|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
enlightened seed
Utopia is a state of mind



Registered: 05/04/07
Posts: 2,117
Loc: amongst civilization
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: mrbart4444]
#22366164 - 10/11/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
speaking of mushroom tea, i need to brew some and go on a vacation.
|
Arathu
Stranger than some I suppose!



Registered: 10/17/09
Posts: 7
Loc: Somewhere in PA
Last seen: 6 years, 9 months
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
#22378914 - 10/14/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Most of the wood-lovers seem relatively easy to grow, and I've heard that what they require is plenty of TIME thus patience. So if you've done a cube then wood is by no means out of reach.
Crazy cyan pins
At a the friend of a friends farm
 In a tub that may very well become a wood-lover canopy
With cold rains falling and the reason for the season. Got WOOD?
-------------------- Have you seen what the "leaders" of the world have done? And they call me strange!
|
micro
bunbun has a gungun



Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 7,532
Loc: Brick City
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: Arathu]
#22385898 - 10/15/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Easy question -- truffles. I dare you. AFAIK nobody has done it.
IIRC, the spores are transmitted underground 20 feet or so by mole feces.
That is why they use specially bred pigs to find them.
Morels are up there however. They are a wood lover, like burned wood especially.
I think alder wood works best, wood chips.
There is also a patent which uses sclerotia to fruit; the link is on mushroompeople dot com.
CO2 levels need to be tightly controlled as well; I'd have to refer back to the patent.
-------------------- Any research paper or book for free (Avatar is Maxxy, a character by Mizzyam, RIP)
Edited by micro (10/15/15 10:04 PM)
|
inski
Cortinariologist



Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 5,720
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
#22388590 - 10/16/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Many people have successfully grown truffles.
I would say Sparassis, Laetiporus, Piptoporus, Fomes, Fomitopsis and Laricifomes are among the more difficult fungi to cultivate, especially indoors.
|
micro
bunbun has a gungun



Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 7,532
Loc: Brick City
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: inski]
#22388981 - 10/16/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Is that indoor cultivation?
I am aware that it has been done in outdoor patches.
also, re: Piptoporus Betulinus
It's a saprophyte... Is there any reason you need something besides spawn, dead birch and cold?
-------------------- Any research paper or book for free (Avatar is Maxxy, a character by Mizzyam, RIP)
Edited by micro (10/16/15 04:18 PM)
|
inski
Cortinariologist



Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 5,720
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
#22390565 - 10/16/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
micro said: Is that indoor cultivation?
No, not indoors, that would be very difficult due to the mycorrhizal nature of truffles, even in outdoor trufferies it is hit and miss but there has been quite a bit of success in Australia and New Zealand.
Quote:
micro said: also, re: Piptoporus Betulinus
It's a saprophyte... Is there any reason you need something besides spawn, dead birch and cold?
Not really, outdoor cultivation is most likely to succeed, indoors it is supposed to be extremely difficult if not almost impossible. Tradd Cotter mentions in his book that it may take between one to three years from inoculation to fruiting depending on temperatures and inoculation rates.
|
micro
bunbun has a gungun



Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 7,532
Loc: Brick City
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: inski]
#22391070 - 10/16/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The parasitic ones, for sure.
Looking all these up, it seems there has been some success with the cauliflower mushrooms recently. That would be an interesting one to try and cultivate.

Thanks for all this!
-------------------- Any research paper or book for free (Avatar is Maxxy, a character by Mizzyam, RIP)
Edited by micro (10/17/15 05:09 AM)
|
Napkin
Myco Doctor



Registered: 10/28/15
Posts: 105
Loc: I'll be there
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? *DELETED* [Re: micro]
#22443301 - 10/28/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Post deleted by NapkinReason for deletion: .
|
micro
bunbun has a gungun



Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 7,532
Loc: Brick City
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: Napkin]
#22443506 - 10/28/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
My God, I thought you were that kid from Kindergarten Cop for a minute :V
-------------------- Any research paper or book for free (Avatar is Maxxy, a character by Mizzyam, RIP)
|
drake89
Mushroom Magnate



Registered: 06/26/11
Posts: 4,168
Loc: TN
Last seen: 4 years, 10 months
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
#22444302 - 10/28/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
micro said: The parasitic ones, for sure.
Looking all these up, it seems there has been some success with the cauliflower mushrooms recently. That would be an interesting one to try and cultivate.

