/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

speaking of mushroom tea, i need to brew some and go on a vacation.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22378914 - 10/14/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Most of the wood-lovers seem relatively easy to grow, and I've heard that what they require is plenty of TIME thus patience. So if you've done a cube then wood is by no means out of reach.


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In a tub that may very well become a wood-lover canopy

With cold rains falling and the reason for the season. Got WOOD?


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: Arathu]
    #22385898 - 10/15/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Easy question -- truffles. I dare you. AFAIK nobody has done it.

IIRC, the spores are transmitted underground 20 feet or so by mole feces.

That is why they use specially bred pigs to find them.

Morels are up there however. They are a wood lover, like burned wood especially.

I think alder wood works best, wood chips.

There is also a patent which uses sclerotia to fruit; the link is on mushroompeople dot com.

CO2 levels need to be tightly controlled as well; I'd have to refer back to the patent.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
    #22388590 - 10/16/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Many people have successfully grown truffles.

I would say Sparassis, Laetiporus, Piptoporus, Fomes, Fomitopsis and Laricifomes are among the more difficult fungi to cultivate, especially indoors.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: inski]
    #22388981 - 10/16/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is that indoor cultivation?

I am aware that it has been done in outdoor patches.

also, re: Piptoporus Betulinus

It's a saprophyte... Is there any reason you need something besides spawn, dead birch and cold?


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
    #22390565 - 10/16/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Is that indoor cultivation?



No, not indoors, that would be very difficult due to the mycorrhizal nature of truffles, even in outdoor trufferies it is hit and miss but there has been quite a bit of success in Australia and New Zealand.

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also, re: Piptoporus Betulinus

It's a saprophyte... Is there any reason you need something besides spawn, dead birch and cold?



Not really, outdoor cultivation is most likely to succeed, indoors it is supposed to be extremely difficult if not almost impossible.
Tradd Cotter mentions in his book that it may take between one to three years from inoculation to fruiting depending on temperatures and inoculation rates.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: inski]
    #22391070 - 10/16/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The parasitic ones, for sure.

Looking all these up, it seems there has been some success with the cauliflower mushrooms recently. That would be an interesting one to try and cultivate.



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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: Napkin]
    #22443506 - 10/28/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My God, I thought you were that kid from Kindergarten Cop for a minute :V


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
    #22444302 - 10/28/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The parasitic ones, for sure.

Looking all these up, it seems there has been some success with the cauliflower mushrooms recently. That would be an interesting one to try and cultivate.



Thanks for all this!




they have been cultivated for years.  do you have a copy of growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms?  perhaps you have heard of it?  There is an entire chapter.  though to be fair they cultivate the european species, not the one you posted.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
    #22444934 - 10/28/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For YEARS? Wait, is that a long time? :V

IIRC, the Stamets book (no I have no clue what it is) was sold around the turn of the century.

From what I've read, they are increasingly being cultivated here but there are patents on the procedure and not very much demand.

Besides, that doesn't really interest me if they are easy to grow. I was under the impression S. crispa was a saprophyte and pathogen and S. brevipes was only the latter, but now I can't seem to find anything on the latter. Pathogens are notoriously hard to grow in any organism. In this case you may just need to grow the plant though and plop mycelium on it. It doesn't seem like that is the case if someone went out and patented the process.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
    #22445523 - 10/28/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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For YEARS? Wait, is that a long time? :V

IIRC, the Stamets book (no I have no clue what it is) was sold around the turn of the century.

From what I've read, they are increasingly being cultivated here but there are patents on the procedure and not very much demand.

Besides, that doesn't really interest me if they are easy to grow. I was under the impression S. crispa was a saprophyte and pathogen and S. brevipes was only the latter, but now I can't seem to find anything on the latter. Pathogens are notoriously hard to grow in any organism. In this case you may just need to grow the plant though and plop mycelium on it. It doesn't seem like that is the case if someone went out and patented the process.




yeah who wants to make money growing a commodity when you could do all of the work in cultivating and introducing a new species to market?

FWIW I have never seen cultivated cauliflower mushrooms listed on any specialty mushroom vendors' availability sheets.  I used to stay on top of prices when I grew diversified fungus.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
    #22445714 - 10/28/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

uhh... lol, this isn't my job

i'm pretty sure i make more as an engineer in silicone valley than i would growing and selling mushrooms

i mean, are you even for real :V


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
    #22446734 - 10/28/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

please, tell me more of this silicone valley...


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
    #22446922 - 10/28/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

there's this place there

google

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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
    #22447164 - 10/28/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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there's this place there

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i guess my sarcasm didn't come thru.  silicon, silicon, silcon

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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
    #22447213 - 10/28/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

haha... oic

yeah, i wouldn't have gotten that one >.<

probably not too far off if you look up plastic surgery by geographical region :lol:


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
    #22447494 - 10/29/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Try these "Termitomyces titanicus" just because I want to see.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22470780 - 11/03/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The most difficult, but still fun and do-able mushrooms to cultivate, are in my opinion Psilocybin Azurescens aka "Flying Saucers".

They are the most potent but the must slow to bear any fruit, not only will they take longer to fill out your jars, but they will require you to drop the temperature for fruiting which means you'll have to get crafty with a mini fridge or something, or figure out a way to vent the outside air just right if you live somewhere where it's about to get cold for the winter. They are also a wood loving species rather than a dung loving one, so you'll have to experiment with new substrate mixes as well, especially if you want to pull of a couple trays of them.

Myself I have cultivated jars of these but had to throw them out because I did not have time to modify a mini-fridge or something to get them to fruit, and it was not worth the time investment at the time. I would do it again though, and probably will in the near future.

Just be careful with them, they are literally the most potent psilocybin species on Earth, and will gladly blast you out of said planet's orbit if you let them. You only need around half the dosage that you would need of cubes to achieve the same effect.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: spleef]
    #22485904 - 11/06/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

has anyone had luck with Shaggy Manes? I hear they can be challenging.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #22487858 - 11/06/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Are shaggy mane good for anything. They grow by the thousands in my yard every year.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22490358 - 11/07/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yea but they are hard to cultivate because they need certain bacteria to help them grow.


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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22528063 - 11/15/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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cordyceps are probably tough.



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Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22528373 - 11/15/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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cordyceps are probably tough.



Live bugs as substrate :/ haha that'd be a trip



meh like a lot of things it seems easy if you have a wild clone.  with the militaris anyway.  no bugs needed.


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