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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Tropism]
#22343726 - 10/07/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Thinking 'outside the box' is not limited to asking such unknowable (IMO) questions. How about thinking outside the box in regards to questioning the life that society has suggested we should live?
Surely, in terms of 'making people think' a far wiser path is contemplating what is here, in front of us, right now? As Trop says:
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Tropism said: Why it happens doesn't really matter, the what where and when do.
One can always ask questions about God, spacetime, etc. But with a limited time on this planet, would it not be a more worthwhile use of this time to question how to be a better person, or be kinder to others, than to contemplate such abstract concepts?
The things of which you speak remind me of the kind of things I used to contemplate when I was 15 years old and stoned. IMO, they have little place or use.
I get grumpy really easily, then sometimes in reflection it occurs to me that I'm that grump in someone else's life. 
it happens to the best of us. try to realize, and be positive
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PPL=SHT
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: sprinkles]
#22343740 - 10/07/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol...what type of PPL=SHT ?
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#22343782 - 10/07/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say the strong but more adaptable. Evolution supports adaption to the environment.
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jaegar]
#22343795 - 10/07/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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evolution i am not to sure of. are monkeys really where humans come from? i wonder what the first last name given to mankind was?
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Start with A book on evolution. If your not a drama queen Richard Dawkins has some good releases.
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jaegar]
#22343833 - 10/07/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like books just not books of people with mental issues because i believe they are just their thoughts and or beliefs. which 99% of the time are just what they are.
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If it's not to personal what was your level of schooling?
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jaegar]
#22343845 - 10/07/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jaegar said: If it's not to personal what was your level of schooling?
there is a lot more to education than school. 10th grade. i did receive my g.e.d. though if that counts?
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jaegar]
#22343863 - 10/07/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jaegar said: If it's not to personal what was your level of schooling?
what about yourself?
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can evolution be proved? or are there just people who have put out scientific papers on the subject, to try to prove their point?
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mental disorders go way back, well ever since human beings. sometimes those rearrange peoples thoughts.
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This is not a slight but you may find it digestible. Evolution for Dummies book.
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jaegar]
#22343898 - 10/07/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jaegar said: This is not a slight but you may find it digestible. Evolution for Dummies book.
nah i have better things to do with my time.
you forgot to answer my question(s).
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: DieCommie]
#22345862 - 10/07/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Who said everything had a purpose?
who said it doesn't?
I say it doesn't. Purpose requires a purporter... The answer to your question is entirely relevant on which purporter you choose to appeal too. Your question assumes (incorrectly) that there is some inherent purpose that exists outside of want or intent.
There is no purpose of a virus.....
exactly a purporter or agent is implied by "purpose". Also a game such as chess is played on a board. Or a card game at a table by a certain number of people, for a limited time, with rules--etc. in other words also implied by 'purpose' is a limited field in which it takes place - but the universe is infinite. Also purpose depends for contrast upon it's opposite: 'randomness' which is difficult to define or prove. So on numerous logical grounds 'purpose' is not the easy answer to understanding life or the world that it might appear to be.
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: laughingdog]
#22348235 - 10/08/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmm, im not sure bad things have a purpose per se, except that exactly what they are engineered for is indeed real..and we should take the necessary precautions;
what i think is that they can be understood..and part of that understanding leads to understanding their modus operandi..and then you might call their vehicle of existence..as a type of purpose..but to know if they have a greater purpose like to do with evolution..or humanity defeating disease all together, I cant say.
Though of course its obvious that humans will likely eventually have the technology to wipe out all diseases..and maybe even bad manors, thoughts, and suffering all together.
I have a thought experiment..say that i am creating the world..and at the very first instance of time..i imagined something bad...and then i had a choice..to essentially try to not focus on it..or actually bring it out into the open..with the final goal of defeating it all together..so that with the ideal and drive..there would never be a future for something bad ever again..
but the very openness of our minds and freewill..essentially allows a concentration of bad thoughts..and focusing on negative things in general..
If i ultimately had that choice i would include the dark side immediately..knowing that it once in the far future it would never pop out of secret or hiding ever again..