Thanks for all this!
they have been cultivated for years. do you have a copy of growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms? perhaps you have heard of it? There is an entire chapter. though to be fair they cultivate the european species, not the one you posted.
|
micro
bunbun has a gungun



Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 7,532
Loc: Brick City
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
#22444934 - 10/28/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
For YEARS? Wait, is that a long time? :V
IIRC, the Stamets book (no I have no clue what it is) was sold around the turn of the century.
From what I've read, they are increasingly being cultivated here but there are patents on the procedure and not very much demand.
Besides, that doesn't really interest me if they are easy to grow. I was under the impression S. crispa was a saprophyte and pathogen and S. brevipes was only the latter, but now I can't seem to find anything on the latter. Pathogens are notoriously hard to grow in any organism. In this case you may just need to grow the plant though and plop mycelium on it. It doesn't seem like that is the case if someone went out and patented the process.
-------------------- Any research paper or book for free (Avatar is Maxxy, a character by Mizzyam, RIP)
|
drake89
Mushroom Magnate



Registered: 06/26/11
Posts: 4,168
Loc: TN
Last seen: 4 years, 10 months
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
#22445523 - 10/28/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
micro said: For YEARS? Wait, is that a long time? :V
IIRC, the Stamets book (no I have no clue what it is) was sold around the turn of the century.
From what I've read, they are increasingly being cultivated here but there are patents on the procedure and not very much demand.
Besides, that doesn't really interest me if they are easy to grow. I was under the impression S. crispa was a saprophyte and pathogen and S. brevipes was only the latter, but now I can't seem to find anything on the latter. Pathogens are notoriously hard to grow in any organism. In this case you may just need to grow the plant though and plop mycelium on it. It doesn't seem like that is the case if someone went out and patented the process.
yeah who wants to make money growing a commodity when you could do all of the work in cultivating and introducing a new species to market?
FWIW I have never seen cultivated cauliflower mushrooms listed on any specialty mushroom vendors' availability sheets. I used to stay on top of prices when I grew diversified fungus.
|
micro
bunbun has a gungun



Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 7,532
Loc: Brick City
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
#22445714 - 10/28/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
uhh... lol, this isn't my job
i'm pretty sure i make more as an engineer in silicone valley than i would growing and selling mushrooms
i mean, are you even for real :V
-------------------- Any research paper or book for free (Avatar is Maxxy, a character by Mizzyam, RIP)
|
drake89
Mushroom Magnate



Registered: 06/26/11
Posts: 4,168
Loc: TN
Last seen: 4 years, 10 months
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
#22446734 - 10/28/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
please, tell me more of this silicone valley...
|
micro
bunbun has a gungun



Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 7,532
Loc: Brick City
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
#22446922 - 10/28/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
there's this place there
google
learn to use it <3
-------------------- Any research paper or book for free (Avatar is Maxxy, a character by Mizzyam, RIP)
|
drake89
Mushroom Magnate



Registered: 06/26/11
Posts: 4,168
Loc: TN
Last seen: 4 years, 10 months
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
#22447164 - 10/28/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
micro said: there's this place there
google
learn to use it <3
i guess my sarcasm didn't come thru. silicon, silicon, silcon
silicone is for caulk and titties
|
micro
bunbun has a gungun



Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 7,532
Loc: Brick City
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: drake89]
#22447213 - 10/28/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
haha... oic
yeah, i wouldn't have gotten that one >.<
probably not too far off if you look up plastic surgery by geographical region
-------------------- Any research paper or book for free (Avatar is Maxxy, a character by Mizzyam, RIP)
|
Napkin
Myco Doctor



Registered: 10/28/15
Posts: 105
Loc: I'll be there
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: micro]
#22447494 - 10/29/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Try these "Termitomyces titanicus" just because I want to see.
|
spleef
Stranger
Registered: 03/06/15
Posts: 39
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: enlightened seed]
#22470780 - 11/03/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
The most difficult, but still fun and do-able mushrooms to cultivate, are in my opinion Psilocybin Azurescens aka "Flying Saucers".
They are the most potent but the must slow to bear any fruit, not only will they take longer to fill out your jars, but they will require you to drop the temperature for fruiting which means you'll have to get crafty with a mini fridge or something, or figure out a way to vent the outside air just right if you live somewhere where it's about to get cold for the winter. They are also a wood loving species rather than a dung loving one, so you'll have to experiment with new substrate mixes as well, especially if you want to pull of a couple trays of them.
Myself I have cultivated jars of these but had to throw them out because I did not have time to modify a mini-fridge or something to get them to fruit, and it was not worth the time investment at the time. I would do it again though, and probably will in the near future.
Just be careful with them, they are literally the most potent psilocybin species on Earth, and will gladly blast you out of said planet's orbit if you let them. You only need around half the dosage that you would need of cubes to achieve the same effect.
|
PsilocyBen17
Pin Pornographer


Registered: 10/20/13
Posts: 3,751
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
Re: what are the most difficult mushrooms to cultivate? [Re: spleef]
#22485904 - 11/06/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
has anyone had luck with Shaggy Manes? I hear they can be challenging.
|
|