So i think we are bout 76% finished this task..doesnt really matter about a thought experiment..but that we will extinguish this idea of suffering or badness in general..
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Good question, based on your assumption, which I agree with btw. Humans may discover 'uses' for microbial lifeforms that aid human agendas, but the utility of such things does not disclose their ultimate purpose[s]. The ultimate purpose of anything is known by, or is an inherent structure in, the Author of the Idea. From a Platonic philosophical or even a biblical theological perspective, the teleological (end point) purpose of any given phenomenon must remain a mystery to non-ultimate (or non-Absolute) causes - like us. We too are 'products' of an (Aristotelian) Absolute Cause. The Dependent Arisings of Buddhism suggests an interconnectivity of phenomena that is so extensive throughout space and time that the ordinary human mind could not possibly grok all of it in a moment. This would require a Buddha's Mind in that idiom. So, asking your question requires a much more expanded mind to Know the answer, and such an answer would have so many vectors of connectivity to so many other aspects of reality, that there could be no communication of an 'answer' in linear speech. There could be no prosaic statement in any normal format that we might use for simple specific inquiries.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Lol..many vectors..but they are called vectors with the understanding of a line which is pointed or slanted in a position..like being of a certain degree compared with an X=0, y=0 Cartesian plane..so maybe this is too much for the load of the philosophers in the room..but a vector may not be connected to anything except that at the beginning and end there may be a specific space that i call Minding the gap..which is that it necessarily needs nothing at all..before it connects to say the 0 point..from say an X=1 and Y=1, then drawing that line/vector..towards the points X=5 and Y=5..The deep connection from Y,X=1 to X,Y=0 Is a complete square of emptiness..and now the question is that the connection is either a negative number which symbolizes the lack, but virtual degree to which it is naturally connected which is that it has either a lack or an emptiness..but there is something so perfect about the emptiness that the point doesnt need to be at 0,0..but does indeed make a perfect connection..So we indeed see the mind the gap principle..
Same with the higher point at 5,5 which is necessarily connected to the visible point of 6,6 but has only a relation in an empty square..I think we are hinging on finding either some dark matter..or maybe some type of pure energy that only exists as empty potential..
Each of these things as complete ideas..or separate parts is indeed Called Daat in kabbalah!
The meaning of this is that from the Fall..all the way until total salvation..that each individual moment..which came from the One absolute..in each piece is call a Daat..or a Dot so to speak..that we can label anything that happens..might or maybe not would be classified as dots..but the idea that a thing exists..in perfect completion, and meaning for example..is the sorting that the mind of Daat prefers to use..
And there in from which is called the separation is a simple maneuver of sorting a thing so it is now in a correct space..and to do this with your mind brings peace..which is likely the end Goal of both separation and Daat.
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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: BrendanFlock]
#22352489 - 10/08/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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well thanks for your input on the subject as i do believe that their is a purpose for everything. whether it be positive or negative i am not sure of so it is still something i sometimes wonder of
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I figured it out..we can always adapt to our environment and change our minds to a certain extent..but the memes that exist and people keep ALWAYS lend meaning to their lives..to a certain extent..most of the people who are called Self actualized..are usually very high on religion and spirituality..It may be as easy as saying that since they believe in something higher..that the limits for what higher is compared to what is even higher..can plant a seed of infinity..and that is some very high tech equality and singality; So that the foremost needs and wants are fulfilled makes life have more meaning than if your a struggling hippy or artist for example..but even those ideals can make people happy..because they are quote true to their self..
So the meaning of life as an accepted node of logic..information or memetic..we would always find that we usually pick the ones that we can understand..and the ones that make us happy..
So i know it is subjective..that what makes us happy is the meaning of life..
But as an objective..it is usually the people who feel called to do something..and their in fulfill their role, purpose and function on Planet Earth; Pleasing each other can also give one pleasure..the fulfillment i talk about could probably be the pleasure principle..
Imagine that you get 100% meaningful and real pleasure in your life..for the rest of existence..and then you could definitely say that life has meaning..unless your an evil nihilist..Without a love interest in the world..
So i think that love is a definite key..but so is any other positive experience...expression, or emotion!
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